A Realistic View at 2014: Part II

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    He can handle it.... just got to let them prover it... anyhow I don't expect it to happen.... 


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    Just about every time a pitcher throws over 130 pitches they are seriously messed up for about a month.  It happened once with Schilling when he was here.  It happened with Edwin Jackson when he had the no-hitter with 140+ pitches.


    Maybe pitchers of the olden days were more durable because they were trained better - I really don't know.


    But pitchers are very prone to seriously injuring themselves just pitching - pretty hard to deny that.  


     

     
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    He can handle it.... just got to let them prover it... anyhow I don't expect it to happen.... 


     


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    Just about every time a pitcher throws over 130 pitches they are seriously messed up for about a month.  It happened once with Schilling when he was here.  It happened with Edwin Jackson when he had the no-hitter with 140+ pitches.


     


    Maybe pitchers of the olden days were more durable because they were trained better - I really don't know.


     


    But pitchers are very prone to seriously injuring themselves just pitching - pretty hard to deny that.  


     


     


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    If you do not train to throw 130+ pitches then you are just going to get hurt when you try to do it. Its like training for a half marathon then going out and trying to run the full 26 miles. You might be able to complete it, but its going to mess you up. On the other hand, if you train properly you can probably run the full distance. Today's pitchers train to pitch a little over 100 pitches a game at which point they are routinely removed. I do not want to see Sox pitchers going for a CG if they are nearing 110 pitches.


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    I don't think it's reasonable to compare pitchers of today with pitchers of 30 years ago.  "In days of yore" it was the goal of a starting pitcher to throw a complete game because that pitcher was doing a better job than anyone else would do that day.  Now we're in the days of the specialist/closer and we know that if you have a good one of those that closer is going to be more effective than a pitcher who's throw 110+ pitches already that day.


    The game has evolved and this is where it is now.  I don't see what the big deal is about a pitcher throwing a perfect game anyway.  The goal of the team is to win games and if the best way to do it is by bringing in a closer... so be it.  


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    He can handle it.... just got to let them prover it... anyhow I don't expect it to happen....


     


    Yeah, he probably could have "handled it", but in this day and age, starting pitchers are being conditioned to go hard for 90-120 pitches. We had the game in the bag, so why not keep Lester fresh and strong?


     



    moon u would have put Cy Young on a pitch count


     


    Yeah, maybe about the 180 to 200 pitch mark.


    Different era- different game- different standards.


    I don't think it's crazy or "pill-induced" to think we can change the new tradition and start conditioning our SP'ers to go longer each start, but that's not going to happen mid-season. I don't think it is "pill induced" craziness to think limiting Lester's pitch count (and others too) can be a positive thing in the long run.


     


     


     


     


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    Day off, 2 vs the Reds, then another day off. Weird.


    3 at TEX this weekend followed by another day off.


    That's 3 days off in 8 days.


    3 @ MN, 3 v DET, then another off day.


    4 days off out of 15 days.


    Then 16 games in 16 days.


     


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    On that pitcher scouting report let's give Barnes a freaking cutter quick! Everything I hear is that he can control his fastball even within the zone and it misses bats and can get up to 98. The guy might well be a better overall prospect than Owens if we look at it long term. He should be able to at least relieve for us this year after the break.


    Ranaudo just doesn't seem to miss enough bats. Trade em!


    If we can get some value! He'd be a solid pitcher in some big park like San Diego. He is not cut out for the AL East though IMHO!


    Owens is a project but he clearly has potential.


    Could it be that Britton turns out to be a real decent LH reliever?


    This team is just flat out stacked! Can't wait for Cechinni to join the club and solve that lead off spot problem or slide in the 2 hole. He and JBJ are made to order Redsox hitters.


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    I have been on Cecchini's bandwagon for a long time. I hope to see him this year, but not because Middy is stinking up the place or Naps or Papi are injured, but really, something like that needs to happen for garin to get a long ML look in 2014.


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    I have seen Garin about a half dozen times and he looks very comfortable at the plate but unfortunately his defense is just the opposite.  I don't see him helping our already shaky defense so chances are slim he will be on the big club until he finds a home defensively. 

     
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    I have seen Garin about a half dozen times and he looks very comfortable at the plate but unfortunately his defense is just the opposite. I don't see him helping our already shaky defense so chances are slim he will be on the big club until he finds a home defensively.


    I do not pretend to know more about prospects than Sox management, but my opinion is that we leave some weak defensive players at their position too long. I know some players need time to develop and grow into decent or plus fielders, but with so many players & prospects able to play 3B (Bogey, Middy, Cecchini, Holt, Devers and maybe even Betts), I'd like to see Cecchini moved to 1B or LF (or both). I'd also like to see Betts moved to SS or LF. Sooner rather than later.


    I know many here disagree, and again, I am no expert on this subject, but I wish we had moved Bogey to 3B two years ago.


