Anyone read or believe this note on Drew?

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    First off Drew isn't a member of this team as we chat. Bogey will probably have to learn another position and 3B is ok for now , but Cecchini is closing fast and he has hammered every level they've put him at, SS has Marrero closing in at about the same speed as Cecchini. The guy they have been hyping has been the 16 year old Devers another 3B man. Then if you add in Mookie Betts into the mix it could get down right busy at the SS/3B positions in the next 2-3 years. As for any potential trades I'm sure there have been several trades discussed since the end of last season. I don't know what the level of interest the Sox have in Chisek as I have read any rumors pertaining to any trades with the Marlins since both teams weren't about to trade the guy the other team wanted in Stanton and Bogaerts. We have less than 2 weeks before ST begins so let the games begin!!



    I'm thinking Bogey & Middlebrooks are better defensively than Cecchini, so I see Cecchini moving to 1B soon, unless they move Middy there after napoli's contract runs out.

    Here's what soxprospects says about Garin's defense:

    Played shortstop and second base in high school, but transitioned to third base as a professional. Soft hands. Needs improvement with reads off of bat. Can be stiff and slow with reactions. Plus arm. Tools to become an average defender at the hot corner. High baseball IQ. Quick learner and makes adjustments. 

    I also think Betts or Cecchini may end up in LF or DH.

     
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    I still think our best bet at 3B for years to come is Will Middlebrooks or Xander Bogaerts.

    Cecchini looks like he will likely move to 1B or LF

    Devers is hasn't played one inning state side and is 17, but early scouting reports are pessimistic about his defense.  Scouts say he has one of the nicest swings they've seen in a decade (at least one said the decade remark) but most think he is destined for first base. 

    Betts is another story.  I'm optimistic that he can transition to CF or SS....but the more and more I think about it the most I think they may hold off until he is in Patucket, or at least gets his feet wet in Double A.  As many consider the jump from A to AA the most difficult they may want him to progress with his bat the position he is comfortable in.   Or we could see something inbetween where he gets a start or two a week at SS and plays 2nd the rest of the way. 

     
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    I still think our best bet at 3B for years to come is Will Middlebrooks or Xander Bogaerts.

    Cecchini looks like he will likely move to 1B or LF

    Devers is hasn't played one inning state side and is 17, but early scouting reports are pessimistic about his defense.  Scouts say he has one of the nicest swings they've seen in a decade (at least one said the decade remark) but most think he is destined for first base. 

    Betts is another story.  I'm optimistic that he can transition to CF or SS....but the more and more I think about it the most I think they may hold off until he is in Patucket, or at least gets his feet wet in Double A.  As many consider the jump from A to AA the most difficult they may want him to progress with his bat the position he is comfortable in.   Or we could see something inbetween where he gets a start or two a week at SS and plays 2nd the rest of the way. 



    They moved Betts from SS to 2B, so I'm guessing they had their reasons. I doubt they move him back to SS.

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    Lets be honest here guys.  This should really not be about AB's.  None of todays players plays every inning of every game.  There will be rest days.  Would you rather those AB's are taken by Drew or Herrera(or whatever his name is.)  Most everybody will say Drew.  If you can get him cheap enough, sign him.  It would be a great depth signing.  Who knows, a major injury could happen.  Do we really want Herrera playing 400+ AB's?  Drew can undoubtably play anywhere in the infield, as can bogaerts.  WMB can probably play the corners for sure, and even 2B if he has too.  Depth is always good.  SP has a huge amount of depth, with about 10 SP worth at least spot starts for 5 spots.  Outfield is getting there now if Sizemore works out, although I would still love an additional Stud out there.  Infield is a little behind that, with Cechini and Betts not quite being ready to step up.

     
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    I still think our best bet at 3B for years to come is Will Middlebrooks or Xander Bogaerts.

    Cecchini looks like he will likely move to 1B or LF

    Devers is hasn't played one inning state side and is 17, but early scouting reports are pessimistic about his defense.  Scouts say he has one of the nicest swings they've seen in a decade (at least one said the decade remark) but most think he is destined for first base. 

