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A Realistic View at 2013: Part III

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    All right guys, down two to one in the WS.  Tonight is a big night and we need to bounce back.  I'm hoping Buch is ready to step up.  Go Sox!

     
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    Gutsy performance by Buch.

    Papi showing great leadership by pumping up the team.

    Drew with a big Sac Fly.

    Gomes being "the man".

    Doubie was fantastic.

    Lackey too.

    Koji, Koji, KOJI!

     

    We overcame some mistakes and sucked it up when we needed to, like we have all year long.

     

    We got the home field back, the DH back, Lester up next, and a never say die attitude.

     
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    We need to keep the ball rolling. These are 2 heavyweight teams. It sure would help to win tomorrow.

    I hope Lackey is ok with pitching today. We will need him in Boston. It looks like Doubront can be a huge help going forward. He might end up being a key reason why we win. His performance so far probably boosts his worth by $15 mil over the course of his career. He has some bonafides now.

    We need asolid left hander and so far he has been our only solid left hander!

    What a series so far! One team wins, the other one comes back. The other team wins, the first team comes back. What a series!

     
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    We need to keep the ball rolling. These are 2 heavyweight teams. It sure would help to win tomorrow.

    I hope Lackey is ok with pitching today. We will need him in Boston. It looks like Doubront can be a huge help going forward. He might end up being a key reason why we win. His performance so far probably boosts his worth by $15 mil over the course of his career. He has some bonafides now.

    We need asolid left hander and so far he has been our only solid left hander!

    What a series so far! One team wins, the other one comes back. The other team wins, the first team comes back. What a series!

    You mean beyond Lester and Breslow? (Maybe not Breslow of late.)




     
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    Great game!  I've been touting Doobie since game one and think he'll play a lot the rest of the way.  The team seemed to loosen up a bit--Papi's post game comments seemed to say he thought they were playing too tight.  Does anyone know what's wrong with Buch?  Gomes said "He gave us all he could."  Is he injured or not?  I don't really get what's happening with him.  It feels like our hitters are getting more comfortable facing their relievers, where we usually rake in a game. 

     

     
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    I'd like to have Napoli in every game but for obvious reasons he is not. I have to worry that due to his streaky nature that by the time we return to Fenway the bench time will render him near useless at the plate... or not.



    We have to do something for next year about our second best HR threat being a 1Bman. The games at NL parks kill our line-up, most notably the protection for Papi from the 5 slot. Didn't show up today, but still...

    It was nice having Youk at 1B being able to slide to 3B at NL parks back in the day.

     
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    Great game!  I've been touting Doobie since game one and think he'll play a lot the rest of the way.  The team seemed to loosen up a bit--Papi's post game comments seemed to say he thought they were playing too tight.  Does anyone know what's wrong with Buch?  Gomes said "He gave us all he could."  Is he injured or not?  I don't really get what's happening with him.  It feels like our hitters are getting more comfortable facing their relievers, where we usually rake in a game. 

     



    Papi's called huddle was perfect.

    I think Buch was sick a couple days back.

    Doubie has shown me up this year, but I did call that he needed a rest or he'd hit a wall late season. I'd love to see him hit the high conditioning routine this winter.

     
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    Here is more good news. A psuedo # 1 projection of the Boston farm by Baseball America:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/a-simple-accounting-of-farm-system-impact-potential/

    Buchholz has shoulder issues. Dead arm. Whatever you want to call it. He also looks skinny to me. He seems to have lost some weight as if he were a guest star on "Breaking Bad" or something. 

    When he was up to the plate I was thinking maybe he would drop a drag bunt down. The guy can fly!

     
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    That pitch to Gomes was a mistake pitch for sure but give the guy credit, he did hit it out.

    I've been impressed with Workman. The guy has been dealing with some high impact innings and it seems every time some of the St.Louis guys come up like Beltran, Holiday, Molina and Craig they put the wood on the ball somewhere and some of their secondary guys look like they are getting decent AB at least. They have a good lineup. Doubront has been their Achilles heel though. They do appear to have relative weakness against LH pitching. It's surprising that Breslow hasn't been effective. I wouldn't give up on him yet.

    Papi has been from another planet recently. There are men and there are boys and then there is Papi! 

    I loved that ball Bogaerts took to RF after the Gomes HR. The kid seems to have the goods. A strong case could be made to hit him after Papi. Already. Who do you think is going to hit the ball beyond Papi in this lineup right now? One would think Ellbury, Pedroia and Nava, maybe Victorino but Bogaerts appears to me to have put up the best AB. He has hit the ball harder than any of those guys recently.

