Anyone notice tonight's ridiculous strike zone?

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    Anyone notice tonight's ridiculous strike zone?

    Ever wonder how a team manages to get 13 hits (and a few other baserunners) and yet score little AND strike out 13 times? Well, tonight put us one step closer to an answer...

    Ed Rapuano's strike zone was horrendous...he was calling balls a half foot outside as strikes. And given that Lackey is a "vertical" pitcher (largely fastballs, curveballs, and changeups), while Sabathia (his very good slider) and Mariano (his peerless cutter) are at least partially "horizontal" pitchers, the umpire single-handedly murdered the Sox tonight.

    Before you go "oh, it's Boston's fault for not hitting in the clutch"...it's amazing that Boston had clutch ABs at all! The strike zone is what it is because it's extraordinarily difficult to get hits outside of it...the Sox managed to hit pitcher's pitches or the occasional bad pitch thrown their way and get men on base, but sooner or later a guy would come up and get NOTHING to hit...and down goes another rally.

    Two of the toughest examples:
    -Ellsbury's "strikeout" in the 4th inning with two men on. Sabathia just peppered fastballs and sliders well off the plate, and Ellsbury can't keep honoring those pitches while still gearing up for inside fastballs. That inning should have been a bigger one...
    -Lowrie's strikeout in the 9th. This one was one of the worst called ABs I've ever seen. The first strike was barely possibly a strike...and then called strike two and called strike three were so far off the plate it was silly. This is why Rivera has stayed so good so late in his career...he has great control over his cutter, and umpires give him a Greg Maddux/Tom Glavine strike zone (expect Rivera is in the AL, which is supposed to have fewer pitcher zones like that...and both NL pitchers had HUGE repotoires...at this point, umpires should be able to tell which Rivera pitches are balls and strikes). Lowrie basically should have forfeited his at bat, as the umpire basically gave him an automatic strikeout.

    When you have a lineup like Boston's, which works by wearing pitchers down, taking walks, and getting enough hits to drive their many baserunners in, you can't survive if an umpire calls junk pitches strikes, as it becomes very difficult to aggressively jump on the few decent pitches to hit you get, while still sticking to your approach. Again, it's remarkable that the Sox got so many runners on to begin with.

    Note: This rant isn't meant so much to complain about the umpiring (though we really should be past this thanks to Questek or whatever it's called these days), as to point out to those who think this was just a poor clutch hitting effort that the Sox had the chips stacked against them.
     
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    Yes. One way zone, a foot off the plate for Yankees.
     
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    and gradyson faking a hit by pitch and girardi claiming that salty took a swing when he was hit.............unbelieveable

     
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    Terrible zone tonight, both ways. That is why so many K's!

     
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    Ed has been one of the better umps in the league, but this was a poor game. 




     
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    doesn't excuse the lame swings by gonzo and salty on the same bad pitches.you'd think they would smarten up after 1 or 2 ab,but they kept swinging at the same bad pitches
     
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    [QUOTE]Ever wonder how a team manages to get 13 hits (and a few other baserunners) and yet score little AND strike out 13 times? Well, tonight put us one step closer to an answer... Ed Rapuano's strike zone was horrendous...he was calling balls a half foot outside as strikes. And given that Lackey is a "vertical" pitcher (largely fastballs, curveballs, and changeups), while Sabathia (his very good slider) and Mariano (his peerless cutter) are at least partially "horizontal" pitchers, the umpire single-handedly murdered the Sox tonight. Before you go "oh, it's Boston's fault for not hitting in the clutch"...it's amazing that Boston had clutch ABs at all! The strike zone is what it is because it's extraordinarily difficult to get hits outside of it...the Sox managed to hit pitcher's pitches or the occasional bad pitch thrown their way and get men on base, but sooner or later a guy would come up and get NOTHING to hit...and down goes another rally. Two of the toughest examples: -Ellsbury's "strikeout" in the 4th inning with two men on. Sabathia just peppered fastballs and sliders well off the plate, and Ellsbury can't keep honoring those pitches while still gearing up for inside fastballs. That inning should have been a bigger one... -Lowrie's strikeout in the 9th. This one was one of the worst called ABs I've ever seen. The first strike was barely possibly a strike...and then called strike two and called strike three were so far off the plate it was silly. This is why Rivera has stayed so good so late in his career...he has great control over his cutter, and umpires give him a Greg Maddux/Tom Glavine strike zone (expect Rivera is in the AL, which is supposed to have fewer pitcher zones like that...and both NL pitchers had HUGE repotoires...at this point, umpires should be able to tell which Rivera pitches are balls and strikes). Lowrie basically should have forfeited his at bat, as the umpire basically gave him an automatic strikeout. When you have a lineup like Boston's, which works by wearing pitchers down, taking walks, and getting enough hits to drive their many baserunners in, you can't survive if an umpire calls junk pitches strikes, as it becomes very difficult to aggressively jump on the few decent pitches to hit you get, while still sticking to your approach. Again, it's remarkable that the Sox got so many runners on to begin with. Note: This rant isn't meant so much to complain about the umpiring (though we really should be past this thanks to Questek or whatever it's called these days), as to point out to those who think this was just a poor clutch hitting effort that the Sox had the chips stacked against them.
    Posted by redsoxu571[/QUOTE]

    I just checked out the Lowrie K on MLB Gameday and you are absolutely right.  Strikes 2 and 3 were so far outside it was absurd.
     
