AJP DFA

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    Can the Sox also DFA Stephen Drew?


     


     




    Why DFA him??? the Sox probably DFA AJP because he had little to no trade value, Drew has more value than AJP. 


     


     


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    What trade value does Stephen Drew possibly have? He is just taking up space at SS and screwing up Bogaerts growth. It's no surprise that Xander's productivity dropped as soon as Drew was signed. Way to kill his confident by saying, "Hey you're hitting .300+ but we're going to move you to third because we think a guy with a .100 ba and a barely above average defense in SS is better than you."


     


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    Ok, YOU are not a G.M.  G.M's think much much much bigger than you.  They aren't going to look at what he's done the last month and think that is solely what they are getting...they will look at his overall track record.


     


    Short stops are usually highly coveted even average to fringey ones.  Teams with no better option would be more than willing to take Drew for the right price.


     


    Just because you personally dislike Drew doesn't mean the Sox can't trade him. 


     


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    I'm not a GM, that's correct. But guess what? The GM doesn't always make the right choice (like AJP) and this one looks more and more like a terrible decision. The GM can trade Drew or DFA, whatever just get rid of him because he hasn't help one bit and we overpaid him for his lack of productivity. A bag of balls would be worth Drew.


     


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    You don't trade a guy who has value.  A team would love to take Drew and hope for a stronger second half if we ate some or most of his salary.  a lifetime .260 hitter isn't going to hit half that the whole year.  He missed the first two months of the season and is a slow starter.  He isn't helping his value now....but no team is going to throw all the weight behind his recent slow start and discount his career....fans with short memories do that...NOT good GM's.


     


    And please explain to me how this team is worse without AJP????


     


    He's been not great this year, and he's been almost as bad as Drew lately, and as a beat up catcher in his late 30's he's a much stronger candidate for not picking it up.  At least Drew contributes on defense, AJP is not a good defensive catcher while Vasquez is a GG caliber defender, if he can hit anything close to what AJP has been lately he will be a nice upgrade.


     


    Prove me wrong...specifically how is Vasquez over AJP going to make this team worse????


     


     


     


     


     


    Here's the thing, regardless of what you or I believe all it takes is one GM to like Drew....I'm pretty sure a team looking for an infielder at the deadline will be interested.  It's not like cutting Drew right now is going to be the difference between making the playoffs or not....we got to the WS with him last year. 


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    [object HTMLDivElement]   I'm pretty sure we can find a trading partner for Drew. Also pretty sure that we will have to eat some of the money he is owed.


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    Exaclty!!!! Even if we had to eat 90% of his salary, but maybe get a decent prospect who is young and far away.  We should make that trade.  Sox throw guys like that into trades all the time, no name low level prospects who might have one thing going for them and if they put something together they might be a guy.  Not a top 100 prospect but someone with some tools.  You still need to field minor league teams, and sometimes you even get a MLB player out of the deal. 


    Sometimes you get these guys in a trade, sometimes they are throw ins in larger trades as well, we can still get that throw in guy who may not be anything but one day could be.


    THINK Roman Mendez, 19 year old who threw 99 MPH but had very little else going for him (velocity means nothing if thats all you have...think Daniel Bard after he lost it).  He was a low level, small piece prospect who went to Texas back in 2010 for Salty....well last night he made his MLB debut for Texas pitching 2 shut out innings.


    All I'm saying is, if you can get something....GET SOMETHING for these guys!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Losing Salty and replacing him with A.J. was part of the off season failure. A.J. did not provide the offense that Salty did. He was not good behind the plate. And, although I have no inside information, I got the sense that he was not a good fit in the clubhouse. 8 mil. down the drain. Time for Ben to admit his mistakes, correct them and move on. This is a start. Vasquez may not quite be ready for prime time , but it will be interesting to see him get his shot. 

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    +1 I agree with this entirely. Hindsight is definitely better, but losing Salty was bad for the clubhouse. Agreed that it was a bad move by the Sox to get AJP and not Salty. From 2012-2014, we have seen that the Sox are really affected by clubhouse chemistry, more so than the Dodgers, for example, who have enough talent to win despite problems in the clubhouse. I think that Salty and Gomes provided a lot of heart last year. Absent this year

     
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    Next step: Drew.