    Betts is another story.  I'm optimistic that he can transition to CF or SS....but the more and more I think about it the most I think they may hold off until he is in Patucket, or at least gets his feet wet in Double A.  As many consider the jump from A to AA the most difficult they may want him to progress with his bat the position he is comfortable in.   Or we could see something inbetween where he gets a start or two a week at SS and plays 2nd the rest of the way. 

     



    They moved Betts from SS to 2B, so I'm guessing they had their reasons. I doubt they move him back to SS.

     

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    He's considered a plus defender.

    Remember when they moved him to 2nd they had just drafted Devon Marrero in the first round, had Bogaerts, and Iglesias and even Vinicio was considered a better prospect than him. 

    I think their reasons was with the fact that he was not considered a prospect.

    Someone with his defensive skills won't see much time at DH, Cecchini and WMB maybe...but I doubt we see Betts DH'ing.

    If anything, when Papi is gone we might rotate the DH position.  And even then I can see Betts getting 20-25 starts at 2nd to keep Pedey fresh and let him DH. 

     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knPJVNbOcDo

     

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    I still think our best bet at 3B for years to come is Will Middlebrooks or Xander Bogaerts.

    Cecchini looks like he will likely move to 1B or LF

    Devers is hasn't played one inning state side and is 17, but early scouting reports are pessimistic about his defense.  Scouts say he has one of the nicest swings they've seen in a decade (at least one said the decade remark) but most think he is destined for first base. 

    Betts is another story.  I'm optimistic that he can transition to CF or SS....but the more and more I think about it the most I think they may hold off until he is in Patucket, or at least gets his feet wet in Double A.  As many consider the jump from A to AA the most difficult they may want him to progress with his bat the position he is comfortable in.   Or we could see something inbetween where he gets a start or two a week at SS and plays 2nd the rest of the way. 

     



    They moved Betts from SS to 2B, so I'm guessing they had their reasons. I doubt they move him back to SS.

     

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    Betts is the 2nd platyer whom you've said might become a DH, along with Cecchini.  I don't see that happening.  I see the DH "specialist" as a dying breed, at least among younger players.

    For the most part I see the DH's of the future either being players in the twilight of their carrers who can still hit (Miggy?) or teams utilizing a DH by committee to give the team flexibility.

     
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    Let's say we sign Drew, nobody gets hurt, and we trade Carp. During ST, Bogey works out at 3B & SS and Middy works out at 3B & 1B. Here is how the PAs could work out:

    Drew  500 PAs (SS vs RHPs and a few vs LHPs)

    Bogey 550 PAs (150 SS vs LHPs and 400 3B vs RHPs)

    Middy 450 PAs (200 3B vs LHPs, 75 3B vs RHPs, 100 1B, and 75 DH)

    Napoli 600 PAs (575 1B and 25 DH)

    Ortiz   600 PAs (575 DH and 25 1B)

    If anyone gets injured, the rest can easily take up the slack and end up with more PAs.

    It's doable.

    Herrera has an option left and could start in AAA.

     

    (Note: I'm not saying I am for this plan or the idea of signing Drew, but just showing how it could be.) 

     



    It could definately work moon and I'm not sold on Drew either unless Bogy get his AB's against lefties and a lot of Middy's against righties to stay busy at both positions.  We have too many question marks moving forward with who plays where.  I guess it's a nice problem to have if we can keep the depth everywhere.  The only thing I'm not big on is Middy getting time over Lav at 1B.  We need to give Lav some playing time or trade him somewhere he can get a true shot.

     

    Thanks for putting this together!

     



    Great in theory, but it would never happen.  If they do sign Drew, either Middlebrooks is traded before the season starts, or one of Bogaerts or Middlebrooks starts the year in Pawtucket.  They aren't going to play musical chairs in the infield.  I would be willing to bet anything on this.

     

     They definitely aren't going to flip Bogaerts back & forth between SS & 3rd. There is also no way that all 3 of Middlebrooks, Bogaerts & Drew would all break camp in Boston to start the season. They aren't going to play Middlebrooks at 1st if Napoli is healthy.  None of those guys are going to be happy in any kind of platoon situation and Farrell isn't going to be happy to be put in that situation, either.  



    #1 So your saying if Middy starts the season at AAA, Bogy plays 3B and we have two SS's in Drew and Herrera who can't hit lefties?

    #2 If Bogy starts the year at AAA to get another year of control we have the same situation at SS?