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    i don't think a-gon noticed it.
     
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    You have a valid point. However, Gonzo struck out three times swinging at balls 6 -12  inches off the plate and low to boot. I expected better from him. Salty struck out ( Logan) on three pitches in the dirt. Never seen the Sox swing at so many bad pitches.

    Yes the , The strike zone was moving. he would call a pitch a strike , then call the next pitch , closer to the plate, in the same area a ball. Where do they get these umpires. little League?
     
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    Would you like some cheese with that whine?
     
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    Home plate ump was terrible.  CC throws a pitch right down the middle and just above the knees: Ball.  CC throws a pitch in the right handers batter's box to a lefty: Strike.  Until the zone changed completely in the 6th.
     
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    Saltys abat might have been the worse at bat by a Red Sox since Manny took 3 straight down the middle to Riverea in 2008
     
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    I was upset with McDonalds bases loaded K late in the game until I realized that even though it was out of the zone it probably would have been a "strike" anyway.

    I had hoped the Amica Pitch Zone, K-Zone, etc. would make the umpiring better and more consistent, but it hasn't.  I'm sure the umpires are aware of this ongoing controversy about the strike zone and I wonder how they justify their calls, even to themselves. 
     
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    [QUOTE]and gradyson faking a hit by pitch and girardi claiming that salty took a swing when he was hit.............unbelieveable
    Posted by can-you-dig-it[/QUOTE]it did hit Granderson, and Saltalamacchia did swing, but despite that, absolutely the HP ump was terrible... heck, the base umps could have all taken naps...can't understand how often two of the same pitches get different calls...matter of fact, did ANYONE get an inside corner call last night?...
     
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    IF that little box projected on the screen is correct it would appear that ups miss a lot of strikes. BUT calling strikes is a difficult task. It seems like many ups have different strike zones but it is up to the pitcher to adjust.
     
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    [QUOTE]Saltys abat might have been the worse at bat by a Red Sox since Manny took 3 straight down the middle to Riverea in 2008
    Posted by maddog2020[/QUOTE]


    salty is never gonna remind anyone of fisk or bench; he is what he is.
    an average catcher in a league where there is a short supply of good-hitting
    catchers. considering the options, the SOX are lucky to have him.
    what about a-gon's 3 k's? how were they any better than salty's?
     
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    The strike zone was terrible, but it was for both sides. I wouldn't expect the fandom based hysterics to see that. Also, neither side officially complained about it; they realize it is what it is.
     
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    Terrible strike zone - one way...advantage for the Yankees of course.
     
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    The HP ump was definitely suckin' back on ol grandad's last night.  Regardless, CC had the smarts to take advantage of every inch they'd give him and he did so with a killer's instinct.  I thought CC looked great last night.  And on the otherside Agon, Papi, and Jacoby looked off-kilt whether due to adjusting to a cosmically sized strike zone or not.  Gotta give props where they're due.

    But, on the other hand, the shrilly cries of "MURDER!" over Granderson's HBP by Lackey was ridiculous.  It was clear when Lackey hit Granderson that the ball, literally, was over the plate (and, to be honest, it could've been a Jeter-special with the knob of the bat and not the hand; I mean the ump even asked to see the bruise to prove it).  Who in their right mind has the cajones to get up in arms over that?  I respect CC going out the next inning and sending a beaner because he's protecting his team, but they were WAY overreacting.

    I hope the Sox really rub their uppity snouts in it tonight and tomorrow.

     
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    I feel like the strike zone is always inflated for Mo. That backdoor cutter comes no where close.....
     
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    If you didn't notice, you were in orbit. And last night is not a rarity, thne umpiring all year has been terrible. Let's use the "strike box" (or whatever it's called) all the time. Other broadcasters do, and its constant use has got to (in time) help umpires perform better. Besides, it adds to the viewers appreciation of the game. 
     
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    his strikezone was awful last nite, very inconsistent which is the biggest problem and agreed that saltys ab was the worst i've seen all season in a big spot.
     
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    [QUOTE]I feel like the strike zone is always inflated for Mo. That backdoor cutter comes no where close.....
    Posted by Red-Doc-Redemption[/QUOTE]

    Mo has a bigger strike zone than anyone in baseball. As great as he is his success now stems fom him getting the calls. Shame to show a good eye and get rung up on junk calls.
     
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    [QUOTE]Terrible strike zone - one way...advantage for the Yankees of course.
    Posted by cosmo14[/QUOTE]

    A typical RS fan's one-sided whine ... of course.
     
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