Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part II
posted at 4/12/2014 10:10 AM EDT
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So far Bogaerts has only cost his team 1 run at SS while last year he saved his team 2 runs in limited duty at SS. The sample size is too small to make a move to me.
agreed Boom. to me, it would be foolish to move the kid.
Im still not sure how people can say that 3b is more "natural" to him or that hes a better 3b when he has just a handful of games there.
He's a SS and always has been.
He's always been a mediocre fielding SS at best. That's the point.
I get the plus factor of having a SS that can be a top 3-4 offensive SS in MLB year one, but the fact remains: until he shows he can be an average ML defensive SS, the talk of moving him to 3B is expected.
If Marrero proves he can be adequate offensively, then the move may be made despite Bogey becoming an adequate fielding SS or even a slightly plus fielding SS. Of course, if Middy or Cecchini are stars at 3B, then the talk will cease as well (at least until Naps contract runs out).
Ok, let me be more clear.
The talk of moving him NOW is what I dont understand. If your 3b gets hurt, go find another 3b. Dont move your starting 21yo SS off his natural position until you are forced to by he way he plays. He has done NOTHING to warrant moving his position right now. yes, he has some improving to do, but hes far from a liability and the organization has seen enough improvement the last couple years to realize that hes going to get even better.
dont mess with his development. Makes absolutely no sense. Not right now anyway.
1) Just because SS is the position Bogey has been playing his whole life (except for briefly playing 3B in the WS last year), does not necessarily make it his "natural position". It is my position (and I realize I could be wrong and that Ben may fiercely disagree) that Bogey could become a top 10 fielding 3Bman within a year, but may never become a top 15 SS over a full career at SS. That's the part that "makes sense" to me.
2) I was for making this move last year. I felt Bogey should have begun playing at some 3B last summer in AAA. As it turned out, it would have been helpful as he ended up being forced to play 3B under the big WS spotlight with virtually no experience. I was for moving him to 3B this winter while moving Middy or Cecchini to 1B, or at least giving them significant time to learn the position. ( realize it may somewhat impede their further defensive development at 3B, but neither rates to ever become a plus fielder at 3B.
3) Yes, we have an injury issue at 3B right now, and we may very well have a performance issue at 3B as well. The strategy should be to look for a way to solve that issue without compromising (much anyway) another important position. The choices include finding an outside solution to 3B (like Roberts or a major trade like A Ramirez), and inside solution like Cecchini, or to weigh those pluses and minuses against moving Bogey to 3B and using someone else at SS. Of course there are minuses involved, but the concept of moving Bogey makes a lot of sense in other ways.
4) It's not just about the question of Bogey being or not being a "liability" on defense at SS, it is about maximizing his potential and maximizing the team's potential at all positions. A GM must weigh the pros and cons of any decision vs the pros and cons of other possible choices. I am pretty certain Ben has picked at this issue more than once. I trust Ben's judgement and decision making skills. I am not pretending to know more than him or his staff. They may have evaluated that Bogey has serious limitations at 3B and would probably not become top 10 in a short time. That would change my equation had I known these opinions. Ben has access to much more knowledge of skill levels and and projected skill levels of all players involved. I am not being critical of Ben & Co., but I do have my opinions and general baseball philosophies, and like Earl Weaver just mentioned here, I value SS defense very very highly.
5) Bogey seems to be a player that can handle himself very well. He proved that last October at 3B in the World Series. One could argue that his offensive performance could improve by not having to play and learn the most difficult fielding position in MLB other than perhaps the catching position.
6) If we can find a decent SS right now (perhaps Drew), to me, it makes more sense to move Bogey now than it did before the Middy injury.