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    I have seen Garin about a half dozen times and he looks very comfortable at the plate but unfortunately his defense is just the opposite. I don't see him helping our already shaky defense so chances are slim he will be on the big club until he finds a home defensively.


     


    I do not pretend to know more about prospects than Sox management, but my opinion is that we leave some weak defensive players at their position too long. I know some players need time to develop and grow into decent or plus fielders, but with so many players & prospects able to play 3B (Bogey, Middy, Cecchini, Holt, Devers and maybe even Betts), I'd like to see Cecchini moved to 1B or LF (or both). I'd also like to see Betts moved to SS or LF. Sooner rather than later.


     


    I know many here disagree, and again, I am no expert on this subject, but I wish we had moved Bogey to 3B two years ago.


     


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    That's a given moon and I completely agree.  Betts isn't going to be our 2B unless Pede goes down and the kid is tearing the cover off the ball so why he is still playing 2B?  Same goes for Garin, another solid eye at the plate who has yet to master 3B.  If Middy goes down or struggles Bogy is probably the only guy that can play there every day and help our lineup. 


    Puzzling, I would love to know their reasoning but there has to be some.

     
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    why not really give up? didn't u have enough already?


     




    Only with you RigatoniT, you are now on ignore like your other screen name.


    Enjoy!

     
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    I have seen Garin about a half dozen times and he looks very comfortable at the plate but unfortunately his defense is just the opposite. I don't see him helping our already shaky defense so chances are slim he will be on the big club until he finds a home defensively.


    I do not pretend to know more about prospects than Sox management, but my opinion is that we leave some weak defensive players at their position too long. I know some players need time to develop and grow into decent or plus fielders, but with so many players & prospects able to play 3B (Bogey, Middy, Cecchini, Holt, Devers and maybe even Betts), I'd like to see Cecchini moved to 1B or LF (or both). I'd also like to see Betts moved to SS or LF. Sooner rather than later.


    I know many here disagree, and again, I am no expert on this subject, but I wish we had moved Bogey to 3B two years ago.


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    That's a given moon and I completely agree.  Betts isn't going to be our 2B unless Pede goes down and the kid is tearing the cover off the ball so why he is still playing 2B?  Same goes for Garin, another solid eye at the plate who has yet to master 3B.  If Middy goes down or struggles Bogy is probably the only guy that can play there every day and help our lineup. 


    Puzzling, I would love to know their reasoning but there has to be some.


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    Maybe they just want these guys to focus on improving their hitting, and they don't want to distract them with a position change.


    With Betts, it's a given: he's not playing 2B for Boston, except as an injury fill-in. Move him now!


    With Cecchini, maybe they see potential for improving his defense at 3B, and feel Middy is to much of a question mark going forward, that keeping Cecchini at 3B is because they see him as our next 3Bman.


    My main reason for wanting to move Cecchini is not because I have given up hope on his defense at 3B, it is because I see Bogey there within a year or two.

     
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    I have seen Garin about a half dozen times and he looks very comfortable at the plate but unfortunately his defense is just the opposite. I don't see him helping our already shaky defense so chances are slim he will be on the big club until he finds a home defensively.




    I do not pretend to know more about prospects than Sox management, but my opinion is that we leave some weak defensive players at their position too long. I know some players need time to develop and grow into decent or plus fielders, but with so many players & prospects able to play 3B (Bogey, Middy, Cecchini, Holt, Devers and maybe even Betts), I'd like to see Cecchini moved to 1B or LF (or both). I'd also like to see Betts moved to SS or LF. Sooner rather than later.




    I know many here disagree, and again, I am no expert on this subject, but I wish we had moved Bogey to 3B two years ago.




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    That's a given moon and I completely agree.  Betts isn't going to be our 2B unless Pede goes down and the kid is tearing the cover off the ball so why he is still playing 2B?  Same goes for Garin, another solid eye at the plate who has yet to master 3B.  If Middy goes down or struggles Bogy is probably the only guy that can play there every day and help our lineup. 


     


    Puzzling, I would love to know their reasoning but there has to be some.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    Maybe they just want these guys to focus on improving their hitting, and they don't want to distract them with a position change.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    With Betts, it's a given: he's not playing 2B for Boston, except as an injury fill-in. Move him now!


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    With Cecchini, maybe they see potential for improving his defense at 3B, and feel Middy is to much of a question mark going forward, that keeping Cecchini at 3B is because they see him as our next 3Bman.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    My main reason for wanting to move Cecchini is not because I have given up hope on his defense at 3B, it is because I see Bogey there within a year or two.


     


     


     


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    Me too moon and good point about Middy, I just think Bogy looks more natural at 3B and may end up another Machado type talent at some point.  Garin is still pretty young, even if he can't find a real home defensively maybe his power will develop enough to take over Papi's spot.  Either way I like his bat.  I would love to see Swihart, Vasquez, Betts and Garin all in our lineup at some point helping out along with JBJ, Middy and Bogy.


