A Realistic View at 2014: Part II

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    Bringing up Betts now and expecting him to turn this team around is not realistic. 


    JBJ, Bogaerts, and WMB all crushed AA/AAA pitching before they reached the majors and have had growing pains.  Why would Betts, who is skipping two levels, NOT ONE, do any better???


    First lets see if he can play ss, and let him do it in AAA where he will see better pitching.  If he is still tearing it up by the end of July there then lets talk about a place for him.


    But that isn't realistic either, because the Red Sox just moved him to CF.  That means, they view his future in the outfield.  So a realistic view, if there is one where Betts is on this team this year.....is likely in the outfield. 

     
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    Bringing up Betts now and expecting him to turn this team around is not realistic.


    I'm not for bringing him up right now, but mostly for the reason that he is not ready to play any position at the ML: level,except 2B.



    JBJ, Bogaerts, and WMB all crushed AA/AAA pitching before they reached the majors and have had growing pains. Why would Betts, who is skipping two levels, NOT ONE, do any better???


    Some players are good enough to jump 2 levels. Maybe Betts is not one, but at this point, I can't see him doing worse than a .600 OPS.


    Middy did not "crush" AA (.865) or AAA (.788).


    JBJ did not crush either AA (.809) or AAA (.849)


    Bogaerts crushed AA (.922), but not AAA (.822)


    Betts hit .966 last year in A+ and is over 1.000 now in AA. I know he is young. I know his AA sample size is small, but if he had a position to fill, I'd give him a shot sooner rather than later.


    You are right though, I do not expect him to lead us to the promise land single-handedly. I do, hoever, think there is a good chance he does better than Middy or whoever plays LF for us going forward.



    First lets see if he can play ss, and let him do it in AAA where he will see better pitching. If he is still tearing it up by the end of July there then lets talk about a place for him.


    Fair enough, but he needs to play SS, 3B, LF or CF everyday until then.



    But that isn't realistic either, because the Red Sox just moved him to CF. That means, they view his future in the outfield. So a realistic view, if there is one where Betts is on this team this year.....is likely in the outfield.


    Yes...LF.


    I said before that if the Sox felt he could be a MLB SS, he would not have been moved off that position already.


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    Bringing up Betts now and expecting him to turn this team around is not realistic.




     




    I'm not for bringing him up right now, but mostly for the reason that he is not ready to play any position at the ML: level,except 2B.




     





    JBJ, Bogaerts, and WMB all crushed AA/AAA pitching before they reached the majors and have had growing pains. Why would Betts, who is skipping two levels, NOT ONE, do any better???




     




    Some players are good enough to jump 2 levels. Maybe Betts is not one, but at this point, I can't see him doing worse than a .600 OPS.




     




    Middy did not "crush" AA (.865) or AAA (.788).




     




    JBJ did not crush either AA (.809) or AAA (.849)




     




    Bogaerts crushed AA (.922), but not AAA (.822)




     




    Betts hit .966 last year in A+ and is over 1.000 now in AA. I know he is young. I know his AA sample size is small, but if he had a position to fill, I'd give him a shot sooner rather than later.




     




    You are right though, I do not expect him to lead us to the promise land single-handedly. I do, hoever, think there is a good chance he does better than Middy or whoever plays LF for us going forward.




     





    First lets see if he can play ss, and let him do it in AAA where he will see better pitching. If he is still tearing it up by the end of July there then lets talk about a place for him.




     




    Fair enough, but he needs to play SS, 3B, LF or CF everyday until then.




     





    But that isn't realistic either, because the Red Sox just moved him to CF. That means, they view his future in the outfield. So a realistic view, if there is one where Betts is on this team this year.....is likely in the outfield.




     




    Yes...LF.




     




    I said before that if the Sox felt he could be a MLB SS, he would not have been moved off that position already.




     




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    Perhaps "crushing" is a bit of an overstatement, a subjective term but i will give you that.  My point was, they both hit AAA pitching very well. It also depends on how you look at it, WMB at the time he reached the majors he had a 1.057 OPS in Pawtucket that year and a n .865 in Portland the year before, Bogaerts was at .909 in Portland before being brought up to Pawtucket, and while a .822 OPS in Pawtucket might not be "crushing it" it's still very good and very impressive for a 20 year old in AAA in his first 200 at bats. 


