AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 12:23 AM EST

- moonslav59
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Assuming we pick up a LH'd hitting 1B/OF'er, someone from the pen is put on the DL to avoid being traded or cut, and Kalish & Tazawa are the odd men out, here is how our AAA and AA teams may begin the season:
(Using soxprospects.com as a guide)
AAA AA
C Lava/Butler Vazquez/Ibarra
1B Gomez/Hamilton T Shaw/Hedman
2B Holt Meneses
3B Sutton Vitek
SS Iggy Bogaerts
LF Hassan Jacobs
CF Kalish Bradley
RF Brentz Hissey/Wilkerson
DH Linares Almanzar
IF Henry/Diaz/Dent Gibson
OF Hazelbaker (see RF)
S1 Webster Barnes
S2 de la Rosa Britton
S3 Wright Workman
S4 Hernandez Ranaudo
S5 Doyle Couch
R1 Bard A Carter
R2 Tazawa Kurcz
R3 Wilson Balcom-Miller
R4 Carpenter Celestino
R5 Beato C Martin
R6 de la Torre P Ruiz
R7 Godfrey Jones/Kaminska
I got to think these two teams are going to be very very strong this year.
Then, below AA, we have some impressive prospects:
#7 Cecchini
#8 Swihart
#9 Owens
13 Marrero
14 B Johnson
18 de la Cruz
20 Vinicio
21 Light
22 Buttrey
23 Margot
24 Montas
29 Kukuk
30 Lin
....and more....
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:05 AM EST

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I think the arms in the org are high quality and quantity. Really, really impressed with the pitching that the RS have acrued. Including Morales and Doubrant to the current list even though they are with the RS...gives the RS 12-14 legit arms that could be pitching(or already are) in the big leagues. RS should be able to turn this inventory into a playoff rotation for years to come, and still have arms to deal if the need arises. Coupled in with the lack of big ticket contracts going forward, means the RS can sign any of these arms regardless of cost long term.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:13 AM EST

- moonslav59
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In response to rkarp's comment:
I think the arms in the org are high quality and quantity. Really, really impressed with the pitching that the RS have acrued. Including Morales and Doubrant to the current list even though they are with the RS...gives the RS 12-14 legit arms that could be pitching(or already are) in the big leagues. RS should be able to turn this inventory into a playoff rotation for years to come, and still have arms to deal if the need arises. Coupled in with the lack of big ticket contracts going forward, means the RS can sign any of these arms regardless of cost long term.
I'm really looking forward to some of the players below AA to make a strong showing this year.
We may lose a player or two from the official prospect list this year, but I see our farm getting better and better in the near future as the higher draft picks should help as well.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:18 AM EST

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That Pawtucket lineup looks stacked, as does the rotation. Although I must say I don't understand the love affair with Alex Hassan. I would think Linares would be starting in left over him. This should be a make or break year for both Kolbrin Vitek and Adalberto Ibarra.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:20 AM EST

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In response to carnie's comment:
That Pawtucket lineup looks stacked, as does the rotation. Although I must say I don't understand the love affair with Alex Hassan. I would think Linares would be starting in left over him. This should be a make or break year for both Kolbrin Vitek and Adalberto Ibarra.
theyre in love with his OBP. Hes usually in the 380-400 range
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:27 AM EST

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In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
That Pawtucket lineup looks stacked, as does the rotation. Although I must say I don't understand the love affair with Alex Hassan. I would think Linares would be starting in left over him. This should be a make or break year for both Kolbrin Vitek and Adalberto Ibarra.
theyre in love with his OBP. Hes usually in the 380-400 range
I get the OBP skills, but he doesn't seem to bring much else to the table. How's his arm I wonder. Have you seen him play?
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:32 AM EST

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In response to carnie's comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
That Pawtucket lineup looks stacked, as does the rotation. Although I must say I don't understand the love affair with Alex Hassan. I would think Linares would be starting in left over him. This should be a make or break year for both Kolbrin Vitek and Adalberto Ibarra.
theyre in love with his OBP. Hes usually in the 380-400 range
I get the OBP skills, but he doesn't seem to bring much else to the table. How's his arm I wonder. Have you seen him play?
He looks like a 4th OF'er/bat-off-the-bench type guy...
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:34 AM EST

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In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
That Pawtucket lineup looks stacked, as does the rotation. Although I must say I don't understand the love affair with Alex Hassan. I would think Linares would be starting in left over him. This should be a make or break year for both Kolbrin Vitek and Adalberto Ibarra.
theyre in love with his OBP. Hes usually in the 380-400 range
Hard to not love .380-.400.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:38 AM EST

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In response to carnie's comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
That Pawtucket lineup looks stacked, as does the rotation. Although I must say I don't understand the love affair with Alex Hassan. I would think Linares would be starting in left over him. This should be a make or break year for both Kolbrin Vitek and Adalberto Ibarra.
theyre in love with his OBP. Hes usually in the 380-400 range
I get the OBP skills, but he doesn't seem to bring much else to the table. How's his arm I wonder. Have you seen him play?
his arm is plus/plus as he used to be a pitcher. he is a big kid (24 yrs old) but so far hasnt shown power flashes. Avg to below avg OF. his potential is in his hitting if he can discover some power (at his size he could)
he actually reminds me of Youk when Youk was in AAA. Of course no one expected Youk to turn into the player he did, but Hassan has the same approach at the plate. Remember Youk playing the OF and 2B when he came up? he was very below average, and that is where Hassan is in the OF at this time....
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:43 AM EST

