Albert Pujols: Steroid/HGH User or Not?

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    Albert Pujols: Steroid/HGH User or Not?

    Most broken bones take 6 weeks to heal......Albert apparently can heal in 15 days........that doesn't pass the smell test to me.
     
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    Steroids SLOW bone growth and healing. HGH affects muscle tissue. It has NO effect on bone.
     
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    [QUOTE]Steroids SLOW bone growth and healing. HGH affects muscle tissue. It has NO effect on bone.
    Posted by markes8336[/QUOTE]

    I am by no means an expert in this area.  However, its a bit confusing when Andy Pettite is admiting using "to come back from injury quicker" 
     
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    well I guess that Alberts injury wasn't as serious as first thought. they are saying he has passed a series of tests and is ready to play. hell, what do these doctors know? I mean, afterall, they are doctors right? lol!!!!
     
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    Lets not taint guys for being tough and quick healers....the fracture he had was so tiny they needed to do 3 scans to find it.....before the current medical tech....this was probably the type of injury guys would have played through.
     
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    [QUOTE]Lets not taint guys for being tough and quick healers....the fracture he had was so tiny they needed to do 3 scans to find it.....before the current medical tech....this was probably the type of injury guys would have played through.
    Posted by tomnev[/QUOTE]
     
    do the research on the Kansas City Royals pitcher who got arrested very interesting
     
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    maybe he hangs with colon
     
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    Sad state of affairs when a great player who puts up terrific numbers is presumed guilty until proven innocent. But that's our climate now.


     
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    Maybe he just drinks alot of milk.

    Since you are not an "expert in this area", I suppose it's no different than assuming the guy is using steroids.
     
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    [QUOTE]maybe he hangs with colon
    Posted by small-package[/QUOTE]

    Or, the Ortiz Milkshake; Calcium is good for for the bones. You set yourself up for that one.
     
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     I don't think he is on roids, and I put him on a list of 10 players that would cause me to freak out if they were on the juice:
     1: Pujols
     2: Jeter
     3: Pedro
     4: Griffey
     5: Thomas
     6: Maddux
     7: Johnson
     8: Schilling
     9: Rivera
     10: Glavine.
     If ay of these players turned out to be fakers, I would start playing and following Lacrosse, the stupidest sport of all time.
     
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    [QUOTE]Sad state of affairs when a great player who puts up terrific numbers is presumed guilty until proven innocent. But that's our climate now.

    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]

    Get with the program lloyd. You should know that anyone who puts up impressive numbers that doesn't play for the red flops is on some sort of PEDs.

     
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    [QUOTE] I don't think he is on roids, and I put him on a list of 10 players that would cause me to freak out if they were on the juice:  1: Pujols  2: Jeter  3: Pedro  4: Griffey  5: Thomas  6: Maddux  7: Johnson  8: Schilling  9: Rivera  10: Glavine.  If ay of these players turned out to be fakers, I would start playing and following Lacrosse, the stupidest sport of all time.
    Posted by WE5NUTS[/QUOTE]



    so what if they told you that  hank aaron was a user


    let's call it food for thought












    02/23/2007

    Hammerin' Hank Aaron: Was he on 'Roids?

    Protrade, a sports equipment journal, suggests the unthinkable: Hank Aaron juiced during his great career that resulted in the all-time home run record now pursued by Barry Bonds.

    Schank_aaron_photoThe San Francisco Chronicle, in a May 3rd 2005 article quoted former Major League pitcher Tom House of the Atlanta Braves as saying that steroids were rampant in the game in the late '60s and throughout the '70s.

    House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves bullpen, said he and several teammates used amphetamines, human growth hormone and 'whatever steroid' they could find in order to keep up with the competition.

    "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey', House said. "We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses. That was the '60s when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There's a lot more research and understanding."

    House, 58, estimated that six or seven pitchers per team were at least experimenting with steroids or human growth hormone. He said players talked about losing to opponents using more effective drugs,

    "We didn't get beat, we got out-milligrammed", he said. "And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them".