     


     


    Point is, players see a drop off when they jump levels, sometimes they don't but when they skip a level they see a drop off more often and more drastically. 


     


    I still think it is unrealistic to expect someone in AA to be able to contribute to this team.  Could it happen? yes it is plausible, but not anymore plausible that guys who proved themselves a whole level above Betts should start turning it on.


     


    I agree LF is his likely destination, although they will give him some time in Center first.  Because if he can handle center he will hold much more value, and if his place is in LF it will be much easier to slide him over there from CF.  If SS was in his future, or 3B I think they would have kept him or moved him in the infield.  All things considered Betts future is in the outfield (at least in Boston)


     


    From everything I've heard, the only thing keeping Betts away from SS is his arm, which reportedly isn't a bad arm, it just isn't an above average one.

     
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    You know what stops all the problems, Good Pitching.

     
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    Moon, I have followed your reasoning in the past about positioning guys in the minors where we need them in the future, and here we are.  A perfect example.  I wouldn't quake at putting MB at 2nd and letting Pedey go to SS.  But if his future is the OF, then by all means put him in LF right now.  Do we really have anything to lose?  Are our LF numbers going to go down?  Also, I am not expecting MB to be a savior or perform miracles or save the team.  I think he can supply a spark, put Pedey back in the lineup where he probably feels more comfortable, and offer a chance to check out how he might do.  If he starts to struggle, we can always send him back down.  The point is, I for one don't like the "lets take our licks and let the kids grow" this year and throw most of the season away.  I believe we can still win this thing but not the way we're playing right now.  I don't believe in living in the past or lolling on last winter's wish list, but I only wanted one thing last winter: a big outfield bat.  OK, move on, this is where we are.  I'm not really overly worried either Moon because we're still pretty close to the pack, but the team looks like it could really use a little a little shake up, a little dazzle.  It's a bunch of little things but maybe we miss our leadoff guy even more than we thought we would.  I'm not down on our guys, just think we need to make some moves soon.  I'm not for waiting until July.  As to pitching, I'm not really worried about that at all as I think our pitching coaches and manager are on top of that and that has been pretty good; at the same time, depth is supposed to be our thing so maybe lets use some of it and let some guys know they just don't get paraded out the whole year if they're not showing any progress. 

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    Perhaps "crushing" is a bit of an overstatement, a subjective term but i will give you that. My point was, they both hit AAA pitching very well. It also depends on how you look at it, WMB at the time he reached the majors he had a 1.057 OPS in Pawtucket that year and a n .865 in Portland the year before, Bogaerts was at .909 in Portland before being brought up to Pawtucket, and while a .822 OPS in Pawtucket might not be "crushing it" it's still very good and very impressive for a 20 year old in AAA in his first 200 at bats.

    I don't see .822 as very good for AAA. I see .855 to .900 as good, .900 to .950 as very good and .950+ as crushing, but let's not argue about subjective criteria. The point is, not one of the 3 guys you listed was hitting like Betts for this long of a stretch. Betts just seems like he might be the type of player that can hit anywhere.

    Again, I am no expert on prospects. It's just that it is getting close to the "what do we have to lose" point.

     


    Point is, players see a drop off when they jump levels, sometimes they don't but when they skip a level they see a drop off more often and more drastically.

    While true, even a drop off of 250 points on his OPS is still better than what we have in LF, CF and 3B.

    I still think it is unrealistic to expect someone in AA to be able to contribute to this team. Could it happen? yes it is plausible, but not anymore plausible that guys who proved themselves a whole level above Betts should start turning it on.

    Again, I'm not expecting him to hit .800 the first few months in the bigs. I have stated I think Cechini should get the first look. I'd like to see them promote him to AAA now and let him play LF and CF almost exclusively. Maybe by August, he could get a shot, if nobody else is showing any improvement. 

    I do not think it is unwise to think he could come up and help by mid-July, if he gets enough reps in the OF.

