A Realistic View at 2014: Part II

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    Looking like the Red Sox are heeding the calls of Moon and others about increasing the fielding versatility of some players, esp. those blocked because of position.  Holt now, Lava playing first, Betts playing center.  Smart, and why not?  Probably the wave of the future, sure helps one's chances of making the show.

     
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    It's kind of a shame to me if we bring in Drew and we sit Holt when he is playing well. At least they are thinking of using him in other slots. I think that is great news.

     
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    Looking like the Red Sox are heeding the calls of Moon and others about increasing the fielding versatility of some players, esp. those blocked because of position.  Holt now, Lava playing first, Betts playing center.  Smart, and why not?  Probably the wave of the future, sure helps one's chances of making the show. [/QUOTE]



    I also called for de la Rosa to start ahead of any prospect, including Workman. I looked right tonight!

     
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    Looking like the Red Sox are heeding the calls of Moon and others about increasing the fielding versatility of some players, esp. those blocked because of position.  Holt now, Lava playing first, Betts playing center.  Smart, and why not?  Probably the wave of the future, sure helps one's chances of making the show. [/QUOTE]



    I also called for de la Rosa to start ahead of any prospect, including Workman. I looked right tonight!

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    Me too Moon.  The kid showed us tonight whey he was originally regarded higher than Webster in the 2012 trade.

    It's funny because RDLR might be the kind of prospect that we would all be sick of by now in LA.  Flashed big time potential, then disappeared due to injury only to come back and show mixed results for a year.

    But last year he wasn't fully removed from injury after barely throwing 10 innings in 2012.  This year he seems to be what people once hoped he was.

    He kind of reminds me of the path Michael Pineda took, of course hopefully without the pine tar and the reoccurrence of injury.

     
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    Looking like the Red Sox are heeding the calls of Moon and others about increasing the fielding versatility of some players, esp. those blocked because of position.  Holt now, Lava playing first, Betts playing center.  Smart, and why not?  Probably the wave of the future, sure helps one's chances of making the show. [/QUOTE]



    I also called for de la Rosa to start ahead of any prospect, including Workman. I looked right tonight!

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    Me too Moon.  The kid showed us tonight whey he was originally regarded higher than Webster in the 2012 trade.

    It's funny because RDLR might be the kind of prospect that we would all be sick of by now in LA.  Flashed big time potential, then disappeared due to injury only to come back and show mixed results for a year.

    But last year he wasn't fully removed from injury after barely throwing 10 innings in 2012.  This year he seems to be what people once hoped he was.

    He kind of reminds me of the path Michael Pineda took, of course hopefully without the pine tar and the reoccurrence of injury.

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    I always thought Rubby had the best stuff not Webster.  Renaudo also deserves a chance as does Barnes just to see how they perform.  You can learn a lot about a youngster when they finally get the opportunity to play or pitch at the big league level where it really counts most. 

     
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    Looking like the Red Sox are heeding the calls of Moon and others about increasing the fielding versatility of some players, esp. those blocked because of position.  Holt now, Lava playing first, Betts playing center.  Smart, and why not?  Probably the wave of the future, sure helps one's chances of making the show. [/QUOTE]



    I also called for de la Rosa to start ahead of any prospect, including Workman. I looked right tonight!

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    Me too Moon.  The kid showed us tonight whey he was originally regarded higher than Webster in the 2012 trade.

    It's funny because RDLR might be the kind of prospect that we would all be sick of by now in LA.  Flashed big time potential, then disappeared due to injury only to come back and show mixed results for a year.

    But last year he wasn't fully removed from injury after barely throwing 10 innings in 2012.  This year he seems to be what people once hoped he was.

    He kind of reminds me of the path Michael Pineda took, of course hopefully without the pine tar and the reoccurrence of injury.

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    you forgot the reoccurrence of pine tar. ;)

     

     
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    Man I hate it when I have to work and can't see a game like the one today because it's on national TV. It's almost worth it to get cable in the office. MLB.com is worthless during blackout games.

    Here is to hoping Rubby emerges today. Just keep them under 3 runs and 5 innings and I'll be happy even though there is little indication they will be able to hit Oridozzi well.

    Bogaerts is becoming the stud we all hoped he would be. That fielding play he made late in the game was solid and his bat has been excellent recently.