    Doesn't make a whole lot of sense when we could cover our splits at 3B and SS with better all round depth.  I also disagree about the guys griping over platoon roles because neither Middy, Drew or Bogy have proven they should or could start every day against any type of pitching.  Too bad for them, if Nava and Gomes can do it they can to for the good of the team.



    Players with Bogaerts' talent don't come around often and when they do, they don't platoon. He will play full time at one position, whether it's SS or 3rd.  He would have to really struggle this spring to start the year in Pawtucket.  I get the "year of control" thing, but it becomes irrelevant if he has a good spring.  Try to find someone in baseball who doesn't think he's ready now.  Good luck.

    If the Sox DO sign Drew, he's not going to play against righties only, regardless of the splits.  Farrell will give him a day off occasionally against a tough lefty, but he isn't going to platoon.  

    Saying "they should do it for the team" is all well & good, but this isn't high school baseball.  It doesn't work that way.  Xander Bogaerts is the Sox most highly touted prospect in nearly 40 years (Fred Lynn maybe).  They aren't going to bounce him around between positions & he isn't going to be part of a platoon of any kind.  If Middlebrooks doesn't break camp as the starting 3rd baseman, he won't be in Boston to start the year.  He'll either be traded or start the year in Pawtucket.  He's not going to play some games at 1st & he's not going to be part of a 3 man platoon with Drew & Bogaerts.  Again, I will gladly wager anything on this.  



    Saying we should start Bogy every game just because of how highly he's ranked sounds more like another bandwagon Iggy, JBJ wish.  Regardless of the hype Bogy still has less than a year at the big league level at either 3B or SS.  Remember Brandon Wood?  The kid went from labeled the next power hitting SS/3B Stud to a complete dud.  I'm not saying Bogy is like Wood but he still has a lot to prove, especially at SS if Drew doesn't sign.

     

     



    Ok, we'll agree to disagree.  I don't think there will be any "doubts" about Xander Bogaerts after 2014, though.  I can appreciate your skepticism, it's your birthright as a Sox fan, but again, it doesn't matter what we think.  The Sox are going to play the kid every day.  

    Players always say that there are certain guys who walk on the field for the first time and you just know they are going to be superstars (Griffey, Jeter, Trout, Ripken, A-Rod to name a few). I'm not saying he's going to be in the same class as any of those guys, but Boras isn't the only person in baseball who thinks he's going to be a top 5 player in baseball, and sooner rather than later.  

    so you knew  Billy Ripken was a  superstar when he first walked on the field.


     
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    Let's say we sign Drew, nobody gets hurt, and we trade Carp. During ST, Bogey works out at 3B & SS and Middy works out at 3B & 1B. Here is how the PAs could work out:

    Drew  500 PAs (SS vs RHPs and a few vs LHPs)

    Bogey 550 PAs (150 SS vs LHPs and 400 3B vs RHPs)

    Middy 450 PAs (200 3B vs LHPs, 75 3B vs RHPs, 100 1B, and 75 DH)

    Napoli 600 PAs (575 1B and 25 DH)

    Ortiz   600 PAs (575 DH and 25 1B)

    If anyone gets injured, the rest can easily take up the slack and end up with more PAs.

    It's doable.

    Herrera has an option left and could start in AAA.

     

    (Note: I'm not saying I am for this plan or the idea of signing Drew, but just showing how it could be.) 

     



    It could definately work moon and I'm not sold on Drew either unless Bogy get his AB's against lefties and a lot of Middy's against righties to stay busy at both positions.  We have too many question marks moving forward with who plays where.  I guess it's a nice problem to have if we can keep the depth everywhere.  The only thing I'm not big on is Middy getting time over Lav at 1B.  We need to give Lav some playing time or trade him somewhere he can get a true shot.

     

    Thanks for putting this together!

     



    Great in theory, but it would never happen.  If they do sign Drew, either Middlebrooks is traded before the season starts, or one of Bogaerts or Middlebrooks starts the year in Pawtucket.  They aren't going to play musical chairs in the infield.  I would be willing to bet anything on this.