    Congress suggested that Baseball hid a steroid problem. However, as you will read Bowie Kuhn suppressed that notion. After the jump, Protrade's incredible argument about Aaron's juice.

    According to Rep. Henry A. Waxman in his March 17,2005 opening statement before the House Government Reform Committee:

    "Congress first investigated drugs and professional sports, including steroids over 30 years ago. I think perhaps the only two people in the room who will remember this are me and Commissioner Selig, because I believe he became owner in 1970".

    In 1973, the year I first ran for Congress, the House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce concluded a year-long investigation that found--and I quote--"drug use exists...in all sports and levels of competition...In some instances, the danger of improper drug use--primarily amphetamines and anabolic steroids--can only be described as alarming". Bowie Kuhn, and the powers that be at the time, quietly squashed the entire tawdry episode and with good reason: it would cast suspicions on an African-American slugger who was challenging one of baseball's most cherished records: The career record for home runs.

    Compare Hank Aaron's stats at the beginning of his career and then notice how his HR% began to increase beginning when Hammerin' Hank was 37 years old.

    HR% is defined as being the number of HRs per 100 ABs.

    Age HRs HR%
    33 44 7.3
    34 39 6.5
    35 29 4.8

    Nothing unusual about these statistics; it is a typical profile of a slugger in decline as he ages. But then Hank began to undergo an 'enhancement.'

    Age HRs HR%
    36 44 8.0
    37 38 7.4

    What explains this spike at a latter age? Expansion? Perhaps. But then what happens?

    Age HRs HR%
    38 47 9.5
    39 34 7.6

    Hank...What's going on buddy? Aaron's HR% were TOPS in the NL in both 1971 and 1972. Hmm.

    Age HRs HR%
    40 40 10.2

    Which leads us to 1973 when at age 40 in just 392 at bats, juiced 40 HR's for a HR% of 10.2. Once again TOPS in NL for the THIRD STRAIGHT YEAR and the HIGHEST HR% in the ENTIRE 23 year career of Hank Aaron.

    Hank Aaron at 40 was not the only Atlanta Brave to hit 40 Hrs that season. Teammates Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson blasted 41 and 43 HRs respectively.

    Darrell Evans

    Year HRs HR%
    1971 12 4.6
    1972 19 4.5

    1973 41 6.9

    1974 25 4.4
    1975 22 2.8

    Notice a statistical anomaly? Let's see what Davey Johnson did.

    Davey Johnson

    Year HRs HR%
    1971 18 3.5
    1972 5 1.3

    1973 43 7.7

    1974 15 3.3
    1975 Played 1 game
    1976 Did not play MLB

    Notice a statistical anomaly? It would be one thing for Hank Aaron to undergo an 'enhancement', but what are the odds that not one but TWO teammates would both have career years in HR's and HR% in the SAME YEAR as when a Congressional Committee issued its final report saying that anabolic steroids were rampant in the game? Why did Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson both experience career spikes in HR's only to return to earth the following year? And how did Hank finish up?

    Age HRs HR%
    41 20 5.9
    42 12 2.6
    43 10 3.7

    So what happened? Enquiring minds want to know.

    The 1996 Baltimore Orioles set at the time the team HR record for one season. Brady Anderson's 50 HR season was viewed suspiciously.

    The manager of the 1996 Baltimore Orioles? Davey Johnson.

    The only question remains: What did Bud Selig know and when did he know it?

    Fay Vincent circulated a draft steroids policy in 1991. Selig knew that if the scab of steroids was picked off, the puss of the 1973 Atlanta Braves would be oozing all over the game. The scandal of Hank Aaron's HR record being tainted by steroids use would have been a PR disaster at the time and. personally, extremely painful to Bud Selig who, after all, is a long-time friend of Hank Aaron.

    Hence the boardroom coup which ousted Fay Vincent and made Bud Selig 'Acting Commissioner', while still maintaining his position as the owner of the Milwaukee Brewers, a blatant conflict of interest.

    So long as Bud Selig remains in charge of Major League Baseball, the American public will never get to the bottom of the steroids scandal which has sullied the game. He has too much of a personal vested interest in Hank Aaron.

