Andrew Miller should get a start

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    Andrew Miller should get a start

    Maybe more, He was a starter his entire career until a couple of years ago. He looks better than he ever did. No reason he couldn't go 6 or 7 innings. Under the present circumstance, he's being wasted.


    Come to think of it, there has been a horrendous use (or mis-use) of players all year.


    But, i guess they'll trot Buch out there again, and it will be the same old, same old.

     
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    Re: Andrew Miller should get a start

    bosoxmal, have you heard of a guy named daniel bard? or perhaps joba chamberlain? Both guys were lights out as relievers and both guys were converted to starters and failed miserably. Bard has literally self-destructed to the point where he can’t even pitch without walking or hitting someone. Ive said it once and I will say it again, when you have a player who has found a high level of success in a specific role, leave him there. Don’t mess around with a good thing. Bard was one of the top set-up men in the mlb and perhaps was destined to be our future closer. Instead the moronic sox FO tried to switch him back to a starter (which he was terrible at in the minors and was the reason why he was converted to a reliever) and not only did he struggled big time as a starter (shocking), he wasn’t able to regain his form as a reliever. Now we have a similar situation with brandon workman. Workman has been average at best as a starter in the mlb, as a reliever however he pitched very well last postseason and during the beginning of this year. But what did the sox do? Switched him back to a starter and he has struggled since. Yet again they fail to learn from past mistakes. And really it makes no sense to force workman into the rotation, we have webster, ranaudo (who is dominating AAA and for some reason has not gotten a shot in the bigs yet) owens (maybe more next year) and now edwin escobar. Let workman excel in the pen and dump mujica. 

     
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    Re: Andrew Miller should get a start

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    bosoxmal, have you heard of a guy named daniel bard? or perhaps joba chamberlain? Both guys were lights out as relievers and both guys were converted to starters and failed miserably. Bard has literally self-destructed to the point where he can’t even pitch without walking or hitting someone. Ive said it once and I will say it again, when you have a player who has found a high level of success in a specific role, leave him there. Don’t mess around with a good thing. Bard was one of the top set-up men in the mlb and perhaps was destined to be our future closer. Instead the moronic sox FO tried to switch him back to a starter (which he was terrible at in the minors and was the reason why he was converted to a reliever) and not only did he struggled big time as a starter (shocking), he wasn’t able to regain his form as a reliever. Now we have a similar situation with brandon workman. Workman has been average at best as a starter in the mlb, as a reliever however he pitched very well last postseason and during the beginning of this year. But what did the sox do? Switched him back to a starter and he has struggled since. Yet again they fail to learn from past mistakes. And really it makes no sense to force workman into the rotation, we have webster, ranaudo (who is dominating AAA and for some reason has not gotten a shot in the bigs yet) owens (maybe more next year) and now edwin escobar. Let workman excel in the pen and dump mujica. 

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    For the 10,000th time, BARD WANTED TO BE A STARTER.  Repeat it slowly.  And he had already started melting down as a set up guy in September 2011.  His ERA that month something around 11.00, he lost 4-5 games and his K to BB ratio was around 1:1.  He was never going to be the closer because he didn't have the mental makeup for it, and the Red Sox knew that.

     

    As for Miller starting, good way to get him hurt.  His arm is geared for 1 inning at a time now, and it would take a long time to stretch him out to be even a 5 inning pitcher.  He also only has 2 pitches, a starter should have at least 3.

     
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    Re: Andrew Miller should get a start

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    bosoxmal, have you heard of a guy named daniel bard? or perhaps joba chamberlain? Both guys were lights out as relievers and both guys were converted to starters and failed miserably. Bard has literally self-destructed to the point where he can’t even pitch without walking or hitting someone. Ive said it once and I will say it again, when you have a player who has found a high level of success in a specific role, leave him there. Don’t mess around with a good thing. Bard was one of the top set-up men in the mlb and perhaps was destined to be our future closer. Instead the moronic sox FO tried to switch him back to a starter (which he was terrible at in the minors and was the reason why he was converted to a reliever) and not only did he struggled big time as a starter (shocking), he wasn’t able to regain his form as a reliever. Now we have a similar situation with brandon workman. Workman has been average at best as a starter in the mlb, as a reliever however he pitched very well last postseason and during the beginning of this year. But what did the sox do? Switched him back to a starter and he has struggled since. Yet again they fail to learn from past mistakes. And really it makes no sense to force workman into the rotation, we have webster, ranaudo (who is dominating AAA and for some reason has not gotten a shot in the bigs yet) owens (maybe more next year) and now edwin escobar. Let workman excel in the pen and dump mujica. 






    Bard really wasn't a "lights out" reliever.  Also, Workman is really kind of marginal as a pitcher...

     
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    Re: Andrew Miller should get a start

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    Yeah, the SOX have had great success turning relievers into starters.

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    They did the opposite with Miller. HE HAD ALWAYS BEEN A STARTER!