     

     They definitely aren't going to flip Bogaerts back & forth between SS & 3rd. There is also no way that all 3 of Middlebrooks, Bogaerts & Drew would all break camp in Boston to start the season. They aren't going to play Middlebrooks at 1st if Napoli is healthy.  None of those guys are going to be happy in any kind of platoon situation and Farrell isn't going to be happy to be put in that situation, either.  



    #1 So your saying if Middy starts the season at AAA, Bogy plays 3B and we have two SS's in Drew and Herrera who can't hit lefties?

    #2 If Bogy starts the year at AAA to get another year of control we have the same situation at SS?

    Doesn't make a whole lot of sense when we could cover our splits at 3B and SS with better all round depth.  I also disagree about the guys griping over platoon roles because neither Middy, Drew or Bogy have proven they should or could start every day against any type of pitching.  Too bad for them, if Nava and Gomes can do it they can to for the good of the team.



    Players with Bogaerts' talent don't come around often and when they do, they don't platoon. He will play full time at one position, whether it's SS or 3rd.  He would have to really struggle this spring to start the year in Pawtucket.  I get the "year of control" thing, but it becomes irrelevant if he has a good spring.  Try to find someone in baseball who doesn't think he's ready now.  Good luck.

    If the Sox DO sign Drew, he's not going to play against righties only, regardless of the splits.  Farrell will give him a day off occasionally against a tough lefty, but he isn't going to platoon.  

    Saying "they should do it for the team" is all well & good, but this isn't high school baseball.  It doesn't work that way.  Xander Bogaerts is the Sox most highly touted prospect in nearly 40 years (Fred Lynn maybe).  They aren't going to bounce him around between positions & he isn't going to be part of a platoon of any kind.  If Middlebrooks doesn't break camp as the starting 3rd baseman, he won't be in Boston to start the year.  He'll either be traded or start the year in Pawtucket.  He's not going to play some games at 1st & he's not going to be part of a 3 man platoon with Drew & Bogaerts.  Again, I will gladly wager anything on this.  



    Saying we should start Bogy every game just because of how highly he's ranked sounds more like another bandwagon Iggy, JBJ wish.  Regardless of the hype Bogy still has less than a year at the big league level at either 3B or SS.  Remember Brandon Wood?  The kid went from labeled the next power hitting SS/3B Stud to a complete dud.  I'm not saying Bogy is like Wood but he still has a lot to prove, especially at SS if Drew doesn't sign.

     

     



    Ok, we'll agree to disagree.  I don't think there will be any "doubts" about Xander Bogaerts after 2014, though.  I can appreciate your skepticism, it's your birthright as a Sox fan, but again, it doesn't matter what we think.  The Sox are going to play the kid every day.  

    Players always say that there are certain guys who walk on the field for the first time and you just know they are going to be superstars (Griffey, Jeter, Trout, Ripken, A-Rod to name a few). I'm not saying he's going to be in the same class as any of those guys, but Boras isn't the only person in baseball who thinks he's going to be a top 5 player in baseball, and sooner rather than later.  

    so you knew  Billy Ripken was a  superstar when he first walked on the field.




    Billy Ripken....or Cal Ripken?

     
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    Let's say we sign Drew, nobody gets hurt, and we trade Carp. During ST, Bogey works out at 3B & SS and Middy works out at 3B & 1B. Here is how the PAs could work out:

    Drew  500 PAs (SS vs RHPs and a few vs LHPs)

    Bogey 550 PAs (150 SS vs LHPs and 400 3B vs RHPs)

    Middy 450 PAs (200 3B vs LHPs, 75 3B vs RHPs, 100 1B, and 75 DH)

    Napoli 600 PAs (575 1B and 25 DH)

    Ortiz   600 PAs (575 DH and 25 1B)

    If anyone gets injured, the rest can easily take up the slack and end up with more PAs.

    It's doable.

    Herrera has an option left and could start in AAA.

     

    (Note: I'm not saying I am for this plan or the idea of signing Drew, but just showing how it could be.) 

     



    It could definately work moon and I'm not sold on Drew either unless Bogy get his AB's against lefties and a lot of Middy's against righties to stay busy at both positions.  We have too many question marks moving forward with who plays where.  I guess it's a nice problem to have if we can keep the depth everywhere.  The only thing I'm not big on is Middy getting time over Lav at 1B.  We need to give Lav some playing time or trade him somewhere he can get a true shot.