    Which bodes so well for the future. He looks like a made to order #3 hitter to me. I bet he emerges quickly next year. Our next Nomar. I'm not expecting him to hit .350 like Nomar but the kid will hit with better average and pop than Drew for sure. He hasn't been that bad in the field either overall. Betweem Middlebrooks and Cechinni we probably have a solution at 3rd. We have a good chance next year as well in my opinion. Some of the young guys have stepped up ( Workman, Doubront, Bogaerts ) and this experience should help them.

    I find it fascinating that Doubront wanted to start this series. He said he didn't know how he would do relieving but seemed to imply maybe he should be starting. Maybe he was right guys. Maybe he hasn't gotten the respect he deserved after putting up better numbers than Peavy plus the Cards do appear weaker versus LH pitching. Something tells me if we go to game 7, Doubront could see a lot of action.

     
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    That pitch to Gomes was a mistake pitch for sure but give the guy credit, he did hit it out.

    I've been impressed with Workman. The guy has been dealing with some high impact innings and it seems every time some of the St.Louis guys come up like Beltran, Holiday, Molina and Craig they put the wood on the ball somewhere and some of their secondary guys look like they are getting decent AB at least. They have a good lineup. Doubront has been their Achilles heel though. They do appear to have relative weakness against LH pitching. It's surprising that Breslow hasn't been effective. I wouldn't give up on him yet.

    Papi has been from another planet recently. There are men and there are boys and then there is Papi! 

    I loved that ball Bogaerts took to RF after the Gomes HR. The kid seems to have the goods. A strong case could be made to hit him after Papi. Already. Who do you think is going to hit the ball beyond Papi in this lineup right now? One would think Ellbury, Pedroia and Nava, maybe Victorino but Bogaerts appears to me to have put up the best AB. He has hit the ball harder than any of those guys recently.

    Which bodes so well for the future. He looks like a made to order #3 hitter to me. I bet he emerges quickly next year. Our next Nomar. I'm not expecting him to hit .350 like Nomar but the kid will hit with better average and pop than Drew for sure. He hasn't been that bad in the field either overall. Betweem Middlebrooks and Cechinni we probably have a solution at 3rd. We have a good chance next year as well in my opinion. Some of the young guys have stepped up ( Workman, Doubront, Bogaerts ) and this experience should help them.

    I find it fascinating that Doubront wanted to start this series. He said he didn't know how he would do relieving but seemed to imply maybe he should be starting. Maybe he was right guys. Maybe he hasn't gotten the respect he deserved after putting up better numbers than Peavy plus the Cards do appear weaker versus LH pitching. Something tells me if we go to game 7, Doubront could see a lot of action.



    I think Buch is done for the series.

    Game5 Lester

    Game 6 Lackey

    Game 7 Peavy/Doubront/ whoever

    Let's hope we win in 6!

     
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    With the series going back to Boston soon... things look decent. Another Best of Three coming up! Go Sox!



    Back to home field advantage and the DH in 2 of the next 3 games.

    I hope Wainwright is off again tonight.

     
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    Game 6:

    1) Ellsbury CF

    2) Pedroia 2B

    3) Ortiz DH

    4) Napoli 1B

    5) Gomes LF

    6) Nava RF

    7) Bogaerts 3B

    8) Drew SS

    9) Ross C

    (If Victorino plays, I bat him 6th and flip a coin on who plays LF.)

    I like Papi 3rd and wanted him there all year long.

     
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    Nava plays left much better defence than Gomes .

    Move Bogaerts to 5th this kid is the real deal.

     
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    Sox hitting .226 this postseason.

    Can we finally all agree, it's almost all about pitching?

     
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    I hope this doesn't make me a bad fan but in all truthfulness I didn't think the RS would win tonight-- their (SL) ace on the mound after a bad start, no home field advantage, a probable loss then back to Boston with a huge fight on our hands.  Well I was completely wrong about this team  as I have often been before.  Speaking of being wrong, I didn't want the Papi signing--thought we'd pushed the envelope far enough with age, injuries, etc.  Was ok after the fact but not before.   Where would we be now without his bat and leadership?  I think the guys actually look more comfortable now after his pep talk.  I am a big fan of Workman and Doobie.  Obviously they both have Farrell's trust right now.  I think Workman could win 12/13 games for us next year but maybe they think he's a better reliever.

    Back to Boston with the DH on our side.  I hope ALL pitchers are available Wed--hoping we can get a few runs up on them and close it out.  They keep showing that stat that SL doesn't do very well vs. lefties...

    They keep throwing that curve that starts off the plate then breaks across the edge--which Ross hit for his double and which Lester is also throwing at them.  I would say it's working--do they think we're going to wait for a fastball?  Bogey and Pedey have been aggressive with that pitch and are getting hits.  

    The Friendly Confines Baby, Go Sox!