    Besides, after this season, Barry Lamar Bonds will BE the HR KING.



    my point isn't whether he was or wasn't using

    my point is we really  have no idea about any of this

     
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     Steroids didn't exist in the 70's, so that is all crap.
     
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    He is Dominican.  I'm not saying that all Dominican players takes PEDs, but an awful lot have.  Sosa, Bautista, Ortiz, Manny?  Colon played winter ball in the DR last year and came back a changed man.  Makes you wonder.
     
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    [QUOTE] Steroids didn't exist in the 70's, so that is all crap.
    Posted by WE5NUTS[/QUOTE]



    you sound clueless & rude

    can you say
    Ilona Slupianek

    .

    Slupianek was disqualified for doping at the 1977 European Cup, where she dominated her event with a superlative 21.20.



    can you swim ?



    the East German Swim Team on 20/20, women once known as "wonder girls" for their amazing abilities. While training for the 1976 Olympic Games, these women, then adolescent and pre-adolescent girls, were given, unbeknownst to them, anabolic steroids to enhance their performance. (1). The "wonder girls" won virtually every gold medal they competed for but now, years later, they, and their children, are suffering from the steroids given to them.

     
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    Hey Zac,

    In the 70's, steroid usage was being used in the Eastern bloc countries, but not so much in the West or professional sports.

    It was the US Olympic weight lifting team that started using steroids after the Russian Weight lifting coach got drunk and them about it.

    In 1977, Arnold Schwarzenegger wrote about using them to prepare for competitions.  I assume that meant he had been using them through out the 70s.

    Point being, you're technically correct that steroids were around in the 70s, but they weren't being used in the MLB like they would in the 90s and in the 00s.  Just look at the players from back then - the power hitters were the size of today's second basemen. 
     
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    [QUOTE]maybe he hangs with colon
    Posted by small-package[/QUOTE]

    Or Big Papi
     
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    [QUOTE]Hey Zac, In the 70's, steroid usage was being used in the Eastern bloc countries, but not so much in the West or professional sports. It was the US Olympic weight lifting team that started using steroids after the Russian Weight lifting coach got drunk and them about it. In 1977, Arnold Schwarzenegger wrote about using them to prepare for competitions.  I assume that meant he had been using them through out the 70s. Point being, you're technically correct that steroids were around in the 70s, but they weren't being used in the MLB like they would in the 90s and in the 00s.  Just look at the players from back then - the power hitters were the size of today's second basemen. 
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover[/QUOTE]



    In the 70's, steroid usage was being used in the Eastern bloc countries, but not so much in the West or professional sports


    point taken DirtyWaterLover

    but personally
     
    I'm not sure how anyone can be sure about any of it
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Albert Pujols: Steroid/HGH User or Not? : In the 70's, steroid usage was being used in the Eastern bloc countries, but not so much in the West or professional sports point taken DirtyWaterLover but personally   I'm not sure how anyone can be sure about any of it
    Posted by pinstripezac32[/QUOTE]

    Tell that to Lyle Alzado.
     
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    [QUOTE]Every MLB player could be on HGH. That's a fact. The MLBPA refuses to allow testing that would detect it. Varitek is a likely HGH candidate, as any older player is.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]


    hgh and steroids have specific discernable results/symptoms.
    vertitek is a candidate casue he's older, not one of them and doeant have the phaysical appearance either produces. i have spent about 20 years around guys on both. pujols appears to me to be on both.
     
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    [QUOTE] Steroids didn't exist in the 70's, so that is all crap.
    Posted by WE5NUTS[/QUOTE]
     
    actually the first anabolic steroid was created in 1936..It was also thought that the soviets used them in 1954..heres a link
    http://www.steroid.com/

     
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    [QUOTE]Every MLB player could be on HGH. That's a fact. The MLBPA refuses to allow testing that would detect it. Varitek is a likely HGH candidate, as any older player is.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    they are doing it in the minors, which means the majors is next...

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100722&content_id=12519936&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp
     

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