Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden

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    Re: Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden

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    hanson at this point would be the sox #2 pitcher, yes he had some health issues last year but nothing overly concerning. jurjens would be an interesting pick up for the 4/5 spot, 26 years old, has had some good years. 

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    #2? Really? The guy could barely get out of the 5th inning and has had a major drop in velocity the last 3 years (from 95-96 to barely hitting 91MPH consistently) as well as having arm issues. Hes a very good candidate for the DL.

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    There seems to be a presumption among some of the posters that the Atl and LA had a barroom conversation, that the Atl GM just gave Hanson away, and that none of the other 28 GMs knew about it, or maybe the other 28 GMs didn't know who Hanson was.

    There were probably 28 other GMs that looked at his medical history, looked at what Atl wanted, looked at the $4M Hanson will get, and decided he wasn't worth it.

     
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    Re: Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden

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    There were probably 28 other GMs that looked at his medical history, looked at what Atl wanted, looked at the $4M Hanson will get, and decided he wasn't worth it.


    The Braves probably had multiple offers for Tommy Hanson and decided that Jordan Walden was the best offer. If the Red Sox had offered, say, Andrew Bailey*, the choice for Atlanta was clear.

    * the Red Sox were "open to dealing" Bailey, according to a report only days before the Tommy Hanson trade: https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/273479450753114113

     
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    Re: Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden

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    sox fans have every right to be angry and upset. its frustrating when u see a guy like hanson who is young and has potential to be a front of the rotation starter traded for a reliever and all you hear about the sox is how they are interested in a bunch of players but yet so far all we have to show for it is david ross and johnny gomes, two bench players. i know when i found out about the hanson deal i thought to myself, wow the sox could have got him if thats all the angels were asking for? I as well as many other sox fans are tired of hear about the sox being interested in guys like dempster (the fact that the sox are interested in him makes u wonder how smart ben c and co are as he got destroyed in the AL last year with texas) , victorino, ross, etc. Not to mention the fact that you see other teams filling holes on their rosters yet the sox who perhaps have the most holes out of any big market team have yet to fill any of them. thinking about it, we have not filled one hole since free agency started. all ben c has done is over spend on back ups. 5 mill per for johnny gomes? really? he is worth half of that. Needless to say, the sox needed a guy like hanson much more than the angels. yet we miss out yet again.



    Whom specifically could the Red Sox have offered to top the offer of 25-year-old former All Star closer Jordan Walden?

     

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    Felix Doubront.    He has less service time that Walden, and was worth 2.1WAR as opposed to Walden, who was worth 0.5WAR, per fangraphs...

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    The best part is they overpaid on Gomes. He is a two million dollar a year player at best. gret deal Larry giving this guy 10 million over two years. Bonzo the monkey is at the controls here.

     
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    Re: Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden

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    ... according to this tweet from Jon Heyman of CBS Sports:

    https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/274570106930073600

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    I hope the Red Sox at least knew of and made an offer for Hanson because he may of fit very when in the rotation.  I also like the Wil Myers talk for Lester or Clay but with our starting rotation already weak, I'm not sure what Bens plan would be to fill the voids.

     
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    Re: Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden

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    There were probably 28 other GMs that looked at his medical history, looked at what Atl wanted, looked at the $4M Hanson will get, and decided he wasn't worth it.



    The Braves probably had multiple offers for Tommy Hanson and decided that Jordan Walden was the best offer. If the Red Sox had offered, say, Andrew Bailey*, the choice for Atlanta was clear.

     

    * the Red Sox were "open to dealing" Bailey, according to a report only days before the Tommy Hanson trade: https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/273479450753114113

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    Really that says more about Hanson was that he was only worth a 0.50WAR  walk machine.

     

    The Braves have one of the better, if not the best bullpens in the league.  They moved Hanson to free up cash, and not only did not fill any voids (LF? 3B? SS if they deal Simmons for Upton?), they did not get prospects. Their best offer was a relief pitcher who could not hold a closers job, and whose best talent is throwing 98mph heat near the strike zone.

     

    They got a less effective Daniel Bard.  If they wanted a project reliever for low cost, the Sox could have offered the Real Daniel Bard...

     
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    Re: Angels get Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden

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    They got a less effective Daniel Bard.  If they wanted a project reliever for low cost, the Sox could have offered the Real Daniel Bard...


    The Daniel Bard who remains under his team's control for three seasons and who is projected to earn $1.9 million after posting an ERA of 6.22, a WHIP of 1.71 and and ERA+ of 70 last year or Jordan Walden, who will earn near the league minimum in 2013 and who remains under his team's control for four seasons?

    The career stats for the 27-year-old Bard and the 25-year-old Walden:

    DBard 256.1 IP, 3.65 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 4.2 BB/9, 8.8 K/9, 121 ERA+

    Walden 114.1 IP, 3.06 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 4.0 BB/9, 10.8 K/9, 125 ERA+

    Daniel Bard is the less effective Jordan Walden.

     

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