     

    Thanks for putting this together!

     



    Great in theory, but it would never happen.  If they do sign Drew, either Middlebrooks is traded before the season starts, or one of Bogaerts or Middlebrooks starts the year in Pawtucket.  They aren't going to play musical chairs in the infield.  I would be willing to bet anything on this.

     

     They definitely aren't going to flip Bogaerts back & forth between SS & 3rd. There is also no way that all 3 of Middlebrooks, Bogaerts & Drew would all break camp in Boston to start the season. They aren't going to play Middlebrooks at 1st if Napoli is healthy.  None of those guys are going to be happy in any kind of platoon situation and Farrell isn't going to be happy to be put in that situation, either.  



    #1 So your saying if Middy starts the season at AAA, Bogy plays 3B and we have two SS's in Drew and Herrera who can't hit lefties?

    #2 If Bogy starts the year at AAA to get another year of control we have the same situation at SS?

    Doesn't make a whole lot of sense when we could cover our splits at 3B and SS with better all round depth.  I also disagree about the guys griping over platoon roles because neither Middy, Drew or Bogy have proven they should or could start every day against any type of pitching.  Too bad for them, if Nava and Gomes can do it they can to for the good of the team.



    Players with Bogaerts' talent don't come around often and when they do, they don't platoon. He will play full time at one position, whether it's SS or 3rd.  He would have to really struggle this spring to start the year in Pawtucket.  I get the "year of control" thing, but it becomes irrelevant if he has a good spring.  Try to find someone in baseball who doesn't think he's ready now.  Good luck.

    If the Sox DO sign Drew, he's not going to play against righties only, regardless of the splits.  Farrell will give him a day off occasionally against a tough lefty, but he isn't going to platoon.  

    Saying "they should do it for the team" is all well & good, but this isn't high school baseball.  It doesn't work that way.  Xander Bogaerts is the Sox most highly touted prospect in nearly 40 years (Fred Lynn maybe).  They aren't going to bounce him around between positions & he isn't going to be part of a platoon of any kind.  If Middlebrooks doesn't break camp as the starting 3rd baseman, he won't be in Boston to start the year.  He'll either be traded or start the year in Pawtucket.  He's not going to play some games at 1st & he's not going to be part of a 3 man platoon with Drew & Bogaerts.  Again, I will gladly wager anything on this.  



    Saying we should start Bogy every game just because of how highly he's ranked sounds more like another bandwagon Iggy, JBJ wish.  Regardless of the hype Bogy still has less than a year at the big league level at either 3B or SS.  Remember Brandon Wood?  The kid went from labeled the next power hitting SS/3B Stud to a complete dud.  I'm not saying Bogy is like Wood but he still has a lot to prove, especially at SS if Drew doesn't sign.

     

     



    Ok, we'll agree to disagree.  I don't think there will be any "doubts" about Xander Bogaerts after 2014, though.  I can appreciate your skepticism, it's your birthright as a Sox fan, but again, it doesn't matter what we think.  The Sox are going to play the kid every day.  

    Players always say that there are certain guys who walk on the field for the first time and you just know they are going to be superstars (Griffey, Jeter, Trout, Ripken, A-Rod to name a few). I'm not saying he's going to be in the same class as any of those guys, but Boras isn't the only person in baseball who thinks he's going to be a top 5 player in baseball, and sooner rather than later.  

    so you knew  Billy Ripken was a  superstar when he first walked on the field.




    Billy Ripken....or Cal Ripken?



     
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    Brandon wood was a #3 prospect when he spent the year in A ball as a 20 year old.

    Xander Bogaerts is the #2 prospect in all of baseball and won a starting role in the bigs as a 20 year old.

    at least go find a 20 year old who raeched the majors and went bust.

    Horrible comp. 

     
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    Brandon wood was a #3 prospect when he spent the year in A ball as a 20 year old.

    Xander Bogaerts is the #2 prospect in all of baseball and won a starting role in the bigs as a 20 year old.

    at least go find a 20 year old who raeched the majors and went bust.

    Horrible comp. 




    Besides that, simply name-dropping a random prospect who failed is not an argument for making Bogaerts a platoon player...

