Anthony Friedman, Rays GM

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    Anthony Friedman, Rays GM

    This guy works without a contract. It would take more than money to get him to take the RS job, but why not give it a try. Look what this man has done for the Rays since 2seats in a losy ballpark!006. And to empty
     
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    you mean Andrew Friedman??
     
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    The fact that Tampa Bay is in and we are out doesn't mean the Rays are world beaters. The Red Sox could have clinched the wildcard with a mediocre September.

    Building a team that tops Toronto and Baltimore is no great feat. They slipped in because the wheels came off the Red Sox wagon.

    This guy also works in a city where finishing third would be acceptable and he could keep his job. In Boston , anything less than winning it all is usually viewed as failure ( in the post 2004 world), missing the playoffs is a travesty.

    There are about 20 GM's that could put as good a team in Boston as Theo did, that's no big thing. But the GM does more than throw money at players and trade prospects for big names. The part that Friedman doesn't have to deal with is resigning his star players, because he doesn't have the money to even think about this - so it is not part of his job. If the Red Sox were Tampa Bay , we would be waving goodbye to Ellsbury , Papelbon now, Pedroia  and Lester later. They would be grooming replacements for all four. It just wouldn't be in the budget to think about retaining them. We would not have traded for Gonzalez...we couldn't afford to pay him.

    It's a whole different ballgame in a large market city. Perhaps it's tougher than what Friedman would ever imagine.

    The pressure to win now is not something that Tampa Bay knows anything about. They have somethiing like 28 loyal fans. The rest jump om the bandwagon when they make playoffs. In Boston there are hundreds of thousands of loyal fans, millions when you add the bandwagon crowd. Do you think Friedman can work under that pressure?

     
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    [QUOTE]The fact that Tampa Bay is in and we are out doesn't mean the Rays are world beaters. The Red Sox could have clinched the wildcard with a mediocre September. Building a team that tops Toronto and Baltimore is no great feat. They slipped in because the wheels came off the Red Sox wagon. This guy also works in a city where finishing third would be acceptable and he could keep his job. In Boston , anything less than winning it all is usually viewed as failure ( in the post 2004 world), missing the playoffs is a travesty. There are about 20 GM's that could put as good a team in Boston as Theo did, that's no big thing. But the GM does more than throw money at players and trade prospects for big names. The part that Friedman doesn't have to deal with is resigning his star players, because he doesn't have the money to even think about this - so it is not part of his job. If the Red Sox were Tampa Bay , we would be waving goodbye to Ellsbury , Papelbon now, Pedroia  and Lester later. They would be grooming replacements for all four. It just wouldn't be in the budget to think about retaining them. We would not have traded for Gonzalez...we couldn't afford to pay him. It's a whole different ballgame in a large market city. Perhaps it's tougher than what Friedman would ever imagine. The pressure to win now is not something that Tampa Bay knows anything about. They have somethiing like 28 loyal fans. The rest jump om the bandwagon when they make playoffs. In Boston there are hundreds of thousands of loyal fans, millions when you add the bandwagon crowd. Do you think Friedman can work under that pressure?
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    Rays wrapped up their season with 38-21 since July 28th.
     
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    Friedman is in the same mold and Epstein...the GM's job in the multi billion dollar world of MLB goes well beyond simply the results on the playing field...So yes I do think that he could and would have similar results if he were the GM of the Red Sox...
     