    I agree LF is his likely destination, although they will give him some time in Center first. Because if he can handle center he will hold much more value, and if his place is in LF it will be much easier to slide him over there from CF. If SS was in his future, or 3B I think they would have kept him or moved him in the infield. All things considered Betts future is in the outfield (at least in Boston).

    I get the advantage of learning CF well and then sliding over to LF, but we have to think about where we need help the most. I have given up on Gomes more than JBJ right now.

    From everything I've heard, the only thing keeping Betts away from SS is his arm, which reportedly isn't a bad arm, it just isn't an above average one.

    Let him play OF everyday with extra OF workouts.

    Why didn't we do this starting last winter?

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    You know what stops all the problems, Good Pitching.[/QUOTE][object HTMLDivElement]

    We have the best pitching WAR in MLB. We need more to be among the top favorites.

     
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    Moon, I have followed your reasoning in the past about positioning guys in the minors where we need them in the future, and here we are. A perfect example. I wouldn't quake at putting MB at 2nd and letting Pedey go to SS. But if his future is the OF, then by all means put him in LF right now. Do we really have anything to lose? Are our LF numbers going to go down? Also, I am not expecting MB to be a savior or perform miracles or save the team. I think he can supply a spark, put Pedey back in the lineup where he probably feels more comfortable, and offer a chance to check out how he might do. If he starts to struggle, we can always send him back down. The point is, I for one don't like the "lets take our licks and let the kids grow" this year and throw most of the season away. I believe we can still win this thing but not the way we're playing right now. I don't believe in living in the past or lolling on last winter's wish list, but I only wanted one thing last winter: a big outfield bat. OK, move on, this is where we are. I'm not really overly worried either Moon because we're still pretty close to the pack, but the team looks like it could really use a little a little shake up, a little dazzle. It's a bunch of little things but maybe we miss our leadoff guy even more than we thought we would. I'm not down on our guys, just think we need to make some moves soon. I'm not for waiting until July. As to pitching, I'm not really worried about that at all as I think our pitching coaches and manager are on top of that and that has been pretty good; at the same time, depth is supposed to be our thing so maybe lets use some of it and let some guys know they just don't get paraded out the whole year if they're not showing any progress.

    Critter

    Well put, crit. I have nothing to argue with here.

    I do sense less enthusiasm this year. I've never been one to tout team chemistry as a major plus to a team, and I never viewed Ellsbury, Drew or Salty as vital to our team chemistry, but to me, we have pretty close to the same team as 2013. I think missing Vic really magnified the loss of Ellsbury. They were our one-two punch last year when healthy. 

    I think Papi will hit 30-100+ gain. I think Napoli will get hot again. I think Pedey will end up with better numbers than last year. Then there is Vic. Nobody knows how much he can play from here on out, but we need him strong to have a good shot at making a serious run. The other 4 are not doing as well as last year's "other 4", except 3B has been equally bad. AJ P is not Salty on offense, and I have yet to see a big influence on defense, although his CERA looks fine. Bogey vs Drew. I'll take the better defense, but we certainly are not losing because we replaced Drew with Bogey. LF is killing us. CF offense is not helping.

    Timely hitting is not something you can plan for, trade for, or keep consistently good. I have to think things will even out there. I am not feeling like we are a top 3-5 offense like I thought we might be this past winter, but I still think, if healthy, we can finish top 4-6 with no additions to the 40 man roster.

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    again Mookies stretch is across Single A and less than 200 at bats in AA.  While those guys might not have put up the same numbers they were still putting up good numbers and saw a drop when transitioned to the majors.

    All I'm saying is Mookie would probably see a large drop in production if he was promoted tomorrow.  I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't even hit .250.  I see him as a .300 guy but not right now.  

     
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    Every time we rush a guy, we see the same result.  Just because Mookies numbers are better two levels down doesn't mean that he is the chosen one that will come up to Boston and hit right away.  Again it would not be unprecedented if he did, but history has favored players hitting an adjustment period when called up to the majors.....and even more so when they skip two levels. 

     
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    again Mookies stretch is across Single A and less than 200 at bats in AA.  While those guys might not have put up the same numbers they were still putting up good numbers and saw a drop when transitioned to the majors.


