Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

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    Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    I am not well read on defensive metrics.  Anyone have any objective information/metrics on how Lowrie is at SS vs. league average?  Just curious.  Thank you in advance.
     
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    Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    I prefer to just watch the games.  He seems to an be average fielding SS.  Usually good hands.....perhaps better range to his right than to his left....he has made some expectional plays and he's also butchered a few easy ones....I think w/ Jed he gets playing time because of his bat and you don't worry too much about what you may lose on defense.  That's my take anyways.....

    Did you try www.fangraphs.com

    or www.baseballreference.com
     
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    All I know is he has half as many Es as Andrus and a couple of well respected SS in half as many chances in about half as many games at SS.Tells me he makes the plays he gets to and the RS are getting their moneys worth.
     
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    Because Lowrie falls apart before ever finished a full MLB season, the data is limited in sample size. The belly flop on the routine DP ball, last night, 3 or 4 steps to his left, that cost two runs, that should be an indication.

    For 2011, FanGraphs UZR, Lowrie ranks 57th out of 72 full and part-time SS's.

    He's not our CF'er for the next 10 years, but he is our SS for now, trapped in a 2nd Baseman/UIFers body.

    His hitting splits v. RHP are the missing link on his true hitting aptitude. His defense is so bad at the most important fielding position in baseball, his hitting against LHP does not make up for it.

    His errors are frequent, but his range is only a couple of steps so balls that are easy plays for Elvis are belly flops for Lowrie.

    I hope that helped.
     
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    I am not well read on defensive metrics.  Anyone have any objective information/metrics on how Lowrie is at SS vs. league average ?  Just curious.  Thank you in advance.
    Posted by 111SoxFan111

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4418&position=3B/SS#fieldingadvanced

    This season Jed Lowrie has a negative 0.6 defensive Wins Above Replacement, according to Baseball Reference:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lowrije01.shtml
     
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    Because Lowrie falls apart before ever finished a full MLB season, the data is limited in sample size. The belly flop on the routine DP ball, last night, 3 or 4 steps to his left, that cost two runs, that should be an indication. For 2011, FanGraphs UZR, Lowrie ranks 57th out of 72 full and part-time SS's. He's not our CF'er for the next 10 years, but he is our SS for now, trapped in a 2nd Baseman/UIFers body. His hitting splits v. RHP are the missing link on his true hitting aptitude. His defense is so bad at the most important fielding position in baseball, his hitting against LHP does not make up for it. His errors are frequent, but his range is only a couple of steps so balls that are easy plays for Elvis are belly flops for Lowrie. I hope that helped.objective?Cry
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    ML: [/sarcasm-font]Thanks for the objective analysis[sarcasm-font/].  Are you openly SoftLaw in this incarnation or do I have to pretend you are just a new poster who happens to share the same views as Softy and BaseballGM?

    FWIW, I've been checking the split stats.  If you run out of anti-Lowrie arguments you should look up his Home/Away stats ... he's pretty awful away from Fenway.
     
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    Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    2010 OPS

    Away  .962
    Home  .840
     
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    Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    Lowrie v. RHP for 2011

    BA .253  OBP .315  SLG  .354 OPS .669  0 Homers 22 Strike Outs 8 Walks

    Hint: Most pithers are Right Handed 

    The only SS I've ever seen do a belly flop on a routine DP ball was in little league.

     
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    2010 OPS Away  .962 Home  .840
    Posted by tom-uk

    Tom - Your bull$#it meter is clearly broken ... please have it repaired.  Also, we shouldn't let facts get in the way of a good negative position.  
    :)


     
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    The thing is that I like Jed, despite the goatie beard attempt to look tougher. His double and extra base on the Adam Jones error that was ruled a triple was a work of art to see that stork just a diggin' away. Folks, Jed Lowrie is an elite MLB SS, right before your eyes. I know that because someone on this board said so.
     
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    Hill: Am I correct in assuming that -0.6 dWAR is basically not good but not AWFUL?

    ML: See below for a worse v RH "pithers" stat (hint, player initials are MS).  Also, you never answered my question: have you abandoned the silly BGM position; are you openly SoftLaw version X?

    the other RS SS v. RHP (2011):
    BA=.212 OBP=.268 SLG=.250 OPS=.518
     
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    Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    .256.314.364.678

    Avg SS MLB 2011

    .320.356.500.856

    Jed

    He has a career at SS +5.9  UZR (+9.0 UZR/150) from Fanghs.  Many folks say you need multiple years of data for UZR to be meaningful, and I doubt that he has been worth a positive UZR at SS for his career.
     
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    Does every one realize majorleague has no positive threads ever................must be a lonely life to have such pessimistic out look all the time............
     
