Alarming information from Francona that should concern Red Sox fans

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    Again, amp, my book is only $9.99, and it's fact, not opinion.




    I'll buy one!!

     
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    Again, amp, my book is only $9.99, and it's fact, not opinion.

     

    Like they say, there's a sucker born every minute!!




     

    I'll buy one!!




     
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    So admittedly, Francona held back about the 2011 season because he wanted to manage again and didn't want to burn bridges with players.

    If that's the case, then he should have waited until he could be honest about everything before publishing a book scorching the owners and a few retired players.

     
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    Are you going to get your book autographed??

    Yes, I'm going to ask Tito to autograph my book "Half a Billion Dollars Paid for Embarrassing Player and Manager Performance that Deserved to Be Fired"

    My Book is an easy ready, and only costs $9.99, and is half the price of Tito's book that blames others for his failure to do the job he was paid about 10 million to do. 

     




    Actually, I only paid $9.99 for Franconas book on my tablet. Good read.

     

     
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      Red Sox Report Red Sox: Terry Francona Theo disputes assertions in book January, 17, 2013 Jan 17 12:04 AM ET By Gordon Edes | ESPNBoston.com

    Theo Epstein, who was Red Sox general manager for nine seasons before departing to become president of baseball operations for the Chicago Cubs in the aftermath of Boston’s September 2011 collapse, on Wednesday addressed criticism of Red Sox ownership in a new book co-authored by former Sox manager Terry Francona.

    In an excerpt from the book "Francona: The Red Sox Years" that appears in this week’s Sports Illustrated, co-authors Francona and Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy asserted that ownership was obsessed with declining TV ratings and followed the recommendations of market research consultants urging the team to add more stars and “sex symbols."

    Epstein attended that meeting with consultants in November 2010, and was quoted in the book as being highly critical.

    "They told us we didn't have any marketable players, that we needed some sizzle," he is quoted in the excerpt as saying. "We need some sexy guys. Talk about the tail wagging the dog. This is like an absurdist comedy. We'd become too big. It was the farthest thing removed from what we set out to be."

    Epstein said that quote should not be construed as a criticism of the Sox owners, as many have done.

    “My quote about how 'they told us... we needed sizzle' was in response to a question about the meeting to discuss the consultants' study on NESN ratings," Epstein said. “It was specifically about the consultants' meeting; it was not about ownership."

    Epstein took exception to the assertion made in the book that after that meeting, he was responding "to the pressure from his bosses and the sagging ratings" when he traded for Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford, signing the pair for a combined total of 14 years and $296 million.

    “There is no direct link between that meeting and the Red Sox moves that winter," he said Wednesday. “I take full responsibility for those moves. It was my job to handle the pressure of a big market and make good decisions."

    Francona had described an earlier meeting during the 2010 season with owners John W. Henry, Tom Werner and Larry Lucchino in which he nearly walked out of the room when Werner said the team needed to "start winning in more exciting fashion." The only thing that kept him from leaving, he wrote, was Epstein grabbing him by the knee.

    Epstein said Wednesday that Werner’s comment was made in jest.

    "Tom's line about needing to 'start winning in more exciting fashion' was delivered as a joke -- what to do if ratings are down even though the team is having a winning season," Epstein wrote in an e-mail.

    Francona, who wrote that to this day he doesn’t know how to respond when people ask him whether he was fired or quit after the 2011 season, also questioned the owners’ passion for the game.

    "Our owners in Boston, they've been owners for 10 years," Francona is quoted as saying in the book. "They come in with all these ideas about baseball, but I don't think they love baseball. I think they like baseball. It's revenue, and I know that's their right and their interest because they're owners -- and they're good owners. But they don't love the game. It's still more of a toy or a hobby for them. It's not their blood. They're going to come in and out of baseball. It's different for me. Baseball is my life."

    Epstein disputed that characterization.