    All I'm saying is Mookie would probably see a large drop in production if he was promoted tomorrow.  I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't even hit .250.  I see him as a .300 guy but not right now.  

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    Fair enough, and I do not think our positions are that far apart.


    I am not for bringing him up right now, unless Pedey gets hurt at 2B.


    I do see more of a chance of him being able to make a double skip than you, I guess.


     

     
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    Every time we rush a guy, we see the same result.  Just because Mookies numbers are better two levels down doesn't mean that he is the chosen one that will come up to Boston and hit right away.  Again it would not be unprecedented if he did, but history has favored players hitting an adjustment period when called up to the majors.....and even more so when they skip two levels. [/QUOTE][object HTMLDivElement]

    We rarely rush anyone.

     

     
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    Every time we rush a guy, we see the same result.  Just because Mookies numbers are better two levels down doesn't mean that he is the chosen one that will come up to Boston and hit right away.  Again it would not be unprecedented if he did, but history has favored players hitting an adjustment period when called up to the majors.....and even more so when they skip two levels. [/QUOTE][object HTMLDivElement]

    We rarely rush anyone.

     

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    No we don't.  I don't think they want to rush Mookie either, which may be why they moved him to CF.  They had to do something, he was just not being challenged at all.  Moving him to CF buys them a little bit more time in Portland, but if he keeps this up he will be part of the early promotions this year.  

    He has cooled off a bit, over the last couple of weeks he's been around a .300 hitter.  

    Of course anytime you cool off and still put up a .324/.444/.514 that is saying alot.

    I do think Mookie could be one of those guys who are able to make that AA-MLB jumps but I still think best case scenario he will see some kind of dramatic drop in production.  Even if his avg fell 100 points he would still be one of our best hitters, and I think it would at least be that.  If he could bat .260 right now with an .750 OPS that would be really really really impressive for someone his age. 

    I'm a huge prospect homer, and I'll be placing my Bets (pun fully intended) on Mookie being a .300 hitter in the big leagues, but if he was called up right now I wouldn't be surprised if he could do no better than .240 his first couple of months. 

    All the intangibles he brings between versatility and speed on the base paths could come in handy by seasons end, but we would have to burn a roster spot on the 40 man as well when he isn't even eligible this year.

    So because he is not eligible for the 40 man yet I think it would be a waste of a spot to bring him up unless we were certain we were ready to plug him in there every day as a starter. 

    IMHO the only way Mookie sees time in Boston this year is if he is still mashing the ball in a couple months from now.  That means he is still batting north of .360 and an OPS north of .900  

    A lot could happen between now and then though.  I didn't think there was a chance in the world Drew would be back with this team a couple of months ago and I was wrong there.  I would LOVE to be wrong here, I would love for Mookie to come up and take the league by storm, and if the Sox call him up I won't complain about it and I will definitely root for him.....I just don't think it will happen. 

     
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    Thanks Moon.  I just read that we've resigned Drew!  Evidently the people upstairs as well as the people in the seats saw that it was time to do something.  I think this accomplishes something positive: Drew to SS and Bogie to 3rd.  Does this mean Drew would leadoff?  Didn't he hit at the end of the order last year?  I'm just not crazy about Pedey leading off and I think your point is the order gets lengthened if he bats 3rd.  I think I would still bring up MB and try him in left.  Hugh, you may be right, I don't discount your point, but I don't see why we couldn't give it a try for a short term.  As long as he's successful, let him go.  If he struggles, put him back down.  I think Tito used to be good at pulling up a guy, letting him have a little success with the big team, and then sending him back down.  It might even be a good thing like, "This is where I need to be better."  I agree with someone on another site (Hill?) who says we still need to go get an outfielder with some pop.  I think we've got some leaders on this team too who can point people in the right direction. 

    As an aside, does this sign indicate FO is no longer enthralled with the left side as is or just a reaction to Middie's injury?  This should surely tighten up our D and add a spark. 

