Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade?

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    Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade?

    I would hate to see Youk go but if thats the rout the Sox take I'm sure we could find a solid #4.  Who plays 3B?  I still say we tap the FA before trading Youk.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/
     
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    Abraham seems to forget that the Sox get Buccholz back and can move Aceves into the rotation.  With a few bargain SP signings and two (maybe 3, depending on Papelbon and Wheeler) good RP signings, and you avoid over paying for a mediocre starter in FA, and you don't have to trade Youk out of desperation (and at a time his trade value is at its lowest).

    If a trade for a starter is made, it is much more likely that Ellsbury is the trade bait. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Abraham seems to forget that the Sox get Buccholz back and can move Aceves into the rotation.  With a few bargain SP signings and two (maybe 3, depending on Papelbon and Wheeler) good RP signings, and you avoid over paying for a mediocre starter in FA, and you don't have to trade Youk out of desperation (and at a time his trade value is at its lowest). If a trade for a starter is made, it is much more likely that Ellsbury is the trade bait. 
    Posted by parhunter1[/QUOTE]

    I agree par, thats why I feel we should snag Madsen for middle relief.  I also think Wang would be worth the risk without getting too crazy.
     
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    Seriously, Youk as the centerpiece for a deal for a starter gets us ... i don't know .. Brad Penny.
     
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    Youkilis to the Giants makes no sense whatsoever.

    Where will he play? DH?  They have Sandoval at 3B, and Buster Posey is going to be their 1B, because they are never letting him get behind the plate again...
     
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    [QUOTE]Seriously, Youk as the centerpiece for a deal for a starter gets us ... i don't know .. Brad Penny.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus[/QUOTE]

    In the correct package including Youk the Brewers might let Marcum go.  Fielder will be greatly missed, not to say Marcum wouldn't be but its worth a shot if we can't sign a FA.  Madsen to middle relief, Aceves to the starting rotation along with Wang and we look pretty good without giving Youk away.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade? : In the correct package including Youk the Brewers might let Marcum go.  Fielder will be greatly missed, not to say Marcum wouldn't be but its worth a shot if we can't sign a FA.  Madsen to middle relief, Aceves to the starting rotation along with Wang and we look pretty good without giving Youk away.
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]

    I like this last scenario.  Though I would';t be against re-signing Bedard instead of Wang either.  But, yes, Aceves to the ro.  Madsen to Aceves' pen role.  Youk stays.  This is solid but creative thinking.
     
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    Madsen might be looking for a closer role after this past season.  WEre he looking for a middle relief job and salary, Philadelphia will make a better effort to keep him.

    They might even let him be their closer next year.

    Some of the lower-end former closers will be more desperate for work and more likely to be amenable to middle relief roles.  Guys like Capps, Nathan, Rauch.  Not as exciting, but much more likely...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade? : In the correct package including Youk the Brewers might let Marcum go.  Fielder will be greatly missed, not to say Marcum wouldn't be but its worth a shot if we can't sign a FA.  Madsen to middle relief, Aceves to the starting rotation along with Wang and we look pretty good without giving Youk away.
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]

    A package???? built around Youk for Marcum???

    PPL... stop under valuing our #4 hitter... Man... Many of Sox fans don't have respect for their players..
     
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    [QUOTE] If a trade for a starter is made, it is much more likely that Ellsbury is the trade bait. 
    Posted by parhunter1[/QUOTE]

    That would be a very stupid thing to do. Why trade arguably the team MVP away for a guy who has an impact every 5th day? Since when did Snooki become the Red Sox GM?
     
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    Re: Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade?

    Beckett Lester Bucholz      
    Aceves  Miller   Tazawa   Wakefield   

    hmmmmmmmm
    sit down with Boras and Els and  see if they are into a 4-5 years extension  at something the Sox can live with   then if not..

    Put Els and Lars   and bogaerts in a package  for a #1  or # 2   -- call the Braves  first  with their young arms..
     
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    Cherington said at his presser that he'll go after some low cost pitchers to fill out the starting rotation.
     
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    [QUOTE]Cherington said at his presser that he'll go after some low cost pitchers to fill out the starting rotation.
    Posted by OnDeckCircle[/QUOTE]

    That's not the worst idea in the world, this year.  In past years the Sox have gone after the best pitcher available and thrown lots of money at him whether he was a true Top of the Rotation guy or not.  That's how we got Lackey.