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    [QUOTE]The fact that Tampa Bay is in and we are out doesn't mean the Rays are world beaters. The Red Sox could have clinched the wildcard with a mediocre September. Building a team that tops Toronto and Baltimore is no great feat. They slipped in because the wheels came off the Red Sox wagon. This guy also works in a city where finishing third would be acceptable and he could keep his job. In Boston , anything less than winning it all is usually viewed as failure ( in the post 2004 world), missing the playoffs is a travesty. There are about 20 GM's that could put as good a team in Boston as Theo did, that's no big thing. But the GM does more than throw money at players and trade prospects for big names. The part that Friedman doesn't have to deal with is resigning his star players, because he doesn't have the money to even think about this - so it is not part of his job. If the Red Sox were Tampa Bay , we would be waving goodbye to Ellsbury , Papelbon now, Pedroia  and Lester later. They would be grooming replacements for all four. It just wouldn't be in the budget to think about retaining them. We would not have traded for Gonzalez...we couldn't afford to pay him. It's a whole different ballgame in a large market city. Perhaps it's tougher than what Friedman would ever imagine. The pressure to win now is not something that Tampa Bay knows anything about. They have somethiing like 28 loyal fans. The rest jump om the bandwagon when they make playoffs. In Boston there are hundreds of thousands of loyal fans, millions when you add the bandwagon crowd. Do you think Friedman can work under that pressure?
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]
    The Rays won 91 games this year, even if we did collapse, give credit where it is due.
     
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    Forget about the fact that this guy has an uncanny ability to get rid of players right before they get hurt or decline immensely, but given the fact that he lost about half his 25 man roster last year due to financial restraints, the Rays, thanks in large part to Friedman's moves, barely lost a step from 2010.

    He replaced these guys with some very good talent:

    Crawford (.851 OPS) with Joyce (.825)/Fuld (.673)/Jennings (.805)
    C. Pena  (.732) with Kotchman (.800)
    Bartlett (.675) with Zobrist (.822) to 2B & Rodriguez to SS (.679)
    Aybar    (.654) with Damon (.743)

    Garza (15-10 3.91) w/Hellickson(13-10 2.95)/Cobb(3-2 3.42)/Moore
    (1-0) for a total of about 17-12 3.15.
    Soriano (1.73  45 svs) with Farnsworth (2.18/0.998 25 svs)

    Wheeler, Benoit, Balfour, Cormier, Choate, and Qualls
    Total pen: 2010 (3.33 ERA/1.174 WHIP) 
    with 
    Peralta, Cruz, Ramos, Gomes, Howell, Russell, and McGee
    2011 (3.73/1.292)


     
     
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    [QUOTE]The fact that Tampa Bay is in and we are out doesn't mean the Rays are world beaters. The Red Sox could have clinched the wildcard with a mediocre September. Building a team that tops Toronto and Baltimore is no great feat. ................. pay him. It's a whole different ballgame in a large market city. Perhaps it's tougher than what Friedman would ever imagine. The pressure to win now is not something that Tampa Bay knows anything about. They have somethiing like 28 loyal fans. The rest jump om the bandwagon when they make playoffs. In Boston there are hundreds of thousands of loyal fans, millions when you add the bandwagon crowd. Do you think Friedman can work under that pressure?


    your attitude sums up what is wrong with Boston. Arrogant, fat and ugly. See ya in April
     
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    [QUOTE]The fact that Tampa Bay is in and we are out doesn't mean the Rays are world beaters. The Red Sox could have clinched the wildcard with a mediocre September. Building a team that tops Toronto and Baltimore is no great feat. They slipped in because the wheels came off the Red Sox wagon. This guy also works in a city where finishing third would be acceptable and he could keep his job. In Boston , anything less than winning it all is usually viewed as failure ( in the post 2004 world), missing the playoffs is a travesty. There are about 20 GM's that could put as good a team in Boston as Theo did, that's no big thing. But the GM does more than throw money at players and trade prospects for big names. The part that Friedman doesn't have to deal with is resigning his star players, because he doesn't have the money to even think about this - so it is not part of his job. If the Red Sox were Tampa Bay , we would be waving goodbye to Ellsbury , Papelbon now, Pedroia  and Lester later. They would be grooming replacements for all four. It just wouldn't be in the budget to think about retaining them. We would not have traded for Gonzalez...we couldn't afford to pay him. It's a whole different ballgame in a large market city. Perhaps it's tougher than what Friedman would ever imagine. The pressure to win now is not something that Tampa Bay knows anything about. They have somethiing like 28 loyal fans. The rest jump om the bandwagon when they make playoffs. In Boston there are hundreds of thousands of loyal fans, millions when you add the bandwagon crowd. Do you think Friedman can work under that pressure?
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]
    The Rays have made the playoffs three of the last four years. On a nickel and dime payroll, and a \ttendances of maybe 4000 or 5000 escept when the Yankees or Sox came in. How can you argue with success? Or, is it simply a case of arguing, period. The point you are trying to put foward makes no sense.
     