     
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    Betts is the 2nd platyer whom you've said might become a DH, along with Cecchini.  I don't see that happening.  I see the DH "specialist" as a dying breed, at least among younger players.

    For the most part I see the DH's of the future either being players in the twilight of their carrers who can still hit (Miggy?) or teams utilizing a DH by committee to give the team flexibility.



    The first of these has always been the standard DH profile.  The second is the 'innovative approach' which to me is just a fallback when you don't have a good hitter who fits the traditional profile.

     

     

     
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    Let's say we sign Drew, nobody gets hurt, and we trade Carp. During ST, Bogey works out at 3B & SS and Middy works out at 3B & 1B. Here is how the PAs could work out:

    Drew  500 PAs (SS vs RHPs and a few vs LHPs)

    Bogey 550 PAs (150 SS vs LHPs and 400 3B vs RHPs)

    Middy 450 PAs (200 3B vs LHPs, 75 3B vs RHPs, 100 1B, and 75 DH)

    Napoli 600 PAs (575 1B and 25 DH)

    Ortiz   600 PAs (575 DH and 25 1B)

    If anyone gets injured, the rest can easily take up the slack and end up with more PAs.

    It's doable.

    Herrera has an option left and could start in AAA.

     

    (Note: I'm not saying I am for this plan or the idea of signing Drew, but just showing how it could be.) 

     



    It could definately work moon and I'm not sold on Drew either unless Bogy get his AB's against lefties and a lot of Middy's against righties to stay busy at both positions.  We have too many question marks moving forward with who plays where.  I guess it's a nice problem to have if we can keep the depth everywhere.  The only thing I'm not big on is Middy getting time over Lav at 1B.  We need to give Lav some playing time or trade him somewhere he can get a true shot.

     

    Thanks for putting this together!

     



    Great in theory, but it would never happen.  If they do sign Drew, either Middlebrooks is traded before the season starts, or one of Bogaerts or Middlebrooks starts the year in Pawtucket.  They aren't going to play musical chairs in the infield.  I would be willing to bet anything on this.

     

     They definitely aren't going to flip Bogaerts back & forth between SS & 3rd. There is also no way that all 3 of Middlebrooks, Bogaerts & Drew would all break camp in Boston to start the season. They aren't going to play Middlebrooks at 1st if Napoli is healthy.  None of those guys are going to be happy in any kind of platoon situation and Farrell isn't going to be happy to be put in that situation, either.  



    #1 So your saying if Middy starts the season at AAA, Bogy plays 3B and we have two SS's in Drew and Herrera who can't hit lefties?

    #2 If Bogy starts the year at AAA to get another year of control we have the same situation at SS?

    Doesn't make a whole lot of sense when we could cover our splits at 3B and SS with better all round depth.  I also disagree about the guys griping over platoon roles because neither Middy, Drew or Bogy have proven they should or could start every day against any type of pitching.  Too bad for them, if Nava and Gomes can do it they can to for the good of the team.



    Players with Bogaerts' talent don't come around often and when they do, they don't platoon. He will play full time at one position, whether it's SS or 3rd.  He would have to really struggle this spring to start the year in Pawtucket.  I get the "year of control" thing, but it becomes irrelevant if he has a good spring.  Try to find someone in baseball who doesn't think he's ready now.  Good luck.

    If the Sox DO sign Drew, he's not going to play against righties only, regardless of the splits.  Farrell will give him a day off occasionally against a tough lefty, but he isn't going to platoon.  

    Saying "they should do it for the team" is all well & good, but this isn't high school baseball.  It doesn't work that way.  Xander Bogaerts is the Sox most highly touted prospect in nearly 40 years (Fred Lynn maybe).  They aren't going to bounce him around between positions & he isn't going to be part of a platoon of any kind.  If Middlebrooks doesn't break camp as the starting 3rd baseman, he won't be in Boston to start the year.  He'll either be traded or start the year in Pawtucket.  He's not going to play some games at 1st & he's not going to be part of a 3 man platoon with Drew & Bogaerts.  Again, I will gladly wager anything on this.  



    Saying we should start Bogy every game just because of how highly he's ranked sounds more like another bandwagon Iggy, JBJ wish.  Regardless of the hype Bogy still has less than a year at the big league level at either 3B or SS.  Remember Brandon Wood?  The kid went from labeled the next power hitting SS/3B Stud to a complete dud.  I'm not saying Bogy is like Wood but he still has a lot to prove, especially at SS if Drew doesn't sign.