    "I spent a decade in the organization," he wrote. "In my opinion, John, Tom and Larry do love baseball and care deeply about the Red Sox and Red Sox fans."

    Epstein, who has just completed his first year as president of the Cubs, a season in which the team lost 101 games, said he was focused on the Cubs’ fan convention this week and reluctant to be drawn into a discussion of the book. But on Wednesday, he felt obligated to respond.

    "I got a chance to work with one of the best managers and one of the best ownership groups in baseball, and we all had a lot of success together. We have fond memories of that time -- including supporting one another through the difficult stretches -- but now we are all consumed with new challenges as we should be."

    Francona, in an interview with ESPN Boston’s Joe McDonald, said the excerpt in SI made the characterization of ownership harsher than he intended.

    "The last chapter is hard because it was a hard ending," Francona said. "I’m sure there will be a thing or two that will [tick] somebody off that I didn’t think would, but I’ve read it seven times and me and Dan made change after change because I wanted it to be good, I wanted it to be interesting and I also wanted it to preserve the clubhouse because I do believe in that so much."



    note to tito: you were fired and rightly so. also, new title  for your book, SOUR GRAPES.

     
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    A foil referred one person who invents two disparate monikers who are opposites of each other. Please try to keep up. Softlaw was / is Moonslav's foil.

    Moonslav created Moonslav and Softlaw. Softlaw was the foil.

    He could have assumed the moniker of McCoy and had a second moniker of Hatfield ( foil). I know that

    Am I going too fast for you? Please try to keep up.



    BDC shall eventually keep up too; and you'll be back with yet another moniker.

     
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    Tito and his loser players were paid nearly a billion dollars, but produced zero playoff wins. End of story and pitiful old manager's attempt to sell books and blame others.

     



    That was one difficult paragraph to read.

     

    Are you high?



    The triumph of ESL.

     
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    It sounds like an interesting book, and Tito is usually a pretty funny guy.  And anything that celebrates our 1st and 2nd WSC in 86 years should bring back some good memories.

    IRT the ratings issue, it is easy enough to disparage the ratings focus, just as some people disparaged seats on the Green Monster and the roof, but that's the stuff that pays the bills.  Ratings are the root of all evil only until you they decline and you start living on a budget.

     
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    no one in yankeeland thinks Hal loves baseball either

    I'm not really sure why it matters that much.  The owners give you a budget.  That should really be about the end of the involvement.  If H&H or John Hnery sign off on a $189M budget, do you really want him around for the next meeting where you discuss how to spend it?  I want my boss to give me new software, and not tell me how to use it.

     
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    Yawkey loved baseball.

    So?

     
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    That actually explains alot. Not only did they do things to sabotage the team, but they were perfectly willing to set the players up for the fall. Even going so far as hiring the unstable Valentine knowing he was going to feed stories to ESPN (the "leak" that Valentine was hoping would have Sox players suspecting each other). All the chicken and beer nonsense seems to me like it was just enough of a distraction to keep the blame on the players, and keep the players blaming each other. And also to get rid of the players they didn't want on the team.

    Weren't they also the "leak" about Francona's medications? It seems to me they screwed up the team, and were hoping that everyone would follow the stories and blame the players and Francona.

    The hiring of Valentine completely changed my view of management. Like I've said a million times, no way they didn't know there was something wrong with him even if they only interviewed him one time. They can't claim to care about the team while at the same time, putting the team in his hands. 

     
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    Shaughnessy's Interview With Mike Francesa; I wasn't going to read the book; but now I'm curious. Recall Torre had a similar book after he was let go. LaRussa too, although he retired instead. Apparently, that's what ex-managers do these days.

     

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd1%2Fd2%2Fd1%2Fd1%2Fd3%2F12113_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561991293507974169_UCV5swWXJbNe6lPy4AwlTZmUo&podcast_name=Mike+Francesa+with+Dan+Shaughnessy&podcast_artist=Mike+Francesa&station_id=62&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.NY