     
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    bosoxmal, have you heard of a guy named daniel bard? or perhaps joba chamberlain? Both guys were lights out as relievers and both guys were converted to starters and failed miserably. Bard has literally self-destructed to the point where he can’t even pitch without walking or hitting someone. Ive said it once and I will say it again, when you have a player who has found a high level of success in a specific role, leave him there. Don’t mess around with a good thing. Bard was one of the top set-up men in the mlb and perhaps was destined to be our future closer. Instead the moronic sox FO tried to switch him back to a starter (which he was terrible at in the minors and was the reason why he was converted to a reliever) and not only did he struggled big time as a starter (shocking), he wasn’t able to regain his form as a reliever. Now we have a similar situation with brandon workman. Workman has been average at best as a starter in the mlb, as a reliever however he pitched very well last postseason and during the beginning of this year. But what did the sox do? Switched him back to a starter and he has struggled since. Yet again they fail to learn from past mistakes. And really it makes no sense to force workman into the rotation, we have webster, ranaudo (who is dominating AAA and for some reason has not gotten a shot in the bigs yet) owens (maybe more next year) and now edwin escobar. Let workman excel in the pen and dump mujica. 






    Bard really wasn't a "lights out" reliever.


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    Bard was always inconsistent. And, Miller had always been a starter.

     
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    bosoxmal, have you heard of a guy named daniel bard? or perhaps joba chamberlain? Both guys were lights out as relievers and both guys were converted to starters and failed miserably. Bard has literally self-destructed to the point where he can’t even pitch without walking or hitting someone. Ive said it once and I will say it again, when you have a player who has found a high level of success in a specific role, leave him there. Don’t mess around with a good thing. Bard was one of the top set-up men in the mlb and perhaps was destined to be our future closer. Instead the moronic sox FO tried to switch him back to a starter (which he was terrible at in the minors and was the reason why he was converted to a reliever) and not only did he struggled big time as a starter (shocking), he wasn’t able to regain his form as a reliever. Now we have a similar situation with brandon workman. Workman has been average at best as a starter in the mlb, as a reliever however he pitched very well last postseason and during the beginning of this year. But what did the sox do? Switched him back to a starter and he has struggled since. Yet again they fail to learn from past mistakes. And really it makes no sense to force workman into the rotation, we have webster, ranaudo (who is dominating AAA and for some reason has not gotten a shot in the bigs yet) owens (maybe more next year) and now edwin escobar. Let workman excel in the pen and dump mujica. 

     

     

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    Bard really wasn't a "lights out" reliever.

     

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    Bard was always inconsistent. And, Miller had always been a starter.

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    And he always had questionable control.   That fans thought he needed to be anointed as a closer is really kind of laughable...

     
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    Miller spent the first several years of his career as a STARTER! And he deserves a shot now, and there is absolutely no reason not to try. We can't beat Buehrle; who can we beat? The season is over. We have an extended "spring training in the sunner" coming upon us. Use it.

     

    bosoxmal, have you heard of a guy named daniel bard? or perhaps joba chamberlain? Both guys were lights out as relievers and both guys were converted to starters and failed miserably. Bard has literally self-destructed to the point where he can’t even pitch without walking or hitting someone. Ive said it once and I will say it again, when you have a player who has found a high level of success in a specific role, leave him there. Don’t mess around with a good thing. Bard was one of the top set-up men in the mlb and perhaps was destined to be our future closer. Instead the moronic sox FO tried to switch him back to a starter (which he was terrible at in the minors and was the reason why he was converted to a reliever) and not only did he struggled big time as a starter (shocking), he wasn’t able to regain his form as a reliever. Now we have a similar situation with brandon workman. Workman has been average at best as a starter in the mlb, as a reliever however he pitched very well last postseason and during the beginning of this year. But what did the sox do? Switched him back to a starter and he has struggled since. Yet again they fail to learn from past mistakes. And really it makes no sense to force workman into the rotation, we have webster, ranaudo (who is dominating AAA and for some reason has not gotten a shot in the bigs yet) owens (maybe more next year) and now edwin escobar. Let workman excel in the pen and dump mujica. 

     

     

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    Bard really wasn't a "lights out" reliever.  Also, Workman is really kind of marginal as a pitcher...

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    Re: Andrew Miller should get a start

    Relievers are relievers for a reason. They might have only two pitches, or 1 elite pitch, or they might have jerky mechanics, and they could have trouble holding their velocity.  Miller failed as a starter, but his success as a reliever by NO means is an indication he should OR even could start again.

     
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    Don't think it will happen, but his control is much better than it used to be.  Simply ruling it out because it didn't work with Bard does not make sense. 

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     
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    Re: Andrew Miller should get a start

     Lester will be gone in a few hours--I'm fine with not spending big money or 5-7 years on him Texas Pat has a good pitch on that.

    I've seen Henry Owens pitch--he's got a lot to learn but I think he's going to be really good.  If the Sox keep Lackey and do the right thing--extend him for two additional years--total off 3 and pay him  $39 over 3. You could have a nice rotation--not great but decent.

    Lackey, Miller, Owens, RDLR, Ranaudo. Buch might be a #6 or if he works on his control he might do well in the pen.

    I agree with some on this thread--Workman is not a starter, at least not right now. Webster needs more time or keep putting him out there every 5 days and see what happens the rest of the season.

    I saw Brian Johnson, LH. pitch for Portland yesterday. He threw 7 +, gave up one hit. Not overpowering but a very smart pitcher . Johnson is 9-2 with a 2.05 ERA--Owens is 14-4, 2.6 ERA 126 K's, 47 BB, 6 HR in 121 innings. Also siting at the screen behind home--I would be adamant about holding onto Blake Swihart. He has a gun and is a solid switch-hitter. He has about a dozen HR with about a .300 average. Coyle didn't play as he played both ends of a DH the night before. Another prospect for closer or set-up, Noe Ramirez, looked very good throwing 1.2 inn. 

    I'm guessing the two prospects they got for Peavy will be at AAA.

     

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