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Hassan:
http://www.soxprospects.com/players/hassan-alex.htm
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 9:53 AM EST

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In response to moonslav59's comment:
Hassan:
http://www.soxprospects.com/players/hassan-alex.htm
kind of says the same thing I did...
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 10:08 AM EST

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Lots of talent there and lots of storylines to watch for next season.
Aside from the obvious names, I'd love to see strong bounce-back seasons from Ranaudo and Jacobs.
Also, Michael Almanzar has always had potential but was slow to put it together...however, he made some strides last season and just turned 22.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 11:07 AM EST

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Hazelbaker has speed and power--I see this as a big year for him to show he can hit for average as well.
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=571757
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 12:27 PM EST

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In response to moonslav59's comment:
Good Post Moon......definitely rosters that should contend in their respective leagues, though many of these guys may see promotions during the year to the next level.
I for one would be surprised to see Daniel Bard not in the Major League BP...if he shows any of his old velocity/command in Spring Training, Farrell is going to keep him around.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 2:09 PM EST

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In response to tomnev's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Good Post Moon......definitely rosters that should contend in their respective leagues, though many of these guys may see promotions during the year to the next level.
I for one would be surprised to see Daniel Bard not in the Major League BP...if he shows any of his old velocity/command in Spring Training, Farrell is going to keep him around.
I would not be surprised either. Bard has electric stuff.
I just hope the starter experiment didn't mess him up for good.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/24/2013 10:51 PM EST

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2013 starers:
Lester, Buch, Dempster, Lackey, Doubront, Morales, de la Rosa, Webster, Wright and maybe Aceves or Tazawa.
2013 relievers:
Hanrahan, Bailey, Uhehara, Breslow, Aceves, Tazawa, Miller, Mortensen, (Morales), Bard, Wilson, Carpenter, and Beato
That's 21 pitchers who may be helpful to the big club this season.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/25/2013 6:16 AM EST

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Once they add a couple depth signings like they do every year, there should be no issue filling the hole if someone goes down. Replicating the performance of the replaced player is another story, but the depth is def there.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/25/2013 7:15 AM EST

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Think this post goes to show what alot of us have been saying all along. The RS have a very good group of young playes on the way. Also explains why RS didn't want to get tied up in 4-7 yr contracts w/ FA's. Problem occurs when that young group which might have the best talent, starts making a push for AAA and AA. When players like Swihart/Cecchini/Owens/Buttrey start proving they're ready to move to AA and playes like Barnes/Britton/Raunado/Bradley/Jacobs are ready for the jump to AAA. Then Ben is going to have to make some tough decisions eating a contract or trading a guy at mlb level to make room so these guys have a place to move up to. But this is a good problem to have. Injuries something we as fans have gotten used to as RS fans will also open some spots and give these young players a chance to prove themselves. For me as a fan I get more enjoyment seeing the farm produce top talent than watching front office sign a FA. Lets hope this group is as good as advertisd. Thats what made 07 so sweet watching guys like Youk/Lester/Pedroia/Paps/Delcarmen/Ellsbury help bring home a WS title.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/25/2013 8:56 AM EST

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In response to garyhow's comment:
Think this post goes to show what alot of us have been saying all along. The RS have a very good group of young playes on the way. Also explains why RS didn't want to get tied up in 4-7 yr contracts w/ FA's. Problem occurs when that young group which might have the best talent, starts making a push for AAA and AA. When players like Swihart/Cecchini/Owens/Buttrey start proving they're ready to move to AA and playes like Barnes/Britton/Raunado/Bradley/Jacobs are ready for the jump to AAA. Then Ben is going to have to make some tough decisions eating a contract or trading a guy at mlb level to make room so these guys have a place to move up to. But this is a good problem to have. Injuries something we as fans have gotten used to as RS fans will also open some spots and give these young players a chance to prove themselves. For me as a fan I get more enjoyment seeing the farm produce top talent than watching front office sign a FA. Lets hope this group is as good as advertisd. Thats what made 07 so sweet watching guys like Youk/Lester/Pedroia/Paps/Delcarmen/Ellsbury help bring home a WS title.
It's a nice problem to have indeed.
I still think we are a bit too heavy on quantity over quality, but not in a damaging way as of yet. I wouldn't mind some 2 or 3 for one trades to upgrade the quality of our prospects and make room for future movements less difficult.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/25/2013 9:22 AM EST