     

    Oh wait, Scott Boras on line two. He says he's still got those pictures and he'd like it very much if Drew continues at short.

     

     
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    Rosenthal is reporting the Sox are designating AJ.

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    I think its sad Ross gets a free pass for now just because we need to keep a vet who knows the staff.  The guy has been pretty much useless all season.

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    He has been what he always has been a veteran leader good glove glove occasional pop BACKUP catcher. You could probably get something for him in a trade not that you can or would get rid of him now.

     
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    He's not useless to Jon Lester, who is having his best season with Ross catching him most of the year.
    Ross homered in 3 of his last 5 starts...Ross throws out basestealers....Ask the relievers who they like to throw to? Sure isn't AJ.

     
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    I meant signing AJP is a mistake not DFA but I guess that went way over your head. It's pitiful that you're talking about .260 hitter as though if he hits .260 for the rest of the second half, he is worth the 10 million we gave him for the year. Jason Varitek hit better than what Drew is doing now in his last two year and received less. Yeah, Varitek, a career .256 hitter, yeah he definitely turned it around during 2nd half of those last two seasons. What I find even more laughable is you arguing that only bad GMs have short memories. Through your logic, you must have disagreed with the Sox when they sent away Carl Crawford, Julio Lugo, and Edgar Renteria. I mean after all they did play a large part of their respective team's success at one point and yet all of them were gone after 2 or so years. And these guys batted respectfully during their last seasons. Drew is batting below .150 and strikes out in nearly 1 in 3 tries. Give me a break....the whole team ran Keith Foulke out of town after he stopped producing.

     

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    why over my head huh? lol well I apologize if I missed that point.  I could agree with that statement, although in hindsight who was a better signing than AJP???? I wanted McCann, but looking at it now I'm really happy we didn't sign him.  Perhaps we could have made a stronger run at Salty.

     

    I don't know where you are getting this I most of disagreed when we sent away Crawford, I would think my logic would suggest the opposite, I'm hoping and looking forward to getting rid of Drew.  I want to see Holt/Bogaerts on the left side of the infield perhaps WMB if he gets hot and someone goes down.  NOT Drew, just think that if there is a G.M. out there willing to give something up for him you should get something.  Even if it isn't that valuable you should do it.  I think he would retain some kind of value to a G.M. and while he hasn't gotten off to a hot start a team isn't going to discount his career norms, his defense, and the fact that he looks healthy.  

     

    You don't just DFA guys left and right because you can....thats like buying a $3,000,000. for $10,000,000 million dollar house then winning the lottery then giving it away because you can. Why not get something for it???? if you won the lottery tomorrow would you wipe your a@@ with $100 bills just because you could???

     

    If there is a team who is looking for SS help, and would give us either some salary relief, or a lottery pick prospect then I say go for it. The Sox have effectively zero chance of making the playoffs, not zero chance, but effectively zero....is there really any harm in giving the guy 2 weeks to see if he can start to hit and get us some value????  Worse case scenario we lose 1 extra game and maybe get a better draft pick. 

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    I didn't say you can't trade and please, Drew is not like winning a lottery pick. It's more like buying a nearly expired carton of milk and deciding whether to chuck it in the trash or trying to find someone who is willing to buy the milk from you for less than you paid. The last thing you want is to hold onto a worthless expired carton of milk.

     
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    Thank you for your efforts AJ.  But, this makes me happy.  Forward!

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    Just found this thread. Excellent! Guess its going to be worth watching the games after all. It will be interesting to see how the prospects play in the majors. Hopefully we will see some of our top pitching prospects soon as well.

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    What trade value does Stephen Drew possibly have? He is just taking up space at SS and screwing up Bogaerts growth. It's no surprise that Xander's productivity dropped as soon as Drew was signed. Way to kill his confident by saying, "Hey you're hitting .300+ but we're going to move you to third because we think a guy with a .100 ba and a barely above average defense in SS is better than you."

