About MLB Non-Tenders

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    About MLB Non-Tenders

    In one week certain players could be non-tendered by their respective teams. Might be some more interesting possibilities hitting FA next week.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/explaining-non-tenders.html

    The top link is a little something explaining the process and the bottom link a list of non-tender candidatesvand a tracker to see if theyve signed or are now a FA. I bookmarked the tracker page so I can keep up with who is available.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/nontenders2013

     
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    Re: About MLB Non-Tenders

    Chone Figgins is over 35 years old, surely he must be on Ben's radar

     
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    Why? Because Ben signed a solid bu catcher whos 35? If the player can produce, I could care less how old he is.

    With that said, Figgins is horrible and should leave the game altogether...

     
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    Southie--I kind of like Figgins--I like the fact he's a switchhitter, he has good speed, he can play the outfield and 3 b. You also have Ciriaco capable of playing SS and 2 b-- with excellent speed. These could be your 2013 super subs

    Versatile players to me are invaluable.

    Figgins could use a trasition from the AL west and he shouldn't cost much--would be a candidate for perhaps a minor league contract, loaded with incentives, with a ST invite.

     
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    Salty is career backup material with terrible catch-the ball skills. - the clown

    Salty...

    6 PBs in 2012.

    23 WPs in 2012.

     

    Only 4 MLB catchers have more innings caught and less PBs.

    20 MLB catchers had more PBs (14 of them in less innings).

    27 MLB catchers had 6 or more PBs (19 in less innings).

    23 MLB catchers had more WPs (12 in less Innings)

    26 MLB catchers had 23 or more WPs (14 in less innings)

     

    Salty's issue catching the ball in 2011 was mostly related to his problems catching Wake's awesome knuckleball.

    Calling Salty a back-up catcher exposes your limited knowledge of what the state of MLB catching is today - both on offense and on defense.

     
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    In many RS fans minds if you hit below 275 regardless of output you are a career back up at best

     
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    Figgins is worthless, although he might make a decent 3B coach. 

     

    Most of the better names on that list,  I expect to be tendered naturally.  Bt there is always a surprise non-tender.  Who will it be this year?  

     

    I will nominate John Axford for most surprising non-tender...

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Salty is career backup material with terrible catch-the ball skills. - the clown

    Salty...

    6 PBs in 2012.

    23 WPs in 2012.

     

    Only 4 MLB catchers have more innings caught and less PBs.

    20 MLB catchers had more PBs (14 of them in less innings).

    27 MLB catchers had 6 or more PBs (19 in less innings).

    23 MLB catchers had more WPs (12 in less Innings)

    26 MLB catchers had 23 or more WPs (14 in less innings)

     

    Salty's issue catching the ball in 2011 was mostly related to his problems catching Wake's awesome knuckleball.

    Calling Salty a back-up catcher exposes your limited knowledge of what the state of MLB catching is today - both on offense and on defense.

    I expect Salty to be traded this winter. Why else would they pick up the catcher from Atlanta? I also agree because of the catching situation in the game today he has value.


     
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    I fully expect Salty to be traded, but there's a small chance Lava might be.

    Salty will bne the FT catcher next year---somewhere. He is not a back-up. He will sit vs almost all LHPs, but his innings caught will still rank him among the top 15 catchers in MLB- just like 2012.

    His CERA improved dramatically after April 25th of 2012.

    His PB+WP/inning improved by leaps and bounds and was one of the best in MLB in 2012. His OPS placed him about in the middle of all MLB catchers, but his age makes him a likely projected top 10 to 12 catcher in 2013.

    It's absurd to call him a back-up. softy simply has no clue about just how bad most MLB catchers are these days.

     
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    Salty is 28th in PAs the last 3 years combined.

    Being a starting catcher does not mean getting 650 PAs like other positions.

    Salty is 16th in PAs the last 2 years. His 2 year .740 OPS places him at number 12. You can call that back-up material, but you are just continuing to expose yourself as a clueless clown.

    Name 30 starting MLB catchers better or more deserving to start than Salty...

    ...Cricketts...

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Salty is 28th in PAs the last 3 years combined.

    Being a starting catcher does not mean getting 650 PAs like other positions.

    Salty is 16th in PAs the last 2 years. His 2 year .740 OPS places him at number 12. You can call that back-up material, but you are just continuing to expose yourself as a clueless clown.

    Name 30 starting MLB catchers better or more deserving to start than Salty...

    ...Cricketts...




    Youll be hearing cricketts for a long time with that question Moon. Theres def some catchers we would take before salty as weve only claimed hes improving, not a top catcher. But I can assure you, there isnt close to 30 catchers Id take before salty.

     
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    He's somewhere between #12 and 18, but has more upside than some above him.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    He's somewhere between #12 and 18, but has more upside than some above him.




    Ive got him right around 15 Moon...