    I just don't see anyone out there who's worth TOR money this year so try to pick up low cost pitchers this year and wait until next year.  It's not like we're carrrying five #4's into the 2012 season. 

     
     
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    There is a strong possibility that Joe Saunders will be non tendered in Arizona. He did win 12 and his ERA was 3.69. An article I caught on line quoted the GM as saying that his salary was getting high for a 4th or 5th starter. He might be a good bargain.

     
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    [QUOTE]Madsen might be looking for a closer role after this past season.  WEre he looking for a middle relief job and salary, Philadelphia will make a better effort to keep him. They might even let him be their closer next year. Some of the lower-end former closers will be more desperate for work and more likely to be amenable to middle relief roles.  Guys like Capps, Nathan, Rauch.  Not as exciting, but much more likely...
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    Could be right notin, I have been a Madsen fan for some time so hopefully we have a shot.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade? : A package???? built around Youk for Marcum??? PPL... stop under valuing our #4 hitter... Man... Many of Sox fans don't have respect for their players..
    Posted by seannybboi[/QUOTE]

    Marcum is a valued starter and Youk staying in Boston is fine with me.  I was just throwing out the Brewers as a possible trade partner because they will probably lose Fielder.
     
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    Re: Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade?

    Did anyone watch Marcum choke up some of the worst post season pitching ever? PASS!
    Also, why would anyone in his right mind, suggest trading Ellsbury instead of Youkilis? Do any of  you realize Ellsbury is the Sox BEST player, and nowhere near his prime?


    Just Dumb!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]Did anyone watch Marcum choke up some of the worst post season pitching ever? PASS! Also, why would anyone in his right mind, suggest trading Ellsbury instead of Youkilis? Doe you realize Ellsbury is the Sox BEST player, and nowhere near his prime? Just Dumb!!!
    Posted by GhostofTito[/QUOTE]

    Suggesting Ells gets traded is in the minority here but it is reality if Boras makes things too difficult for us to sign Jacoby.
     
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    So what? It's not going to happen this year or next.
    Two seasons of one of the best in the game in exchange for some of the crap mentioned here?
    Get serious!
     
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    [QUOTE]So what? It's not going to happen this year or next. Two seasons of one of the best in the game in exchange for some of the crap mentioned here? Get serious!
    Posted by GhostofTito[/QUOTE]

    The Sox will do their best to keep Jacoby.
     
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    Re: Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade?

    Nice to see a thread without any trolls.
     
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    Re: Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade?

    Trading Youk right now is a very bad idea. As parhunter said, his trade value has never been lower. Maybe if he's healthy and hitting in ST, then you could put him in some type of package.
     
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    Youk has been injured. and he wasn't faking it as troll Georom and Dannycater claimed. Why not wait until spring training to assess the true situation? Don't pay attention to the trolls. They are everywhere on the Internet. They love to irritate and annoy.
     
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    [QUOTE]Did anyone watch Marcum choke up some of the worst post season pitching ever? PASS! Also, why would anyone in his right mind, suggest trading Ellsbury instead of Youkilis? Do any of  you realize Ellsbury is the Sox BEST player, and nowhere near his prime? Just Dumb!!!
    Posted by GhostofTito[/QUOTE]

    Thje logic for trding Ellsbury is kind of obvious.  Sell him high.  We have him for 2 more years, and likely that is it, and it is pretty unlikely he continues on as a 30-30 player.  I have no problem with Cherington exploring deals and see what other teams will give up for Jacoby.  I also have no problem if he determines those offers to not be enough.

    But let's face it.  The Sox need 2 SPs next year.  Free agency is clearly not the best way to get them.  The farm doesn't have mucch right now.  And the low cost free agents have limited upsides.  So where?
     
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    Re: Abraham - Forget FA, how about a trade?

    Who said that Ellsbury won't continue to peak and even improve on his 30-30 stats? We saw Yaz bust out at a later age, from a guy who never hit more than 20 homers in a season and was a single-doubles hitter, to 44 homers, later 40 and become a serious power threat.
    Sure, Cherington will listen, but unless the offer is overwhelming, he'd be a fool to make that trade.
    Maybe this will be the bridge year, that Theo talked of a couple of years ago?
    Too many needs and questionable resources at hand to fill those needs.
    Perhaps they'll have to wait until Middlebrooks and some of the players in the system are ready to play MLB.
    Time will tell.
     

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