     

     



    Ok, we'll agree to disagree.  I don't think there will be any "doubts" about Xander Bogaerts after 2014, though.  I can appreciate your skepticism, it's your birthright as a Sox fan, but again, it doesn't matter what we think.  The Sox are going to play the kid every day.  

    Players always say that there are certain guys who walk on the field for the first time and you just know they are going to be superstars (Griffey, Jeter, Trout, Ripken, A-Rod to name a few). I'm not saying he's going to be in the same class as any of those guys, but Boras isn't the only person in baseball who thinks he's going to be a top 5 player in baseball, and sooner rather than later.  

    so you knew  Billy Ripken was a  superstar when he first walked on the field.




    I wasn't there when Billy first walked on the field, but you should google his 1989 Fleer baseball card and look at it closely.  

     
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    Re: Anyone read or believe this note on Drew?

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    Betts is the 2nd platyer whom you've said might become a DH, along with Cecchini.  I don't see that happening.  I see the DH "specialist" as a dying breed, at least among younger players.

    For the most part I see the DH's of the future either being players in the twilight of their carrers who can still hit (Miggy?) or teams utilizing a DH by committee to give the team flexibility.



    The first of these has always been the standard DH profile.  The second is the 'innovative approach' which to me is just a fallback when you don't have a good hitter who fits the traditional profile.

     

     



    Agree. 

    And actually, there really has never been a standard DH. It has always had a varied profile.

    Sometimes it's a guy like Orlando Cepeda, a guy at the end of his career who can't play the field anymore because of injuries. In his case, knees. An Andre Dawson fits the bill.

    Sometimes it's a young guy who is blocked at his position. Jim Rice when he came up. Eventually he transitioned into the regular fielder, and Yaz, who could stil play the field, transitioned into DH.

    Eddie Murray was like Rice. Began as a DH becaue he was blocked, moved to the field then eventually went back to DH at the end.

    Often, it's a guy like Moliter who began as fielders the moved into DH because there always were better fielders at his position. Reggie Jackson and Jose Canseco are others. Some like them were in their prime and others simply became DH when they got older.

    Guys like Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz, guys who were basically just DH their entire careers, always have been are. The specialists have never been the norm so they can hardly be a dying breed. They've been the rarity.

    And a lot of times, the DH has rotated among different players for a variety of reasons.

    Teams will do what they always have done. Put the best player they can find at DH, taking into consideration specific factors or conditions that they deal with at the time.

     

     
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    Didnt read the entire discussion. Sorry if this was already posted


    http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/red_sox_rumors_red_sox_offer_stephen_drew_two_year_deal/15702152?linksrc=story_article_msn_original_head_15702152

     

     

     
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    In response to tvfrank's comment:

    If the SOX do not sign Drew, it will be a major mistake. I have no confidence that WMB can be an everyday 3rd baseman. Bogey and Drew make more sense on the left side of the infield. Re-sign Drew and get rid of Dempster.



    Drew has made the mistake so far. The Red Sox offered him $14.1M for one season, and he said "Nah, no thanks".

     
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    Re: Anyone read or believe this note on Drew?

    1.  Retweeted by Pete Abraham Kristie Ackert ‏@AckertNYDN  5h

      #Mets source says no offer on the table for Stephen Drew at this time.

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      1.  Retweeted by Pete Abraham WFAN Sports Radio ‏@WFAN660  5h

        Mike Francesa: #Mets have made an offer to shortstop Stephen Drew. | http://cbsloc.al/1gK0vJN  #NYM #RedSox

          CBS New York View this content on CBS New York's website Francesa: Mets Have Made An Offer To Shortstop Stephen Drew - CBS New...

        The Mets have made an offer to free-agent shortstop Stephen Drew, WFAN host Mike Francesa said on the air on Tuesday.

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    Re: Anyone read or believe this note on Drew?

    5:25 pm 

    • The Mets are still saying that a Stephen Drew signing remains a "long shot" for the club, tweets Mike Puma of the New York Post. We heard earlier today that New York had not made an offer to the free agent shortstop.