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In response to moonslav59's comment:
It's a nice problem to have indeed.
I still think we are a bit too heavy on quantity over quality, but not in a damaging way as of yet. I wouldn't mind some 2 or 3 for one trades to upgrade the quality of our prospects and make room for future movements less difficult.
Moon
I agree and you have always been consistent in your call for the Sox to use some of their Surplus and Duplication in some prospects to upgrade to better quality....I just wonder if a GM like Ben who is under constant scrutiny fears pulling the trigger on something like that....trading Vets with big contracts is easy because you saved the money and they wont haunt you for years to come, but trading prospects for prospects is tough because it is till always a crapshoot, no matter how they are rated by BA, as to which ones will succeed at the ML level
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/25/2013 9:39 AM EST

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In response to tomnev's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
It's a nice problem to have indeed.
I still think we are a bit too heavy on quantity over quality, but not in a damaging way as of yet. I wouldn't mind some 2 or 3 for one trades to upgrade the quality of our prospects and make room for future movements less difficult.
Moon
I agree and you have always been consistent in your call for the Sox to use some of their Surplus and Duplication in some prospects to upgrade to better quality....I just wonder if a GM like Ben who is under constant scrutiny fears pulling the trigger on something like that....trading Vets with big contracts is easy because you saved the money and they wont haunt you for years to come, but trading prospects for prospects is tough because it is till always a crapshoot, no matter how they are rated by BA, as to which ones will succeed at the ML level
I dont agree when it comes to the pitching. Sox have quantity and quality. The thing that strikes me the most about these young pitchers is their physical size and velo. If they can stay healthy, the SOx have an arsenal of pitchers that can throw 95-98...starters and relievers. I have always been in favor of power pitching to win.
I have not given up on Britton and Ranaudo...think they both can be in the RS rotation assuming health. Very, very high on Rubby. I commented at the time of the trade he reminds me of Pedro. 98 on the gun through 7 innings the one time I saw him. Never have seen Webster. I kept on missing seeing Barnes, but the couple of times I did see him, I wasnt as impressed as every one else. Not to say he wont pan out, this year is a big jump for him. I have not seen Buttrey or Light yet. Lots to be excited about with the RS pitching over the next 4-5 years.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/25/2013 9:41 AM EST

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In response to tomnev's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
It's a nice problem to have indeed.
I still think we are a bit too heavy on quantity over quality, but not in a damaging way as of yet. I wouldn't mind some 2 or 3 for one trades to upgrade the quality of our prospects and make room for future movements less difficult.
Moon
I agree and you have always been consistent in your call for the Sox to use some of their Surplus and Duplication in some prospects to upgrade to better quality....I just wonder if a GM like Ben who is under constant scrutiny fears pulling the trigger on something like that....trading Vets with big contracts is easy because you saved the money and they wont haunt you for years to come, but trading prospects for prospects is tough because it is till always a crapshoot, no matter how they are rated by BA, as to which ones will succeed at the ML level
Yes, it's a gamble just like any trade, signing, extension or DFA.
It's risky trading someone like Vinicio and Britton for a better pitcher, since Britton could outshine who we end up getting, but we trusted these guys when we drafted our players, so I trust they'd do well trading up.
I'm also pretty certain that Ben will never give Iggy a chance unless he is forced to. I'd like to see Iggy as our FT SS on opening day, but it won't happen unless drew is on the DL. If we won't play him- trade him with others for a good 1B or pitching prospect-- areas we are a bit thin at.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/25/2013 7:06 PM EST

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In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to tomnev's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
It's a nice problem to have indeed.
I still think we are a bit too heavy on quantity over quality, but not in a damaging way as of yet. I wouldn't mind some 2 or 3 for one trades to upgrade the quality of our prospects and make room for future movements less difficult.
Moon
I agree and you have always been consistent in your call for the Sox to use some of their Surplus and Duplication in some prospects to upgrade to better quality....I just wonder if a GM like Ben who is under constant scrutiny fears pulling the trigger on something like that....trading Vets with big contracts is easy because you saved the money and they wont haunt you for years to come, but trading prospects for prospects is tough because it is till always a crapshoot, no matter how they are rated by BA, as to which ones will succeed at the ML level
Yes, it's a gamble just like any trade, signing, extension or DFA.
It's risky trading someone like Vinicio and Britton for a better pitcher, since Britton could outshine who we end up getting, but we trusted these guys when we drafted our players, so I trust they'd do well trading up.
I'm also pretty certain that Ben will never give Iggy a chance unless he is forced to. I'd like to see Iggy as our FT SS on opening day, but it won't happen unless drew is on the DL. If we won't play him- trade him with others for a good 1B or pitching prospect-- areas we are a bit thin at.
i think BC is giving some players, ie; Salty, Iggy etc., to prove themselves this year before a move is made.
Of course thats out the window if theyre overwhelmed in a trade proposal.
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/25/2013 10:50 PM EST

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Why the need to be "overwhelmed" to trade a player that will not be here next year or in 2015?
Re: AAA and AA on Opening Day
posted at 1/26/2013 5:52 AM EST

- southpaw777
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
Why the need to be "overwhelmed" to trade a player that will not be here next year or in 2015?
They might value them more than you Moon and see more value keeping them instead of letting them go for very little... Im just going on what Ive heard and read. They arent just going to take the "best offer" if its not what they are looking for.
Overwhelmed might be too big a word. Maybe they just need to get a quality return back thats more valuable to them than what they have now and havent received one yet.