     
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    I hope this doesn't make me a bad fan but in all truthfulness I didn't think the RS would win tonight-- their (SL) ace on the mound after a bad start, no home field advantage, a probable loss then back to Boston with a huge fight on our hands.  Well I was completely wrong about this team  as I have often been before.  Speaking of being wrong, I didn't want the Papi signing--thought we'd pushed the envelope far enough with age, injuries, etc.  Was ok after the fact but not before.   Where would we be now without his bat and leadership?  I think the guys actually look more comfortable now after his pep talk.  I am a big fan of Workman and Doobie.  Obviously they both have Farrell's trust right now.  I think Workman could win 12/13 games for us next year but maybe they think he's a better reliever.

    Back to Boston with the DH on our side.  I hope ALL pitchers are available Wed--hoping we can get a few runs up on them and close it out.  They keep showing that stat that SL doesn't do very well vs. lefties...

    They keep throwing that curve that starts off the plate then breaks across the edge--which Ross hit for his double and which Lester is also throwing at them.  I would say it's working--do they think we're going to wait for a fastball?  Bogey and Pedey have been aggressive with that pitch and are getting hits.  

    The Friendly Confines Baby, Go Sox!



    I hope it doesn't go 7. Lackey seems like our best bet, even though we face Wachu for game 6.

    I hope Victorino is healthy to play the spacious Fenway RF. He's really made a huge difference out there on defense.

    Napoli back in the line-up is fantastic. The Cards gain much less with the DH over the pitcher hitting than we do.

    Probably Gomes in LF if Shane goes out there to play.

    Salty did very well with Lackey all year, but Ross has to be "the man" game 6.

    I really loved seeing Papi bat 3rd as that is where I wanted him all year. The Cards had Berltran hitting 4th last night, and he got one less PA than the 1-3 hitters (good news for us). I wouldn't want Papi to be left on deck as the game ends.

    Maybe we can go with this:

    1) Ells

    2) Pedey

    3) Ortiz

    4) Napoli

    5) Gomes

    6) Victorino (Nava)

    7) Bogey

    8) Drew

    9) Ross

     
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    Isn't it time for Gomes to sit the heck down? My God, do we have to roll him out there forever? He's hit 1 HR in his entire post season history and done little else well, in spacious St. Louis RF where we have been lucky to have not been burned defensively yet. Can't we play Victorino in RF and Nava in LF and go with the numbers? Nava has had good AB as compared to Gomes. I'd much rather have Nava in the 5 slot as compared to Gomes. 

    I did some analysis of where we might spend our money next winter and to be honest who the heck knows? McCann? Ellsbury? Choo? If I had to pick one I think it would be Choo. the guy gets on base better than anyone available and he's a decent defender with some pop. And is young. Which player helps our team most next year? I think it might be Choo.

    Is it just me or does Ortiz look like a better fielder than Fielder? The guy could probably be a serviceable 1st baseman for us next year if we wanted. They probably just don't want him to get hurt or they would put him there potentially, which would open up the DH slot for a reserve OF, or someone else. Not saying it could happen because it won't but he is decent injury backup at 1st and we should probably look at him that way next year.

     
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    I have never seen Papi look bad at first or make errors--there is always lamenting when we know he has to play there, but he is always more than adequate.  The other night when that kid stole 2nd, he seemed to catch the ball on the wrong side of his body and try to swing around--I can't explain it, but the commentators mentioned it too.  Could have been the pitchers' fault.  Next night, Naps catches the ball right by the bag and BOOM, the kid's out.  I do agree with Moon though; we need to get a power hitter who doesn't play first to cover ourselves.  If Ells goes, a power hitter in right?  I do like the way two center fielders have worked in our defense.  This is post WS discussion.  I feel comfortable with Ross in there right now.  I'd be good with Nava in left.  I think Wed.  should be "all hands on deck" for EVERY situation.  If Gomes starts and the bases are loaded and he's 0-3, put in Nava.  If Nava, gets a double and we need an extra run, put in our designated runner to get another run on a hit.  Etc.  PS.  My guy has decided he can't leave for the game so my hopes at being there are gone but I will have a blast watching it anyway.  I want these guys to win so badly for themselves--I think they really deserve it. 

     
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    Isn't it time for Gomes to sit the heck down? My God, do we have to roll him out there forever? He's hit 1 HR in his entire post season history and done little else well, in spacious St. Louis RF where we have been lucky to have not been burned defensively yet. Can't we play Victorino in RF and Nava in LF and go with the numbers? Nava has had good AB as compared to Gomes. I'd much rather have Nava in the 5 slot as compared to Gomes. 