    Critter

     
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    Every time we rush a guy, we see the same result.  Just because Mookies numbers are better two levels down doesn't mean that he is the chosen one that will come up to Boston and hit right away.  Again it would not be unprecedented if he did, but history has favored players hitting an adjustment period when called up to the majors.....and even more so when they skip two levels. [/QUOTE][object HTMLDivElement]

    We rarely rush anyone.[/QUOTE]


    No we don't.  I don't think they want to rush Mookie either, which may be why they moved him to CF.  They had to do something, he was just not being challenged at all.  Moving him to CF buys them a little bit more time in Portland, but if he keeps this up he will be part of the early promotions this year.  

    He has cooled off a bit, over the last couple of weeks he's been around a .300 hitter.  

    Of course anytime you cool off and still put up a .324/.444/.514 that is saying alot.

    I do think Mookie could be one of those guys who are able to make that AA-MLB jumps but I still think best case scenario he will see some kind of dramatic drop in production.  Even if his avg fell 100 points he would still be one of our best hitters, and I think it would at least be that.  If he could bat .260 right now with an .750 OPS that would be really really really impressive for someone his age. 

    I'm a huge prospect homer, and I'll be placing my Bets (pun fully intended) on Mookie being a .300 hitter in the big leagues, but if he was called up right now I wouldn't be surprised if he could do no better than .240 his first couple of months. 

    All the intangibles he brings between versatility and speed on the base paths could come in handy by seasons end, but we would have to burn a roster spot on the 40 man as well when he isn't even eligible this year.

    So because he is not eligible for the 40 man yet I think it would be a waste of a spot to bring him up unless we were certain we were ready to plug him in there every day as a starter. 

    IMHO the only way Mookie sees time in Boston this year is if he is still mashing the ball in a couple months from now.  That means he is still batting north of .360 and an OPS north of .900  

    A lot could happen between now and then though.  I didn't think there was a chance in the world Drew would be back with this team a couple of months ago and I was wrong there.  I would LOVE to be wrong here, I would love for Mookie to come up and take the league by storm, and if the Sox call him up I won't complain about it and I will definitely root for him.....I just don't think it will happen. [/QUOTE][object HTMLDivElement]

    Great reply, and I forgot about the 40 man roster issue.

    In hindsight, I wish we had started Mookie in the OF day one this year (or even some last year). Then, maybe we could be moving him to AAA right now.b That might have allowed us to better judge, if he is ready for the next step- sooner rather than later.

     
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    Thanks Moon.  I just read that we've resigned Drew!  Evidently the people upstairs as well as the people in the seats saw that it was time to do something.  I think this accomplishes something positive: Drew to SS and Bogie to 3rd.  Does this mean Drew would leadoff?  Didn't he hit at the end of the order last year?  I'm just not crazy about Pedey leading off and I think your point is the order gets lengthened if he bats 3rd.  I think I would still bring up MB and try him in left.  Hugh, you may be right, I don't discount your point, but I don't see why we couldn't give it a try for a short term.  As long as he's successful, let him go.  If he struggles, put him back down.  I think Tito used to be good at pulling up a guy, letting him have a little success with the big team, and then sending him back down.  It might even be a good thing like, "This is where I need to be better."  I agree with someone on another site (Hill?) who says we still need to go get an outfielder with some pop.  I think we've got some leaders on this team too who can point people in the right direction. 

    As an aside, does this sign indicate FO is no longer enthralled with the left side as is or just a reaction to Middie's injury?  This should surely tighten up our D and add a spark. 

    Critter[/QUOTE][object HTMLDivElement]

    I hope we have enough money left over to get a big bat to hit 4th or 5th. With Drew at SS and Bogey at 3B, and out staff, I think that puts us in the top 6 teams going for a ring (on paper).

     
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    According to a Herald article from earlier this year, I added Drew's contract and came up with this:

     Luxury Tax Numbers:

    David Ortiz: $17 million
    John Lackey: $16.5 million
    Jake Peavy: $16.5 million
    Mike Napoli: $16 million
    Dustin Pedroia: $13.3 million
    Ryan Dempster: $13.25 million
    Shane Victorino: $13 million

    Stephen Drew $10.2 million


    Jon Lester: $9.37 million
    A.J. Pierzynski: $8.25 million
    Clay Buchholz: $7.75 million
    Jonny Gomes: $5 million
    Edward Mujica: $4.75 million
    Koji Uehara: $4.25 million
    Craig Breslow: $3.13 million
    David Ross: $3.1 million
    Burke Badenhop: $2.15 million                                                                           Chris Capuano $2.3M, 

