A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    I think it had more to do with the two throws than not hitting.

    Salty got a huge hit in the playoffs...same as Gomes. Just one.

    One stayed in- the other was benched.

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    Gomes actually had 3 big hits.  Besides the 3 run homer:

    -He had the leadoff single that led to Salty driving him in for the winning run in ALCS Game 2.

    -He had a leadoff double off Scherzer before Victorino's grand slam in ALCS Game 6.

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    Nava had the big hit to break up the no-no, and the game was still in doubt at the time. Because nobody knocked him in, it didn't count, I guess.

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    Your comparison was between Salty and Gomes.

     

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    A lot of people apparently don't think Kuroda is a good enough pitcher for us, for the oppportunity he represents, and they are fine with us choosing a .143 hitter as our LF and slotting him in position #5 in the lineup in the world series. If a whole lot of data doesn't sway anyone's opinion I'm not going to keep trying to communicate it. 

    Maybe we are seeing the name Beltran pop up a lot for a reason. Possibly better Papi protection in the lineup? As our new LF starter?

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    A lot of people apparently don't think Kuroda is a good enough pitcher for us, for the oppportunity he represents, and they are fine with us choosing a .143 hitter as our LF and slotting him in position #5 in the lineup in the world series. If a whole lot of data doesn't sway anyone's opinion I'm not going to keep trying to communicate it. 

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    The strange thing about this statement is that you're implying that it's the exact same people saying both of these things.  Personally I have said very little about Kuroda except that he had a bad finish last year.  If the Red Sox signed Kuroda I'd be happy about it, but I don't think it's a realistic possibility.

     

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    I think it had more to do with the two throws than not hitting.

    Salty got a huge hit in the playoffs...same as Gomes. Just one.

    One stayed in- the other was benched.

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    Gomes actually had 3 big hits.  Besides the 3 run homer:

    -He had the leadoff single that led to Salty driving him in for the winning run in ALCS Game 2.

    -He had a leadoff double off Scherzer before Victorino's grand slam in ALCS Game 6.

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    Nava had the big hit to break up the no-no, and the game was still in doubt at the time. Because nobody knocked him in, it didn't count, I guess.

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    Your comparison was between Salty and Gomes.

     

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    True, and I meant to mention that.

    So then, back to Salty. He was one of our top "Late and Close" hitters last year and came on strong at the end of this season in that area. It's not totally his fault nobody brought him home after getting on base....

     Salty had a big 2B in game 1 vs the Rays (2 RBI) to break it open and set the tone.

    Game 2 vs Detroit down 1 game to 0 and tied 5-5 in the 9th: Salty gets a walk off single.

    Game 4: run scoring single a game we lost.

    WS Game 2 down 1-0, Salty drew a leadoff walk and got stranded.

    Game 3: Man on 3rd down 2-0, Salty walked. A FC brought in a run after.

     

     

     

    Certainly Gomes had some big hits, but my point was about Salty being benched more for his 2 bad throws than his lack of hitting or "big hits".

     

     

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    I agree, I think that's exactly why Salty was benched.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    A lot of people apparently don't think Kuroda is a good enough pitcher for us, for the oppportunity he represents, and they are fine with us choosing a .143 hitter as our LF and slotting him in position #5 in the lineup in the world series. If a whole lot of data doesn't sway anyone's opinion I'm not going to keep trying to communicate it

    Maybe we are seeing the name Beltran pop up a lot for a reason. Possibly better Papi protection in the lineup? As our new LF starter?

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    Awe don't give up now! 22 paragraph length posts on Kuroda are just not enough. We need more.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    Alex Speier has these luxury budget numbers for 2014 (before any FA signings):

     
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    Alex Speier is the man when it comes to the payroll and luxury tax stuff.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    For argument's sake let's say we have $32M to spend and these are the only guys we can choose from. Who do you sign without going over $32M?

     

    $19M Ellsbury 

    $17M Choo    

     

    $16M Beltran

    $16M McCann

    $15M Grandy

    $15M Napoli

    $14M K Morales

    $12M Drew

    $10M Salty 

    $8M Ruiz

    $7M Mujica

    $4M Suzuki

    $4M B Ryan

    $4M J Crain

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    Personally I'd say McCann and Napoli.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    Is there a reset on the penalty fee exceeding the $189 mil.?  If not them try this.

    Ellsbury              $16 mil.

    Napoli                   11 mil.

    Salty                       9 mil. 

    Drew                     11 mil.

    Total                      47 mil.

    Exceeds cap by      15 nil.  but no penalty

    Paid for easily by 2013 post season profits raked in with nine games at Fenway Park plus TV share and increased season tickets and advanced sales for 2014. 

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    Ellsbury will not sign for $16M, and Napoli and Drew will both sign for $3-5M more a year.

    I'mnot saying we wont go over the limit, but there is a "penalty".

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    I thought that this year was a reset on the penalty phase for Boston.. I might be wrong on that.

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    I'm under the impression that if we go over, we pay a penalty. If we don't go over in 2015, we reset.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    Regarding the reset, Boston has already done that but they still want to stay under the $189 mil limit because they want to be a part of the revenue sharing deal until 2016, when they no longer will be eligible for it.

    if the Yanks go over it this year they will be penalized at the 50% rate. They have said many times that they want to be under it this year. I would think that they will be but we wilol see. All the more reason to make them pay though the nose for all the free agents they sign.