    I did some analysis of where we might spend our money next winter and to be honest who the heck knows? McCann? Ellsbury? Choo? If I had to pick one I think it would be Choo. the guy gets on base better than anyone available and he's a decent defender with some pop. And is young. Which player helps our team most next year? I think it might be Choo.

    Is it just me or does Ortiz look like a better fielder than Fielder? The guy could probably be a serviceable 1st baseman for us next year if we wanted. They probably just don't want him to get hurt or they would put him there potentially, which would open up the DH slot for a reserve OF, or someone else. Not saying it could happen because it won't but he is decent injury backup at 1st and we should probably look at him that way next year.



    I like Choo too, but I'm not sure we will want to lose a draft pick to get him, despite the fact that we may gain 2-4 draft picks by losing Ellsbury, Napoli, Salty and/or Drew.

    I think Choo will cost less than Ellsbury, and although we lose speed, we gain OBP at the top of the line-up. The "saved money" could be applied towards keeping Napoli and Salty or Drew.

    I still think we need to get a #5 hitter who does not play only 1B. These games in NL parks expose the reason why. Sitting Napoli or Papi really kills our line-up. It was nice having Youk at 1B, who could slide over to 3B to allow Papi to play without losing Youk's bat.

    I do think Papi is a better fielder than Prince, but it scares me to play him there and risk injury.

    I still think Ellsbury walks (+1 draft pick and a boatload of money to spend elsewhere).

    I still think we bring back only one of Napoli or Drew, and my guess is Napoli. That gives the SS job to Bogey and the 3Bman job to Middy. We may sign a defensive SS/3Bman as our supersub.

    Without Ellsbury, we can afford Napoli and Drew, and notin's suggestion that we may do that and then trade Middlebrooks for a catcher might make some sense.

    Now, I think Salty is gone. If we are benching him during the WS, then I can't see us paying him big money longterm. I'd like to see him back, but with Ross, Lava, Vazquez, Butler, Swihart and Denny in the system, a longterm deal seems out of the question. We may offer a 1 year QOto gain a draft pick or gain a bridge catcher to 2014.

    Then, I'd try hard to land Mujica to shore up the pen. I'd look to trade Bailey and Dempster to free up room for some kids and salary space for another splash somewhere.

    If we come up to the luxury tax limit, we can try and restructure lackey's deal to spread out the cap hit between the two years and not just 2014.

     
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    I have never seen Papi look bad at first or make errors--there is always lamenting when we know he has to play there, but he is always more than adequate.  The other night when that kid stole 2nd, he seemed to catch the ball on the wrong side of his body and try to swing around--I can't explain it, but the commentators mentioned it too.  Could have been the pitchers' fault.  Next night, Naps catches the ball right by the bag and BOOM, the kid's out.  I do agree with Moon though; we need to get a power hitter who doesn't play first to cover ourselves.  If Ells goes, a power hitter in right?  I do like the way two center fielders have worked in our defense.  This is post WS discussion.  I feel comfortable with Ross in there right now.  I'd be good with Nava in left.  I think Wed.  should be "all hands on deck" for EVERY situation.  If Gomes starts and the bases are loaded and he's 0-3, put in Nava.  If Nava, gets a double and we need an extra run, put in our designated runner to get another run on a hit.  Etc.  PS.  My guy has decided he can't leave for the game so my hopes at being there are gone but I will have a blast watching it anyway.  I want these guys to win so badly for themselves--I think they really deserve it. 



    Good post.

    I like Nava better as our starting LF'er. He has better numbers vs RHPs, is a better fielder, and Gomes is one of the best PH'ers in MLB.

    Best of both worlds.

     
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    He's still going to start Gomes tomorrow even though it makes much more sense to start Nava against the righty and have Gomes off the bench where, as Moon just said, he excels as a pinch hitter.  Farrell just wants that guy in there, despite the illogic. 

     
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    He's still going to start Gomes tomorrow even though it makes much more sense to start Nava against the righty and have Gomes off the bench where, as Moon just said, he excels as a pinch hitter.  Farrell just wants that guy in there, despite the illogic. 



    I'd start Nava, but John has had the magic touch, so what can we say?

     
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    The whole Gomes in against RH pitching over Nava is ridiculous at this point. Gomes is now a career .130 hitter in the post season after 50 post season AB and Farrell is playing him time after time against RH pithing over Nava. Farrell keeps saying he can count on Gomes for a quality AB but have you guys seen a lot of quality AB from Gomes recently? That is a joke. 50 AB now. A .130 average.

    Play Nava for God's sake. We want to win!

    Choo's hit chart looks a little interesting. He's probably a better offensive player than Ellsbury with a WRC+ of 151 last year compared to Ellsbury's 113. His hit chart is a little like Big Papi's:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/shin-soo-choo/hitchart/288287?q=shin-soo-choo

     
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