A simple fix

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    A simple fix

    Ignore September.  Better still, blame it all on Francona.  Same for the beer in the barracks.  Thanks to the Boston Globe, Channel 7, ESPN, and assorted UN observers, next year's team ain't a gonna drink beer no more, no more.  Next year's manager is not going to have to worry about beer or conditioning or whatever because almost all of that work is being done now.  Mrs. Potts, my 7th grade teacher, could manage these guys next year. 

    Focus on what the team did well and figure out how to keep those strengths.  Do not, repeat, do not clean house.  These guys were the best in the AL with just a month to go. 

    If a deal can be made to lose Lackey, great, but the other three--Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz--are the cornerstone of a good pitching staff in 2012.   Ditto Bard, Aceves, and maybe a couple others.  Make Pap a good offer, but not an insane one.  Get a fourth good starter, but only at a reasonable price, or try to make Aceves or Bard into one.  Maybe Miller, Weiland, or Wakefield can start.  If Lackey stays, use him.  Maybe a new pitching coach can help.  If Mrs. Potts gets the manager's job, issue her a .45 caliber pistol for the one time Lackey says he doesn't want to come out.

    These guys hit the ball well in 2011 and finished with the most runs in MLB.  So keep all you can.  AGon, Youk, Pedroia, Crawford, and Salty/Lavarnway are already on board. 

    Try hard to make a long term deal for Ellsbury, but keep him in any case.    Keep Scutaro one more year unless a great deal for someone else emerges, which is unlikely.  Make a good but not great offer to Big Papi, who will be 36 next month, because he did have a great year and is the best DH in MLB.  If a good hitting righty rightfielder is available for a reasonable price/trade, fine.  Otherwise, use Reddick/Kalish because they can't be any worse than this year.  If Ortiz goes to greener pastures, move Youk to DH and find a new guy for 3B.  If Youk plays 150 or more games thanks to DH'ing and is productive, that alone could make up for the loss of Ortiz regardless of who plays 3B. 
     
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    Re: A simple fix

    Find a manager who is not afraid to discipline his players.

     
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    Keep a nun in the clubhouse.

    All this eating of chicken and drinking beer will stop. And the Sox will win 162 games....you know, like they were supposed to.

    Simple fix.
     
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    That's pretty much what I've been thinking all along, it's excellent to see it put to words (and to see that someone else thinks it). All this "clean house" talk is silly, especially when it involves trading players such as Lester. Ridiculous.
     
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    [QUOTE]Find a manager who is not afraid to discipline his players.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    Perhaps.  But his management style didn't hurt when the Sox were winning.  If his style wore out, it took 8 years to do so.  A real firebrand might last a year or two, but not much longer. 
     
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    no pitching, they will stink again.  they are still a 3rd place team.
     
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    I disagree that Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz are useless--far from it.  Beckett actually had a pretty good year, as did Lester, but neither had enough innings.  All three of them have also pitched well in the past. 

    If the Sox pitching is so horrendous, how in the world did they have the best W-L record in the AL at the end of August?  Yes, the pitching collapsed.  But that also means that before it collapsed it wasn't that bad. 
     
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    [QUOTE]They have to find a number 1 starter. Beckett-no longer Lester-not yet Buchholz-not yet
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE]

    The problem is that there is nobody available via free agency or reasonably viable trade that is better than Beckett, Lester or Buchholz to become the Sox #1 starter.  It's certainly not CJ Wilson and there's no way to justify paying CC Sabathia the kind of money he will demand, especially when his ever expanding girth makes him an injury risk at any time.

    Beckett had a damn good year, until the end.  Chicken and beer allegations aside, he remains the #1 guy.  Hopefully, all of this drama will cause him to look in the mirror and work hard and be really focused this offseason and into next season.
     
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    All RS need for next year is good health. Can't lose the number of starts this team did by its starters and not have an affect. Dice K [lost in May] Buchholz [lost in June] Lester [missed a mos.] Beckett missed 3 starts late and both him and Lester were never the same pitchers after returning from injuries. Can't go into big series late vs. Rays w/ Weiland, Wake, and Lackey pitching 1st 3 games. Not to mention what it did to bullpen, bullpen was shot by end of year. Maybe RS should look at training staff and see if they can do better job conditioning these guys, 2 years in a row the team has been decimated by injuries. Last 2 years who hasn't been hurt? Pedroia/Youk/Lester/Beckett/Buchholz/Lowrie/Scuturo/Ellsbury/Tek/Salty/JD/ Cameron/Wake. But look at the bright side at least Lackey has been healthy!
     
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    Re: A simple fix



    Simple Fix: Get rid of Lackey.
     
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    [QUOTE]Simple Fix: Get rid of Lackey.