    It would sure give us some serious payroll flexibility while making things a bit easier to offer guys like Lester what he deserves.  I think our initial offer to Jon was a slap in the face and hope it doesn't end up causing problems.

     
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    Watched last night's game this morning as I went to see Springsteen in concert last night.


    Nice to see us win a close one.


    Sizemore with the 2 big hits might start changing some poster's minds, if he can continue.


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    Hope you enjoyed "The Boss". Big win last night and lots of clutch pitching from the pen, except for Taz. I was a little concerned about him early when he seemed on a pace to pitch in 100 games, but his velocity and stuff seem okay. The Reds didn't exactly knock the cover off the ball in their two-run rally. Badenhop started shaky earlier in the season but now looks just as advertised, a double-play machine. It's good to have Miller back as well; when he's throwing strikes he's almost unhittable.


    Time to go on a little roll! Still not liking the "new" BDC. At least these pages don't fade and disappear like the regular Boston.com pages do. Anyone know what I could do to fix it? Using a mac with snow leopard.

     
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    To this day at 55 moon I still play the Boss, Clarence and the East Street in my truck.  All amazing performers that never disappointed me, especially live.

     
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    To this day at 55 moon I still play the Boss, Clarence and the East Street in my truck.  All amazing performers that never disappointed me, especially live. [/QUOTE]


    First time seeing him for me and the wife. Great show man. Great band. He ended with "Thunder Road" -solo, acoustic with harmonica.


    The mark of a true great band to me, is that they sound better live than in studio.


     


     

     
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    Back to baseball. Love the sweep. Let's start a long roll.


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    Our hottest hitters over the last 14 days by OPS:


    .884  AJP


    .853  Pedey


    .846 Papi


    .787 Grady


    .779 Vic


    .778 Gomes


    .729 Napi


    .663 Bogey


    .625 Ross


    .611 Middy


    .506 JBJ


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    We are just 1.5 games behind the last wild card slot, but there are 5 teams between us and NYY/TEX and KC is tied with us.


    Pretty amazing that 13 of 15 AL teams are within 2 games of a playoff slot, and the Rays are 4 out. Only the Astros appear to be too far away to realistically have a shot.


    The NL is a little more polarized, but still 13 teams are within 4.5 of the last slot. The Cubs are 7 behind and the Diamondbacks are 8 out. If the season ended today, the NL playoff teams would be: SFG, MIL, COL, ATL, and MIA. Only the Braves would be repeating playoff appearances!


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    It is amazing how quickly revenue sharing and the new CBA rules have equalized things. I think it is probably an anomoly to a degree. Some teams are going to break out eventually.

     
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    But imagine what $40 - $50 mil a year in revenue sharing is doing for some teams now. They can afford to keep a David Price for example, even with very few fans coming to the games. Teams like KC can spend a little.


    At this point the team I'm most worried about in our division is Baltimore. Those guys are gonna hit and if they can get some decent pitching from Gausman and Bundy by the time the playoffs come around, with Machado producing as well, they could go on a run.

     
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    So, do you think we recover by gametime? Are we throwing in the towel or what!


    I still think we run away with it.


    Are any of you guys digging Choo now?


     


     

     
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    I really like Choo and spoke of the advantage of signing an OF'er, instead of a 1Bman (Move Middy and/or Cecchini to 1B and Bogey to 3B), but the cost was very high, and his L/R splits have been very very wide.


    Sure, I'd love to have him on our team, but I think the cost was too high.


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    He was a good target though. He is producing for Texas. We don't know what these guys are going to get before they sign the dotted line. I think the Redsox will be more inclined to spend when they are not right up against the luxury tax limit so much. Lots of guys are coming off the books in the next couple years.


    Mookie with 2 more hits and a walk already today. Ok, Mookie, you are finally my #1!


    The guy is just off the charts good. Can't deny it!


     

     
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    Mookie has a great year last year and then just comes up to AA ball, underage no less, and just demolishes it. Unbelieveable.

     
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    I really like Choo and spoke of the advantage of signing an OF'er, instead of a 1Bman (Move Middy and/or Cecchini to 1B and Bogey to 3B), but the cost was very high, and his L/R splits have been very very wide.


    Sure, I'd love to have him on our team, but I think the cost was too high.


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    Choo would have been a great addition and made the JBJ transition into the starting lineup much easier.  Unfortunately our FO didn't want to pay the price to upgrade the OF which may have been a huge mistake.  The Yankees also overpaid Ells so much Choo's value went much higher than most expected.  As a result Texas landed the best OBP/leadoff guy in baseball who may have more long term worth than Jacoby because of his durability and added power.  I'm not sure what the FO has in mind but I really hope the Gomes, Nava and Carp ERA in RF ends this season.  I due think and hope Grady will improve at the plate.  I also think every day we keep Middy at 3B and Betts 2B in the minors  it does very little to cover our future needs.  I also hope we make things right with Lester sooner rather than later when yet another one of our key players may get stolen away. 

     
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