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    [QUOTE]you mean Andrew Friedman??
    Posted by fourrings[/QUOTE]
    Yep
     
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    [QUOTE]Friedman is in the same mold and Epstein...the GM's job in the multi billion dollar world of MLB goes well beyond simply the results on the playing field...So yes I do think that he could and would have similar results if he were the GM of the Red Sox...
    Posted by Beantowne[/QUOTE]

    Not possible to argue with success! Especially under the conditions:  lousy attendance, lousy stadium, tough division, one of the lowest payrolls in baseball.

    Three playoffs in 4 years. Sounds like a winner to me!
     
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    Their average age is like 28. With Damon (37), Peralta (35), and Lopez (31) likely gone and replaced by 23 year olds, that number should go down.

    The Sox avg age is 30, but should go down a lot if Wake, VTek, Drew and Papi all walk.

    The Yanks avg age is about 31, but will still have several key players over 35 next year:
    Mo 42
    Jete 38
    ARod 36
    AJ 35
     
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    [QUOTE]Forget about the fact that this guy has an uncanny ability to get rid of players right before they get hurt or decline immensely, but given the fact that he lost about half his 25 man roster last year due to financial restraints, the Rays, thanks in large part to Friedman's moves, barely lost a step from 2010. He replaced these guys with some very good talent: Crawford (.851 OPS) with Joyce (.825)/Fuld (.673)/Jennings (.805) C. Pena  (.732) with Kotchman (.800) Bartlett (.675) with Zobrist (.822) to 2B & Rodriguez to SS (.679) Aybar    (.654) with Damon (.743) Garza (15-10 3.91) w/Hellickson(13-10 2.95)/Cobb(3-2 3.42)/Moore (1-0) for a total of about 17-12 3.15. Soriano (1.73  45 svs) with Farnsworth (2.18/0.998 25 svs) Wheeler, Benoit, Balfour, Cormier, Choate, and Qualls Total pen: 2010 (3.33 ERA/1.174 WHIP)  with  Peralta, Cruz, Ramos, Gomes, Howell, Russell, and McGee 2011 (3.73/1.292)  
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    These conflicting statements tell me his "uncanny" moves are financially motivated.
     
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    rays did an incredible job this season, given the position players they lost , let alone the entire bullpen and garza....won 91 games in the AL east after all that upheaval is a superb achievement.
     
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    These conflicting statements tell me his "uncanny" moves are financially motivated.

    I don't see these statements as conflicting. The Rays had a plan in place for losing the FAs last year. They had young kids lined up from previous trades and drafts, and they signed some low cost players that overachieved once again. Sure, they have signed some duds, but as a percent of success stories out of low cost FAs, the Rays are right near the top. Also, the loss of Pena was overblown. The guy did not have a great 2010 season. The seasons by Kotchman and some of the pen were surprising to most, but the performances by guys like Joyce, Jennings, Hellickson and a few others were not flukes. 

    What I meant was that the Rays have many guys signed right to the exact year that they peak, then it's all downhill after they become FAs. I know this is true for many teams, since many players reach their first FA year right after their prime year, but it seems more true with TB. GMs do have an influence on planning when some players will become FAs.

    The trades of Kazmir, Garza, and Bartlett were financially motivated, but they chose the right player and the right time for all 3. They could have chosen to deal other players instead to cut salary costs.
     

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