    Lots of data indicating he's for real. He's 6 for 10 on fastballs above 95 MPH. The guy has tremendous bat speed. And a whole lot of pop which he just now is coming into. I like his more aggressive recent approach but he needs to watch it because pitchers will adjust to him and give him nothing to hit. Slotting him at least 2nd in the lineup was long overdue. I think we should just go ahead and put him in the 3 slot. His aggressive approach will play better with Papi hitting after him.

    I have no problem with Bogaerts as our SS for the next 10 years. I think he would have been fine. The data still indicates he would be about average defensively and great offensively for a SS. He's not Tulo but he is maybe the next best hitting SS going forward.

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    I know the Sox did what they had to do at the time, but lumping all the rookies ( Inc. Middy as he's still a newbie at least ) together at the bottom of the order and have them battle it out wasn't working short term and I doubt long term. I guess it's one of the problems with bringing up so much youth at the same time & still expecting to win too. You want to string together hits in hope to score more runs so they did the most logical thing but.... 

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    Looking like the Red Sox are heeding the calls of Moon and others about increasing the fielding versatility of some players, esp. those blocked because of position.  Holt now, Lava playing first, Betts playing center.  Smart, and why not?  Probably the wave of the future, sure helps one's chances of making the show. [/QUOTE]



    I also called for de la Rosa to start ahead of any prospect, including Workman. I looked right tonight!

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    I caught the game from the 4th Inn on. Rubby looked brilliant throwing strikes, economical, great FB, no Walks, with a, in Maddon's words "Bugs Bunny Change-up ". The team needed an instant big return on him and they got it. Should we be thanking Pedro right about now? Maybe?

     
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    I always thought Rubby had the best stuff not Webster. Renaudo also deserves a chance as does Barnes just to see how they perform. You can learn a lot about a youngster when they finally get the opportunity to play or pitch at the big league level where it really counts most.

    Well, Peavy's slot will be open next year. I hope Lester's isn't.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Where are all the threads about how Bogaerts must be traded while he still has some value left, and Holt having five errors? 
    Winning cures a lot of ills. 

     
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    2.5 from the wild card.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Next year's rotation is wildly in question.

    Other than Lackey playing for the league minimum, which some question him doing, the rest of the rotation is basically unknown.

    Lester could walk as a free agent. W'd gain a draft pick, but we'd lose an almost irreplaceable part of our team. I hope we keep him. I'd offer somewhere around $100M/5 with a club option 6th year at $15M with a $5M buyout, so basically $105M/5 or $115M/6.

    Buchholz still can pitch, but who knows what's up with him, and if he'll ever be healthy for a whole year.

    Doubront has some nasty stuff, but I'm about at the end of my rope with him. I've suggested trading him since the first time he came to camp out of shape, but he kept on giving me bits of hope here and there. Certainly we can all agree we can't count on him for 2015, but there's a chance he can prove me wrong. 

    We'd probably be lucky if one of Buch or Doubie can give us a full and decent season next year, so we really need a minimum of  3-4 quality starters, if Lester walks or 2-3 if he stays. My guess is we sign at least one decent to excellent SP'er next winter, so that might leave 2-3 slots open for these guys to win:

    De la Rosa

    Workman

    Ranaudo

    Barnes

    Webster

    Britton

    Owens

    I think there's a great chance 2 of these guys can become "the real deal", but it may take some trial and error and some developmental patience to make it happen, and when your on a team like the Sox that might be hard to accomplish. If we are to remain a top contending team, I find it hard to imagine us handing 2 rotation slots to unproven prospects and youngsters a year after handing 3 positional full-time slots to 3 youngsters.

    It would be nice if de la Rosa could win a slot this year by continuing pitching well. That would allow the 7 from the list above to compete for 1 slot not 2.

    Anyways, this thread is supposed to be about this year. I hope de la Rosa can make us forget about Doubront or Buch's health and well being.

     

     

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    Nothing wrong with Buchholtz a little beer and fried chicken wouldn't cure. 

     
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    Travis Shaw has jumped from #42 to #20 on soxprospects.com.

    He's hitting .398 in the minors this year with a .940 OPS (11 Hrs and 39 RBI in 203 ABs).

    His .736 OPS last year was troubling, but he did have a .915 OPS in 2012.

    He was my "sleeper prospect" from a couple years ago.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Gotta like Bogey's .391 OBP and an OPS rising over .830!