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    Hill: Am I correct in assuming that -0.6 dWAR is basically not good but not AWFUL? ML: See below for a worse v RH "pithers" stat (hint, player initials are MS).  Also, you never answered my question: have you abandoned the silly BGM position; are you openly SoftLaw version X? the other RS SS v. RHP (2011): BA=.212 OBP=.268 SLG=.250 OPS=.518
    Posted by 111SoxFan111

    Based on this season's small sample to date, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis lead the Red Sox with a positive 0.4 defensive WAR while Adrian Gonzalez is right behind at a positive 0.3 defensive WAR, according to Total Zone Rating (TZR) as reported at Baseball Reference:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2011.shtml

    Jed Lowrie is a distant last in defensive WAR at a negative 0.6.

    Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR) as reported at FanGraphs gives Lowrie a similar assessment:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Red Sox&pos=all&stats=fld&qual=0&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011
     
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    See my positive comments on the Red Sox (dating back to the zip-zip start of the season), if the current 3 solid performing starters stay healthy, are about to blow by Yankees and Rays and win the AL East.

    Jim, you have hard time with people who don't agree with you. Get over it.
     
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    Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    In Response to Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?:
    In Response to Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding? : Based on this season's small sample to date, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis lead the Red Sox with a positive 0.4 defensive WAR while Adrian Gonzalez is right behind at a positive 0/3 defensive WAR, according to Total Zone Rating (TZR) as reported at Baseball Reference: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2011.shtml Jed Lowrie is a distant last in defensive WAR at a negative 0.6. Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR) as reported at FanGraphs gives Lowrie a similar assessment: http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=RedSox&pos=all&stats=fld&qual=0&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011
    Posted by hill55

    You didn't answer his question, you robotic tool.
     
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    See my positive comments on the Red Sox (dating back to the zip-zip start of the season), if the current 3 solid performing starters stay healthy, are about to blow by Yankees and Rays and win the AL East. Jim, you have hard time with people who don't agree with you. Get over it.
    Posted by majorleague

    Start of the season? You've only been posting here for a little over a week. You must be delusional.
     
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    Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    If you were not posting here at the start of the season how can we see the positive comments you proclaim to have made?????????????????
    How can you show them to us????
    How can we believe you even made them?

    Just saying proof is that on your current status there are no positive ones.

    BTW I do not have an issue with those who disagree.
    Just those that do it with out a basis in fact.
    Just those that have a myopic view and only base their comments on one game or one AB, etc......
     
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    Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    You haven't read the threads I first posted on, weeks ago, Jim.

    I have basis in fact, and look forward. You, on the other hand, well, that's a different story.
     
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    You haven't read the threads I first posted on, weeks ago, Jim. I have basis in fact, and look forward. You, on the other hand, well, that's a different story.
    Posted by majorleague

    Weeks ago? Please bring documented evidence of what you posted weeks ago.
     
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    Does every one realize majorleague has no positive threads ever................must be a lonely life to have such pessimistic out look all the time............
    Posted by JimfromFlorida


    I've been a Yankee fan all of my life and still root for them but Girardi has taken all of the joy out of it for me. I must also admit that the signing of Posada for an extra year, Jeter for three years, and Soriano were Cashman flaws. Over the years the revenues and profits could negate the bad signings but now they are bankrupting the franchise. I am a bitter and disappointed Yankee fan and my dad would be ahamed of this operation if he were still alive.
     
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    Thing is, that I like Jed despite the goatie beard attempt to look tougher. His double and extra base on the Adam Jones error that was ruled a triple was a work of art to see that stork just a diggin' away. Folks, Jed Lowrie is an elite MLB SS, right before your eyes. I know that because someone on this board said so.
    Posted by majorleague



    Huh?

    You like Jed, but denounce him at every turn because of his beard that you feel makes him look tough? Is that it? His monster goatie beard?
    What do you think of his nose? How about his fingernails?
    Personally, I think his hairline needs attention. Don't ya think?

    How do you treat people you don't like?
     
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    Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?

    How could someone have posted things a couple weeks ago when their first post was May 9th?
     
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    In Response to www.boston.com/community/forums.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aSportsForum%3a81df60f3-70ee-4ca3-9336-8cf2c0a8301aDiscussion%3a91b6a777-47ec-44aa-9438-7b93e8de5170&plckFindPostKey=Cat:SportsForum:81df60f3-70ee-4ca3-9336-8cf2c0a8301aDiscussion:91b6a777-47ec-44aa-9438-7b93e8de5170Post:185e3012-fd3e-4d2a-816f-a5c36077e6c1">Re: Any objective measure on Lowrie's fielding?:

    You haven't read the threads I first posted on, weeks ago, Jim. I have basis in fact, and look forward. You, on the other hand, well, that's a different story.
    Posted by majorleague


    Weeks ago? Please bring documented evidence of what you posted weeks ago.

    If he does, he'd have to prove himself a liar by admitting he was GM, softlaw, softlaw1A... the clown.

     
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