    Andrew Miller $1.9 million,Mike Carp: $1.4 million, Jonathan Herrera: $1.3 million, Junichi Tazawa: $1.275 million, Doubront $0.586 million, Nava $0.557million, Middlebrooks $0.541 million, Workman $0.518 million, Bogaerts $0.517M, Bradley $0.502M, Wright $0.502M

    Sizemore $0.75 million(+$1.25 Roster bonuses & 4M performance bones) 

    Estimated Call-ups pay: $5 million

    Player  TOTAL: ~$181 Million

     

    + $11M for benefits (insurance and benefits)

    + 3.9M to the Dodgers

    Total Estimated 2014 Red Sox Luxury Tax Budget: ~$196 million

    (assuming Sizemore and others do not reach their bonus qualifications)

     

    I've seen different numbers on different sites, but I think we are either over the limit or too close to add anyone else without going over.

     

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    Antbody hear who will be sent down or cut to make room for Drew?

    Sox4ever

     
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    What outfield bat could be a realistic trade target for the Red Sox?

    The market might be thin because a contending team is unlikely to trade away a starting outfielder. The Red Sox probably can't fit an established outfielder's salary with in the luxury tax limits.

    The likes of outfielders Scott Van Slyke, Jose Tabata and Michael Choice are unlikely to be difference-makers.

     
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    What outfield bat could be a realistic trade target for the Red Sox?

    The market might be thin because a contending team is unlikely to trade away a starting outfielder. The Red Sox probably can't fit an established outfielder's salary with in the luxury tax limits.

    The likes of outfielders Scott Van Slyke, Jose Tabata and Michael Choice are unlikely to be difference-makers.[/QUOTE] [object HTMLDivElement]

    I was thinking at the trade deadline. By then several teams will be out of it and in seller mode. There will almost certainly be an OF'er (or 3Bman) available.

    Here are some possible salary dumps or other notable targets possibly available at the deadline - listed by teams with the worst record right now...

    Houston: C Jason  Castro

    Cubs: SS Starlin Castro

    Arizona: 1b/LF Mark Trumbo, UT Eric Chavez (as a bridge), one of their young SSs.

    Pittsburgh: none

    Tampa Bay: OF Matt Joyce

    Philadelphia: 2b to 3B??? Chase Utley, SS Jimmy Rollins, OF M Byrd, P C Lee

    NY Mets: none (David Wright would be way too expensive)

    Cincy: 3B Todd Frazier, OF Jay Bruce, SP J Cueto

    SD: 3B Chase Headley, OF Seth Smith

    Texas: OF A Rios, 3B Kouzmanoff

    KCR: OF A Gordon, 3B Moustakas (struggling), P Shields

    CWS: SS Alexei Ramirez

    MN: none

    MIA: OF Stanton, 3B C McGehee, OF Reed Johnson, RP S Cishek

    TOR: not going to happen

    Maybe Colorado:  Cuddyer

     

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part II

    We basically have no money left. I don't see a trade for a worthy OF. That boat has floated. It looks like the season is even floating away at this point. It's not that we are that far behind. It's that we seem to be falling apart at the seams. Doubront on the shelf. Buchholz looking hurt still big time. Peavy throwing up gopher balls. That right there ruins the season. 3/5 of the rotation in the tank. And they were projected to be good.

    And the bats just are not there. I've been wanting them to just put Xander in the 3 slot for a while. We might as well ride the horse of the future. He's our best bet going forward. He's still getting on base quite well. A more aggressive approach and we might have that 20 HR bat again. Having Papi hitting behind him would seem to be a good thing. When it gets tight, they seem to pitch around him now. I say slot him in the 3rd slot and be done with it. 

    What's the worst that can happen. We don't win games? We've lost 6 games in a row folks.

    We've got to find a way to stop the bleeding and I don't think Drew is much help overall. It's just that Middlebrooks is probably out for a while. And so far he has not produced but it's still only about 80 AB and he has been injured quite a bit. 

    Let's bring up Betts to AAA and give him some PT in CF and maybe SS. At some point we will need him ready even if it's next year.