    Posted by Ice-Cream[/QUOTE]
     
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    Why do a lot of people keep mentioning kalish for 2012? He missed almost all of last year and he hasn't proven anything at ML level. Reddick proved in second half that he is not even a fouth OF option.
     
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    [QUOTE]I disagree that Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz are useless--far from it.  Beckett actually had a pretty good year, as did Lester, but neither had enough innings.  All three of them have also pitched well in the past.  If the Sox pitching is so horrendous, how in the world did they have the best W-L record in the AL at the end of August?  Yes, the pitching collapsed.  But that also means that before it collapsed it wasn't that bad. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]
    What you're saying is that the pitching wasn't bad when it was good. But it wasn't good enough over the course of the whole season. It stopped being good when it got bad. 

     
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    New manager, bench coach, base coaches and pitching coach.  Dump Lackey.  See how it goes.  Simple fix, and potentially very effective. 

    You will need to move Aceves into Lackey's spot and address the bullpen in this case, but with the money that comes off the books in Drew's and Ortiz's contracts this should not pose too big a problem.

    Not to obfuscate, but what do you do about Paps, Papi, VTek, Wake, Bedard, Miller and Scutaro?  These decisions will be where Cherington earns his money, IMO.
     
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    Not to obfiscate, but what do you do about ........

    Obfuscate all you want, but just remember...


    The sun'll come out
    Tomorrow
    So ya gotta hang on
    'Til tomorrow
    Come what may
    Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
    I love ya Tomorrow!
    You're always
    A day
    A way!

    Go Sox!
     
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    [QUOTE]Ignore September.  Better still, blame it all on Francona.  Same for the beer in the barracks.  Thanks to the Boston Globe, Channel 7, ESPN, and assorted UN observers, next year's team ain't a gonna drink beer no more, no more.  Next year's manager is not going to have to worry about beer or conditioning or whatever because almost all of that work is being done now.  Mrs. Potts, my 7th grade teacher, could manage these guys next year.  Focus on what the team did well and figure out how to keep those strengths.  Do not, repeat, do not clean house.  These guys were the best in the AL with just a month to go.  If a deal can be made to lose Lackey, great, but the other three--Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz--are the cornerstone of a good pitching staff in 2012.   Ditto Bard, Aceves, and maybe a couple others.  Make Pap a good offer, but not an insane one.  Get a fourth good starter, but only at a reasonable price, or try to make Aceves or Bard into one.  Maybe Miller, Weiland, or Wakefield can start.  If Lackey stays, use him.  Maybe a new pitching coach can help.  If Mrs. Potts gets the manager's job, issue her a .45 caliber pistol for the one time Lackey says he doesn't want to come out. These guys hit the ball well in 2011 and finished with the most runs in MLB.  So keep all you can.  AGon, Youk, Pedroia, Crawford, and Salty/Lavarnway are already on board.  Try hard to make a long term deal for Ellsbury, but keep him in any case.    Keep Scutaro one more year unless a great deal for someone else emerges, which is unlikely.  Make a good but not great offer to Big Papi, who will be 36 next month, because he did have a great year and is the best DH in MLB.  If a good hitting righty rightfielder is available for a reasonable price/trade, fine.  Otherwise, use Reddick/Kalish because they can't be any worse than this year.  If Ortiz goes to greener pastures, move Youk to DH and find a new guy for 3B.  If Youk plays 150 or more games thanks to DH'ing and is productive, that alone could make up for the loss of Ortiz regardless of who plays 3B. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    Good general and sober roadmap, Max.  Still, it lacks a spelling out of possible contingency plans.  While it's possible that the old trio of pitchers (Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz) may work out, there is more of a chance that at least one or two of them either get injured or can't sustain top level performance throughout an entire season.  That simply won't be enough to get them deep into the playoffs or even into the playoffs at all.  I think they're going to have take a risky stab at another top pitcher with the money available from either not signing Papi, Papelbon, or both.  Either that, or they do something like the Yankees did by collecting potential starters and hope one or two of them pans out.  They'll have to get lucky. 

    There is no getting around not taking a risk somewhere.  The Red Sox and many teams have failed going both routes (top or second tier pitcher or collection of maybes).  Either way, they leave themselves open for the andrewmitchers if they end up with another Lackey or Smoltz/Penny, but the cost of doing little to bolster the staff will most likely put them in that position or worse anyway.  I also don't believe moving Aceves to the rotation is an answer.  He's a proven player at what he does and there's really no replacement for an effective long-reliever that can pitch as often as he does.  Many fans underestimate the value he offers with his flexibility. 
     
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    Re: A simple fix

    There is no simple fix.    The 2011 team had flaws that too many fans chose to ignore especially in the area of pitching and there was no help coming from the farm system in either pitching or position player depth.

    Patience will be needed in 2012.     The Rays and Jays won't get worse and the NYY will never stand pat.

    Cherington has his hands full.   Nothing more than reality.
     

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