Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part I
posted at 11/26/2013 10:22 AM EST
n response to RedsoxProspects' comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to RedsoxProspects' comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
"Carp / Morse at $5 mil / year"
Morse cost almost 7M this year and Carp will cost about 1-2M in his 1st arb year in 2014. The two will cost about 10M for 2014, not 5M.
Then consider you will probably have to give Morse a 2-3 year deal at between 7-10M per. Although since he couldnt even reach a .700OPS, he might come cheaper. Bugt then again, why would you want a 700OPS 1bman?
I was talking about added cost. We are already paying Carp. And I showed you above that Morse put up about the same OPS numbers as your guy ( Hart ) over the last 3 years but you cite his injury year anyway. That's rather disengenuous. But my guy supposedly stinks but will still cost more than he made last year, after his worst year in 4 years?
The bottom line is I don't know how you sign Salty, Ellsbury and Hart and whoever else you need and stay under budget. I am at least under budget. Are you?
Kuroda for 20M? completely unrealistic since its a know fact its either Japan or NYY.
I said Trade Peavy -14M. sign Salty at 9M, Hart for 10M, and Ells for 18M. thats 23M. Leaves us about 10 to spare. If your going to try to discredit me at least Pay attention so not to make yourself look foolish.
It's a known fact that Kuroda made $15 mil last year. If we offered him $20 mil it's a known fact that if he is like most players he would strongly consider it. He moved from LA didn't he for more money. And if we do that it just makes the Yanks pay him more to sign him if he ends up going that way. Try to follow.
He's a fall back from Tanaka. If you'd rather spend your money on guys like Salty and Hart that's your call. I'd take Kuroda over them in a heartbeat. In my scenario I replace Peavy with a Kuroda or Tanaka. You replace him with your new scenario ( yes, your new scenario ) with nothing.
So what exactly was my "old" scinario?
Kuroda isnt an upgrade except in money spent. Its a lateral move for more money. That, and hes not a realistic option. Tanaka yes, but I just dont see the Sox making a serious play for him.
We offerd Kuroda 18+M I believe. I think I heard rumors of 2 years as well. Makles sense since we got Demp for 2 afterwards. He was 38, at the end of his career and didnt need the money. He wanted to go where he wanted to go. Not all players run for the money. See Longoria, Pedey.
Listen. I disagree with people on here, but I am respectful about it. Me and Moon have had a few heated battles as well as a few more posters. We all still talk here because they know Im not into the name calling and all that. When I make my point/opinion I try and use facts, numbers, some inside info I have access to, and my overall knowledge of the game. I like a debate. I enjoy that. But when I disagree with you you seem to get all snarky. Whys that Boom? You say stuff like "take our heads out of the sand" and talk as if your plan is the only valid one.
I never said Morse stinks. I actually stated that I had no problem with him, just didnt want him. I stated his BA was 200 last year. Its was. Show me where I said he stinks. Maybe we can buy low or maybe its the start of a downward trend. Both viable possibilities, Id go with downward trend. Dont put words in my mouth. You stated Morse and Carp will cost 5M. Thats not true. Morse made 6.75M last year alone and Carp is due around 1-1.5M. Figure in Carps and Morses slight raise and your around what Id give Hart, 10M. We wouldnt have to commit years to him and could possibly get a comp pick when he leaves. Its worked well for us so far. Is that NOT a good idea?
I told you Im not a big fan of a lot of platoons like you and Moon are. I dont believe in moving everyone around to different position like this is little league, especially young player like Xander and WMB.Im optinionated and respectful. I expect the same. If I disagree with someone, I will always have a valid arguement. We can disagree without getting snarky. Just because it doesnt go along with your, doesnt mean its a bad idea and doesnt mean you can twist things to make you look good and TRY to make me look bad with your whole "I am at least under budget. Are you?" and "Are you sentient at all?" BS. Talk about rubbing people the wrong way just because they dont agree with you.