    New CBA details:

    Must read this if you want to really understand what is going on this off season regarding "revenue sharing". The league is essentially now a socialist organization:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/library/business/revenue-sharing/

    More info:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7270203/baseball-new-labor-deal-truly-historic-one

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    For argument's sake let's say we have $32M to spend and these are the only guys we can choose from. Who do you sign without going over $32M?

     

    $19M Ellsbury 

    $17M Choo    

     

    $16M Beltran

    $16M McCann

    $15M Grandy

    $15M Napoli

    $14M K Morales

    $12M Drew

    $10M Salty 

    $8M Ruiz

    $7M Mujica

    $4M Suzuki

    $4M B Ryan

    $4M J Crain

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    napoli-15

    suzuki-4

    hudson-12

    and we can make trades for a OF....

     

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    For argument's sake let's say we have $32M to spend and these are the only guys we can choose from. Who do you sign without going over $32M?

     

    $19M Ellsbury 

    $17M Choo    

     

    $16M Beltran

    $16M McCann

    $15M Grandy

    $15M Napoli

    $14M K Morales

    $12M Drew

    $10M Salty 

    $8M Ruiz

    $7M Mujica

    $4M Suzuki

    $4M B Ryan

    $4M J Crain

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    napoli-15

    suzuki-4

    hudson-12

    and we can make trades for a OF....

     

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    Atlanta's SP'ers never seem to pan out after moving away.

    Tim Hudson turns 39 next July, and I don't think he's the next Curt Schilling.

    We have 6 starters now, with Workman, Britton, Webster, and more kids banging on the door.

     

     

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    I find the Beltran news interesting. He would be a decent Papi protector and they really need that. He can still hit but defensively he's probably not appropriate for RF in Fenway. He has limitations which probably restrain the amount of money he can command. He is much better in certain situations now due to more limited range. He's almost a DH at this point. He probably signs with an AL team IMO this year.

    Basically he's a particularly good fit in NYY's RF and Fenway's LF. I'm sure there are others but this looks like a possible bidding war between the yanks and us and I bet they want him for LF. Which means maybe they trade Nava. Or use Nava more at 1st base. I would think the former is more likely.

    If you read through the new CBA changes it just seems that short terms deals make more sense for the Redsox and that seems to be their approach. They are going to be limited in the amount they have available to spend. They are going to want to keep a steady pipeline of prospects coming up from the minors and they are probably not inclined to do big multi year deals much at all any more. A guy like Beltran and other short term options just makes sense for the Redsox.

    I think Papai looked pretty good at 1st base in the playoffs. It's not out of the question for them to field one heck of a great team against RH pitching if they keep Nava and add Beltran. They can even slot Papi at 1st and Beltran as a DH once in a while if they want and slot Nava in LF. At some point Cechinni at 3rd. All these guys work the count well and to me, Beltran's bat is better than Napoli's.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    Regarding Hudson, they probably want 1-2 guys on deals where they show up at mid season. They are willing to roll the dice on those types of situations. Hudson is probably a great bet and Atlanta may not want to spend much money to keep him in the current situation. To us he would simply be starter depth. I like Johan Santana on such a deal also.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    For argument's sake let's say we have $32M to spend and these are the only guys we can choose from. Who do you sign without going over $32M?

     

    $19M Ellsbury 

    $17M Choo    

     

    $16M Beltran

    $16M McCann

    $15M Grandy

    $15M Napoli

    $14M K Morales

    $12M Drew

    $10M Salty 

    $8M Ruiz

    $7M Mujica

    $4M Suzuki

    $4M B Ryan

    $4M J Crain



    napoli-15

    suzuki-4

    hudson-12

    and we can make trades for a OF....

     

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    Atlanta's SP'ers never seem to pan out after moving away.

    Tim Hudson turns 39 next July, and I don't think he's the next Curt Schilling.

    We have 6 starters now, with Workman, Britton, Webster, and more kids banging on the door.

     

     

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    keep workman in the bullpen...webster could be part of a deal for stanton? i just think hudson is a solid starter i like him alot. dempster and doubront could be part of a deal also...so many ways to go...

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    Unless we make some great trades with our SP'ers, we can't afford to "roll the dice" on old SP'ers while we have big gaps all over the place.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

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    Unless we make some great trades with our SP'ers, we can't afford to "roll the dice" on old SP'ers while we have big gaps all over the place.

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    he may be old but the guy can still pitch..2year deal....http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/4084/tim-hudson

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    Boom I love your loyalty to players, your passion, and this will be the last time I mention Nava in this debate.  Your reasons for Nava vs Gomes are valid.  But for me, I don't get into feeling sorry for players anymore when they don't get to play.  watching every game this summer, these guys all pulled for each other, slapped backs, ran out of the dugout to congratulate on good plays, etc and Gomes lead the pack and early on wasn't playing that much.  Also a lot of people wanted to feel sorry for Lowell when he ended up on the bench.  just can't feel bad for guys making millions playing a kids game, getting WS bonuses, especially when they've been saved from "The Pallaloosa BUFFALOES of Northwestern Minnesota" or some such baseball Mecca.  I think all the GMs see what Nava can do and the RS or someone else will give him the big payday at some time.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I

    Moon, tell me about Mujica--can he close once in a while?   We have to keep Koji fresh next year. Also who was that bull dog we brought up late in the season that did pretty well out of the pen?  Blond hair and tats?

     

     
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