    Sox4ever

     
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    Mookie Betts was promoted to Pawtucket.  As I said earlier on this thread, he was in no way going to be rushed from Portland to Boston....however if he continues to tear it up in AAA he could get there later in the year. 

     
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    Mookie Betts was promoted to Pawtucket.  As I said earlier on this thread, he was in no way going to be rushed from Portland to Boston....however if he continues to tear it up in AAA he could get there later in the year. 

    Well, if he just spends a short time in AAA, one could still call it a "rush".

    With an OF hitting dead last in MLB (.614 OPS), I could see it happening. With Vic in doubt this year, the chances rise. I also still think we should have given Cecchini some reps in LF at the AAA level.

    Imagine this line-up...

    1) Betts  CF

    2) Bogey 3B/SS

    3) Pedey 2B

    4) Ortiz DH

    5) Napoli DH

    6) Cecchini LH

    7) Drew SS/Holt 3B

    8) AJ P  C

    9) JBJ RF

     

    If Vic comes back...

    1) Betts CF

    2) Bogey 3B/SS

    3) Pedey 2B

    4) Ortiz DH

    5) Napoli 1B

    6) Vic  RF

    7) Cecchini LF

    8) Drew SS/ Holt 3B

    9) AJ P

     

     

     
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    Mookie Betts was promoted to Pawtucket.  As I said earlier on this thread, he was in no way going to be rushed from Portland to Boston....however if he continues to tear it up in AAA he could get there later in the year. 

    Well, if he just spends a short time in AAA, one could still call it a "rush".

    With an OF hitting dead last in MLB (.614 OPS), I could see it happening. With Vic in doubt this year, the chances rise. I also still think we should have given Cecchini some reps in LF at the AAA level.

    Imagine this line-up...

    1) Betts  CF

    2) Bogey 3B/SS

    3) Pedey 2B

    4) Ortiz DH

    5) Napoli DH

    6) Cecchini LH

    7) Drew SS/Holt 3B

    8) AJ P  C

    9) JBJ RF

     

    If Vic comes back...

    1) Betts CF

    2) Bogey 3B/SS

    3) Pedey 2B

    4) Ortiz DH

    5) Napoli 1B

    6) Vic  RF

    7) Cecchini LF

    8) Drew SS/ Holt 3B

    9) AJ P

     

     

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    I agree, I think they still could rush him.  But I never thought skipping a level was in the cards.  

     
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    I agree, I think they still could rush him. But I never thought skipping a level was in the cards. 

     

    Understood. I think we see him in September for sure- barring injury or struggles in AAA.

    We may see him earlier, if our OF continues at a .614 OPS (4th worst OF OPS since 1920).

     
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    Kevin Thomas
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    Henry Owens (i.e. @______H______O ) needs 9 pitches (7 strikes) for 1-2-3 third. That makes 17 straight scoreless innings for the lefty

     
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    Mike Antonellis
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    Owens with a career-high 8 IP…scoreless streak is 22 consecutive innings, 4th best streak in franchise history.

     

     
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    I still think our farm is strong, even with these players going to the bigs: Bogey, JBJ, de la Rosa, Workman, Holt, and now Hassan.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Doubront quick and easy. Fastball in high 80's, topped at 90 mph. 34 fastballs. 5 change-ups, 3 curves, 1 slider. 9 ground outs. #RedSox

     
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    I've all but given up on Doubie. 

    He's got nasty stuff and awesome potential, but I just can't take it anymore.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Salty is on pace to cost his team 15 runs defensively this year. He has a Rtot/yr of -15 ( total zone metrics ).

    Also hitting .212 in May after a strong start. He is not looking like he was a tough guy to lose. Pierzynskis defense has been a little below average in the same metrics. Salty still has a slight edge with the bat but is trending downward rapidly. 

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    The problem for next year, or one of the problems, is that Pierzynski's ostensible replacement, Vasquez, has an OPS of under .450 last I checked. He should not be promoted with production like that.

    WE ARE ALL JUST POPPYSEEDS IN THE BAKERY OF LIFE

     

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    Vasquez OPS is .650, not great but his defense is outstanding. HIs offense will improve as well, I believe, he has a nice compact swing and just needs more strike zone discipline. Between him and Swihart our catching situation looks very solid going forward.

     

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