     
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    In response to Softlaw1's comment:

    It is a fact that Salty been a back-up for his entire career, except for last year. He was terrible, despite the 20 plus homers on an offense that used aggregate highs to mask an offense that was exposed last season.




    Revioninst historian at work once more...

    Fact of the matter is that Salty's just now coming in to his own as a fulltime player. Calling him a career backup is a bit misleading. Once considered a top 10 prospect in Atlanta (behind McCann), One of the key players aquired by Texas in the Texiera deal due to his potential. Saltalamacchia spent the better part of three seasons in the Rangers orgnization and due to a myriad of reasons, fell short of what was expected.

    New's flash, being an everyday catcher at the big league level is the single toughest position to learn and that's why guys like Lavarnway, who's now 25 has yet to develop his game to level where he's seen as a legit ML catcher. Montero in Seattle is another example of kid that can hit but lacks the tools to be an effective everyday catcher in the big leagues. So in fairness to Saltalamacchia, while he may never be the next Johnny Bench or Carlton Fisk (as was exepected). Nor will he be mistaken for Jason Varitek any time soon. He's has developed and today is decent defensive catcher with a little pop...

    Far too often we (you) reach conclussions on a players ability without consideration to the players ability to improve (Ellsbury)...Today Saltalamacchia is a middle of the road defensive catcher with a little pop...So if he continues to work hard, more than likely will show further improvement in the coming year and beyond. Who know's one day he might actually be seen by those that are today his critics as a pretty goods ball player...He'll never be able to get out from under the weight of being a highly touted prospect that fell short. It doesn't mean that he can't become a pretty good ML player...

     
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    In response to Beantowne's comment:

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:

    It is a fact that Salty been a back-up for his entire career, except for last year. He was terrible, despite the 20 plus homers on an offense that used aggregate highs to mask an offense that was exposed last season.




    Revioninst historian at work once more...

    Fact of the matter is that Salty's just now coming in to his own as a fulltime player. Calling him a career backup is a bit misleading. Once considered a top 10 prospect in Atlanta (behind McCann), One of the key players aquired by Texas in the Texiera deal due to his potential. Saltalamacchia spent the better part of three seasons in the Rangers orgnization and due to a myriad of reasons, fell short of what was expected.

    New's flash, being an everyday catcher at the big league level is the single toughest position to learn and that's why guys like Lavarnway, who's now 25 has yet to develop his game to level where he's seen as a legit ML catcher. Montero in Seattle is another example of kid that can hit but lacks the tools to be an effective everyday catcher in the big leagues. So in fairness to Saltalamacchia, while he may never be the next Johnny Bench or Carlton Fisk (as was exepected). Nor will he be mistaken for Jason Varitek any time soon. He's has developed and today is decent defensive catcher with a little pop...

    Far too often we (you) reach conclussions on a players ability without consideration to the players ability to improve (Ellsbury)...Today Saltalamacchia is a middle of the road defensive catcher with a little pop...So if he continues to work hard, more than likely will show further improvement in the coming year and beyond. Who know's one day he might actually be seen by those that are today his critics as a pretty goods ball player...He'll never be able to get out from under the weight of being a highly touted prospect that fell short. It doesn't mean that he can't become a pretty good ML player...




    Very well said Bean. Id like to add that the rangers were DHing him as well as 1b because he wasnt immediatly putting up AS numbers. Salty had all the raw tools to be a great catcher. Texas didnt put the time and effort into it that was needed.

    The Sox as an organization gave salty a FAIR shot at the job. He learned from Tuck/Tek and has shown improvement. Some would like to look at his overall numbers in their arguement, but realistically should compare them to 2012 and they will see improvement. He has improved upon the intangibles as well.

    Is he an AS? No, nobody here defending him has even implied that. He could be If he works on his hitting, more his OBP, I believe he would be in the top 10 of catchers and not top 20. When a catcher works on defense as much as Salty has, it takes away from his offense. Now Im not saying hes a .300 hitter. But a 250-260 is realistic with a .320 OBP...That would be a top 10 catcher in todays MLB.

     
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    Re: About MLB Non-Tenders

    While not sure who will be tendered and won't. Some interesting names on that list. Lets face it Drew Stubbs will be tendered, but would be a nice addition to any team. But some players who might be able to be acquired very cheaply like Andino recently by M's because there was a good chance O's would non-tender. On that list some interesting guys hopefull Ben is looking into:

    Paul Janish / Brendan Ryan- 2 previously highly rated SS's w/ Reds & Cards who didn't pan out in 1st shot as starters, but might be worth a gamble in case Iggy doesn't pan out, or til one of the other young SS's in minors Boegarts / Marrero / Vincio is ready.

    Gabby Sanchez [1b]- a player coming of a miserable 12 season but was highly rated and averaged 20 hr's and 80 rbi's the previous 2 seasons w/ Marlins, still just 29.