    Cechinni has been struggling recently. I don't think they saw him as near ready to help them at 3rd base. That must have been discouraging all around. I bet they did not want to bring Drew back but the pick was lost effectively already.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part II

    Without good starting pitching we are nothing. And the bat situation is even worse. I think I would consider just releasing Sizemore at this point. We have tried. It hasn't worked. We could keep trying but is he our best bet at this point? I don't think so. The current situation is Farrell probably has a lot of hesitation to dump the guy who helped his career so much in Cleveland. He was his star development. Now we have extreme loyalty towards Sizemore. An interpersonal debt to pay. It's yet another problem which needs to be addressed. Do I have faith it will be addressed any time soon? No. I don't.

    The collective OF is hitting at near replacement level except for Victorino. And he can't stay on the field. 3rd base has been a sink hole. Our catcher can't catch very well or get on base much. It's ugly.

    I'm beginning to think we can't turn it around. Drew was a last gasp effort. I don't think it turns the Titantic around.

    A lot can change in a month. Wow.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part II

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Finally off the schnied with a win today! It was beautiful day at the Jet as the Sox defeated a Baltimore team that didn't even closely resemble the team that will line up in Baltimore on the 31st. Jemile Weeks, the second baseman, is the only Oriole in today's lineup with a chance of being on the opening day starting lineup. Nonetheless, Felix Doubront went through their lineup like butter, allowing only one bloop single. The best part about his outing was that he consistently threw strikes.

    Doubie problem has always been BBs (and high WHIP). The guy has some nasty stuff and a ton of potential.

     

    Mujica aslo threw well, as did Layne and Ramirez. I was very unimpressed with Ramirez the other day against college kids, but he looked like a professional pitcher today. I don't know where Layne fits in, but a lefty who throws strikes and can move the ball around can always get a job in MLB. For now I guess he's Pawtucket depth.

    Yes, AAA depth with a lot of experience.

     

    The offense came to life some today, led by a Napoli bomb and consistent hard contact by Pedey, Bogey and Bradley Jr.. Bogey hit a gapper into right-center and flew out of the box thinking double all the way and he got there easily. Not many players double on that play, especially in ST. He was rewarded later when Bradley stroked a two-out run-scoring hit. Brentz continued to show me that he is a AAA player at best with a bad base-running play. He was on first when Gomes hit a shot off the left center wall and he paused halfway between first and second. There was a question as to whether or not the ball could be caught, but it was clearly deep enough to at least go to second and then react on to third or back to first. Instead Gomes settled for a 380 foot single and we had runners on first and second. It was a play my highschoolers know how to make.

    I've never been as high on Brentz as many here have been, but he's got power and still has time to learn.

     

    Conversely Gomes deked Delmon the doofus Young into only going from second to third on a long fly that hit high on the left-field wall. It cost the O's a run and allowed Wilson to pitch out of the inning and pick up the win, as Nap hit his two-run bomb in the bottom of the inning. Heiker Menenses, my new favorite baseball name, made a good baserunning play tagging to go from first to second on a long drive by Snyder, who hit the ball well twice. Heiker also let a grounder go through the five hole to put Baltimore on the board. We were gone by the time Baltimore scored five off of guys named Couch and Kepht(sp?). We did stick around long enough to see Yaz' grandson ground out in the top of the eighth; he got a nice reception from the crowd.

    How old are we, when we can now watch a grandson of Yaz play?

    Geeesh!

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    Unfortunately none of our young arms have developed enough to help our rotation and there are a couple we can probably afford to package as well.  Doub also doesn't appear to be getting much better and Clay looks like he needs TJ.  Like I keep saying we can only let guys develop just so long before they end up having little to no trade value to another club if they don't improve and three that jump out to me are Lav, Middy and Doub.

    I'm still on the fence with JBJ as well.  He's still very young has some solid defensive skills but little power and doesn't look very good overall offensively.

     
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    Re: A Realistic View at 2014: Part II

    Every time we rush a guy, we see the same result...

    Give examples. I always thought the biggest gripe against Sox management has been we don't give our kids a shot early enough.

    Sox4ever

     

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