     

     

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    "It's just not true that Drew's arrival sent Bogaerts into a funk. The Red Sox announced the Drew deal on May 20. From May 21 through June 3, Bogaerts went 23-for-59 -- that's a .389 average -- with three homers, four three-hit games, and eight multiple-hit games.

     

    That's not a funk; that's a tear."

     

    http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2014/07/bogaerts_red_sox.html

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    I disagree with the writer and I may be wrong as I'm not a mind reader but neither is the writer. My assumption was Xander was not affected by the signing. It's more of the fact that he was moved to 3rd, a position he is less comfortable. Sure people say, but wait, 3rd base is the defensive side of the game, it wouldn't affect his at bat. That's not necessarily true. If I feel less confident playing 3rd or if I feel I would screw up more by playing third, I become less confident in the game all around. Why? Because I would feel that if I was to make more errors playing 3rd, I would have to compensate more by playing better offense which can make me try too hard to get a hit. These writers tend to see only one scenario and think it's true yet it's undeniable that since moving to third, Xander's productivity took a nosedive and these beat writers are just trying to defend the team.

     
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    I meant signing AJP is a mistake not DFA but I guess that went way over your head. It's pitiful that you're talking about .260 hitter as though if he hits .260 for the rest of the second half, he is worth the 10 million we gave him for the year. Jason Varitek hit better than what Drew is doing now in his last two year and received less. Yeah, Varitek, a career .256 hitter, yeah he definitely turned it around during 2nd half of those last two seasons. What I find even more laughable is you arguing that only bad GMs have short memories. Through your logic, you must have disagreed with the Sox when they sent away Carl Crawford, Julio Lugo, and Edgar Renteria. I mean after all they did play a large part of their respective team's success at one point and yet all of them were gone after 2 or so years. And these guys batted respectfully during their last seasons. Drew is batting below .150 and strikes out in nearly 1 in 3 tries. Give me a break....the whole team ran Keith Foulke out of town after he stopped producing.

     

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    why over my head huh? lol well I apologize if I missed that point.  I could agree with that statement, although in hindsight who was a better signing than AJP???? I wanted McCann, but looking at it now I'm really happy we didn't sign him.  Perhaps we could have made a stronger run at Salty.

     

    I don't know where you are getting this I most of disagreed when we sent away Crawford, I would think my logic would suggest the opposite, I'm hoping and looking forward to getting rid of Drew.  I want to see Holt/Bogaerts on the left side of the infield perhaps WMB if he gets hot and someone goes down.  NOT Drew, just think that if there is a G.M. out there willing to give something up for him you should get something.  Even if it isn't that valuable you should do it.  I think he would retain some kind of value to a G.M. and while he hasn't gotten off to a hot start a team isn't going to discount his career norms, his defense, and the fact that he looks healthy.  

     

    You don't just DFA guys left and right because you can....thats like buying a $3,000,000. for $10,000,000 million dollar house then winning the lottery then giving it away because you can. Why not get something for it???? if you won the lottery tomorrow would you wipe your a@@ with $100 bills just because you could???

     

    If there is a team who is looking for SS help, and would give us either some salary relief, or a lottery pick prospect then I say go for it. The Sox have effectively zero chance of making the playoffs, not zero chance, but effectively zero....is there really any harm in giving the guy 2 weeks to see if he can start to hit and get us some value????  Worse case scenario we lose 1 extra game and maybe get a better draft pick. 

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    I didn't say you can't trade and please, Drew is not like winning a lottery pick. It's more like buying a nearly expired carton of milk and deciding whether to chuck it in the trash or trying to find someone who is willing to buy the milk from you for less than you paid. The last thing you want is to hold onto a worthless expired carton of milk.

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    You're missing the point, I'm not defending Drew I'd like to see him gone.  The question is do you DFA him or trade him???? if you can get something of value for him you trade him.  Your whole basis of not being able to trade him is based off of a SSS....and it literally does not work like that.  NO ONE, not one GM is going to discount his entire career and look at a small sample size of at bats. All I'm saying is dangle him and see who bites.

     
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