    Mike Pelfrey / Kyle McClellan / Dallas Braden / Charlie Morton- all starters who at one time or another have pitched very well, but have been slowed by injuries that could be acquired very cheaply and provide some insurance for staff and possibly become a major contributor if things broke right.

    All these players could be had for next to nothing and could have great upside and are all players who fill a need for RS roster.

     
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    In response to garyhow's comment:

    While not sure who will be tendered and won't. Some interesting names on that list. Lets face it Drew Stubbs will be tendered, but would be a nice addition to any team. But some players who might be able to be acquired very cheaply like Andino recently by M's because there was a good chance O's would non-tender. On that list some interesting guys hopefull Ben is looking into:

    Paul Janish / Brendan Ryan- 2 previously highly rated SS's w/ Reds & Cards who didn't pan out in 1st shot as starters, but might be worth a gamble in case Iggy doesn't pan out, or til one of the other young SS's in minors Boegarts / Marrero / Vincio is ready.

    Gabby Sanchez [1b]- a player coming of a miserable 12 season but was highly rated and averaged 20 hr's and 80 rbi's the previous 2 seasons w/ Marlins, still just 29.

    Mike Pelfrey / Kyle McClellan / Dallas Braden / Charlie Morton- all starters who at one time or another have pitched very well, but have been slowed by injuries that could be acquired very cheaply and provide some insurance for staff and possibly become a major contributor if things broke right.

    All these players could be had for next to nothing and could have great upside and are all players who fill a need for RS roster.




    There should be a lot of possible fits on that list of available players. A few you mentioned could def work.

     
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    In response to garyhow's comment:

    While not sure who will be tendered and won't. Some interesting names on that list. Lets face it Drew Stubbs will be tendered, but would be a nice addition to any team. But some players who might be able to be acquired very cheaply like Andino recently by M's because there was a good chance O's would non-tender. On that list some interesting guys hopefull Ben is looking into:

    Paul Janish / Brendan Ryan- 2 previously highly rated SS's w/ Reds & Cards who didn't pan out in 1st shot as starters, but might be worth a gamble in case Iggy doesn't pan out, or til one of the other young SS's in minors Boegarts / Marrero / Vincio is ready.

    Gabby Sanchez [1b]- a player coming of a miserable 12 season but was highly rated and averaged 20 hr's and 80 rbi's the previous 2 seasons w/ Marlins, still just 29.

    Mike Pelfrey / Kyle McClellan / Dallas Braden / Charlie Morton- all starters who at one time or another have pitched very well, but have been slowed by injuries that could be acquired very cheaply and provide some insurance for staff and possibly become a major contributor if things broke right.

    All these players could be had for next to nothing and could have great upside and are all players who fill a need for RS roster.




    gary how can you say such things?

     
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    In response to garyhow's comment:

    While not sure who will be tendered and won't. Some interesting names on that list. Lets face it Drew Stubbs will be tendered, but would be a nice addition to any team. But some players who might be able to be acquired very cheaply like Andino recently by M's because there was a good chance O's would non-tender. On that list some interesting guys hopefull Ben is looking into:

    Paul Janish / Brendan Ryan- 2 previously highly rated SS's w/ Reds & Cards who didn't pan out in 1st shot as starters, but might be worth a gamble in case Iggy doesn't pan out, or til one of the other young SS's in minors Boegarts / Marrero / Vincio is ready.

    Gabby Sanchez [1b]- a player coming of a miserable 12 season but was highly rated and averaged 20 hr's and 80 rbi's the previous 2 seasons w/ Marlins, still just 29.

    Mike Pelfrey / Kyle McClellan / Dallas Braden / Charlie Morton- all starters who at one time or another have pitched very well, but have been slowed by injuries that could be acquired very cheaply and provide some insurance for staff and possibly become a major contributor if things broke right.

    All these players could be had for next to nothing and could have great upside and are all players who fill a need for RS roster.




    Actually, if the Reds can find another option, I would not be surprised at all if Stubbs was non-tendered.    His only saving grace is that he is very cheap, as Chris Heisey took a lot of action from im down the stretch.  His offense just gets worse every year.

     

    However, there are some attainable players who are borderline non-tender candidates.  Pelfrey will be out until May, and really, probably July.  So let's forget him.

     

    Morton is already out for part of 2013 as well.  And really, he is an older Rick Porcello who is not as good.

     

    Braden is an excellent thought.  He was improving every year before the injury derailed him.

     

    The Pirates very likely keep Sanchez as a platoon for Garret Jones, but the A's very likely move on from Daric Barton, who is the far superior player if he is actually healthy.  Barton did nothing in 2012 but recover, but his MiLB numbers did return the last half of the year.

     

    I like both Janish and Ryan, but if the Sox want a defensive SS with limited offensive skills, they are already covered.  If they want  to change the postion it would probably be for offense, so Stephen Drew or Yunel Escobar are much more likely targets.

     

     
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    Re: About MLB Non-Tenders

    I bet there are a number of teams that would take salty over what they currently have...

     
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