In response to moonslav59's comment:
I really think Stanton is going to become a monster. Maybe not Miggy, but still...
I've been wrong quite a few times about players I thought we should strongly pursue, like Brett Anderson, Gavin Floyd, and others. I've been luke warm with others like Justin Upton and Wil Myers. I've been pretty good on others like Gio Gonzalez, A Sanchez, and Napoli, but all deals need to be taken in context and judged many years afterwards.
Not all our prospects will do well. Had we traded Lars Anderson before he showed his true colors, we'd probably be better off, but I'm sure many here would have complained. We have a recent history of doing pretty well when trading prospects, but those Bagwell memories linger.
Probably no worse than most GM's in the game. Lets face it if one GM got it right means another got it wrong. There wasn't alot of talk this off season [some] about Abreau for RS 1B job. Coming off WS most wanted Naps back, now Abreau has a fantastic OD and everyone is "We should have signed him instead of Naps" may well turn out to be a great sign for WSox, but still way too early to tell. Imagined if we signed him let Naps walk and he turned out to be a bust. They'd be ripping Ben a new ..... If GM's could make trades/signs in hindsight there would be no bad GM's
I'm not big on the RS aquiring Stanton idea, mostly because of the probable cost. He will hit a ton of homers 40-50 w/ RS but if I'm going to give up the farm basically I want a more complete player [Mike Trout / Andrew McCutchen type] some one who can run, play defense, and hit. A player who can affect a game in alot of ways.
Not ALL our prospects have to pan out. But if you have as many top prospects as RS do, then you know you are bound to have a bunch who do turn out to be the real deal. RS even lately have had their fair share of failures [Vitek / Hansen] or injuries [Kalish]. But saying the RS have 10 top prospects would not be overstating it, it would not be unfair to think that 6 will turn out to be as good as advertised in the next couple of yrs. I'm a big believer if a team wants to be succesful that a franchise must graduate on avg 2 players per year to the big club. RS farm system is well ahead of this curve.
I have no beef with Ben. How can anyone?
The moment the AGon trade was made, I called it "perhaps the greatest Red Sox trade in my lifetime".
Ironically, my biggest 2 complaints last winter were...
1) We did not sign or trade for a player entering his prime that was under team control for more than 3 years. (Help us now and help us 3+ years from now as well)
2) We did not continue to build on the Dodger trade by further stocking up on the farm- preferrably more quality than quantity.
Now, remember, I based this on my belief that we had basically no chance of winning a ring in 2013, so why not build for the extended future, but also improve in 2013 by adding players like Justin Upton and Anibal Sanchez and by adding promising younger pitchers like Brett Anderson and Brandon McCarthy over the likes of Dempster and Hanrahan.
This winter, we did add to the farm by gaining a draft pick in a deep and strong draft year, but we have still not added a key piece that projects to be a stud for 4+ years. I'm not saying I think we necessarily need to; Ben proved that theory wrong last winter.
There is, however, one theory I believe is always true: never base your future plans on a past plan that happened to work once or give up on a plan that happened to fail once. Yes, the Bagwell trade was a disaster, but the HanRam/A Sanchez deal won us a ring. The CC signing was a disaster, but the Manny signing directly led to a ring. Everyone loved the trade of Kelly and Rizzo for AGon, but few loved the trade of AGon to the Dodgers. There are many levels to each of these types of plans, and I think the key is balance. One could argue that our farm is almost too deep and too "quantity" orientated, especially with more to be added this June, and we are "ripe" for a "correction"- due for a blockbuster deal or signing. As Papi's career nears an end, we need to start considering a big slugger added to our line-up. We need to be proactive and explore all possibilities, because they don't come up very often. If we wait until we are desperate, we may just settle on the best available at the time. We may get lucky taht time is right, and I'm not saying now is the time and Stanton is the man-- that man, but he certainly has the potential to be a monster on offense for many years to come.
I know I am not expert on prospects, and on top of that, none of us really know what some actual deals have been discussed or offered since the Dodger trade. Like most Sox fans, I like our prospects and want to keep them in hopes of filling some open slots with affordable long controlled players, but waiting too long also gives us the Lars Andersons and Viteks of the world as well. I'm super high on Bogey, Cecchini, Owens and Betts, and unless Middy is dealt (or moved to 1B after Napoli moves on), a couple will have to radically change positions to have a significant role on this team. I like Barnes, Ranaudo, Webster, de la Rosa, Workman, and Britton, but I think we could see if some other rebuilding GM values them more than we do. I'd seriously look at packaging 2-3 of these young SP'ers with a blocked prospects like Marrero, Cecchini (or Middy) or Betts and see what shakes out. I'm not for trading these guys just for the sake of trading them. I know some poster here think if you mention trading one of our players it means you don't value them or at least don't value them as highly as they do, but I disagree. I think these prospects hold a lot of value for our future, and so they also hold the same or more value to other team's futures as well. Let's see how much some teams want these guys.
For arguments sake, let's say we are able to get Stanton for Middy, Webster, de la Rosa, Barnes and Betts. We then sign Drew (not getting the draft pick anyways) and move Bogey to 3B. We move Cecchini to 1B on the farm and Betts to SS or 3B. I'd still think our farm would rank pretty highly, especially after the June draft. We might have to give up JBJ, Owens or Swihart, but if they took the offer I suggested, we'd still have...
12) T Ball
That's a very decent new top 10 with some decent prospects below as well:
Margot, Stanky, Marrero, Devers, Rijo, B Johnson, Brentz/Hassan, and Callahan/Mercedes
I'm okay sticking with the kids, but I do think Ben is keeping his eyes open for a chance to pounce.
Yes, like that trade off for Stanton, here's hoping something along those lines happens.