    2:23 pm

    The Mets do not have an offer on the table for free agent shortstop Stephen Drew, reports Kristie Ackert of the New York Daily News (via Twitter). Indeed, New York has made no offers to Drew, tweets Rob Bradford of WEEI.com

     
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    Re: Anyone read or believe this note on Drew?

    Time to move on. Let Drew go. Bogaerts and Middlebrooks. Cecchini on the way.

     
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    Intresting a lot of rumors flying around. I think something is up.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Signing Drew might mean Bogey starts in AAA not Middy. Bogey could learn to play 3B in AAA as well as gain a year of team control at the back end of his his team control span.

    Middy would be given at least 2-3 months to show his stuff, and if he doesn't work out, we have Bogey to come up to the bigs at a position, he is probably better suited for anyways: 3B.



    Tough call moon, Bogy hits lefties really well and Drew doesn't.  Drew and Herrera hit righties but Herrera still has a minor league option.  Chances are good Herrera goes down while Bogy splits time with Middy and Drew.

    I would keep Bogy for lefties and give Middy one last opportunity to prove he belongs.

     

    I can't see us losing a year of team control on Bogey, just so he can play vs LHPs (~30% of the games) . Bogey needs to play everyday.

    It is a tough call, because Bogey projects to be better than Middy, but the team control issue and the fact that Bogey has barely played 3B makes me lean towards thinking Ben would keep Bogey in AAA, not Middy or Herrera... at least until bogey get that extra year.

    Anyone know how long Bogey would need to stay in AAA to gain that extra year of team control?




    Cecchini is at AAA this year playing 3b, so Xander wouldnt get much time at 3b in AAA either. Theres talk, if Middy doesnt get traded that he will see some reps at 1b possibly. Lavarnway will FINALLY trade his catchers mitt in for a 1b mitt this spring. Good to see that the Sox realize hes not a very good catcher.

    I like the Drew signing ONLY if the other 2 can get ample playing time. Not sure thats possible. Do the Sox look to get Stanton from the fish for a package like thats headlined by WMB?

 
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    Re: Anyone read or believe this note on Drew?

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    Let's say we sign Drew, nobody gets hurt, and we trade Carp. During ST, Bogey works out at 3B & SS and Middy works out at 3B & 1B. Here is how the PAs could work out:

    Drew  500 PAs (SS vs RHPs and a few vs LHPs)

    Bogey 550 PAs (150 SS vs LHPs and 400 3B vs RHPs)

    Middy 450 PAs (200 3B vs LHPs, 75 3B vs RHPs, 100 1B, and 75 DH)

    Napoli 600 PAs (575 1B and 25 DH)

    Ortiz   600 PAs (575 DH and 25 1B)

    If anyone gets injured, the rest can easily take up the slack and end up with more PAs.

    It's doable.

    Herrera has an option left and could start in AAA.

     

    (Note: I'm not saying I am for this plan or the idea of signing Drew, but just showing how it could be.) 

     



    It could definately work moon and I'm not sold on Drew either unless Bogy get his AB's against lefties and a lot of Middy's against righties to stay busy at both positions.  We have too many question marks moving forward with who plays where.  I guess it's a nice problem to have if we can keep the depth everywhere.  The only thing I'm not big on is Middy getting time over Lav at 1B.  We need to give Lav some playing time or trade him somewhere he can get a true shot.

     

    Thanks for putting this together!

     



    Great in theory, but it would never happen.  If they do sign Drew, either Middlebrooks is traded before the season starts, or one of Bogaerts or Middlebrooks starts the year in Pawtucket.  They aren't going to play musical chairs in the infield.  I would be willing to bet anything on this.

     

     They definitely aren't going to flip Bogaerts back & forth between SS & 3rd. There is also no way that all 3 of Middlebrooks, Bogaerts & Drew would all break camp in Boston to start the season. They aren't going to play Middlebrooks at 1st if Napoli is healthy.  None of those guys are going to be happy in any kind of platoon situation and Farrell isn't going to be happy to be put in that situation, either.  

     



    #1So your saying if Middy starts the season at AAA, Bogy plays 3B and we have two SS's in Drew and Herrera who can't hit lefties?

    #2 If Bogy starts the year at AAA to get another year of control with Middy at 3B we still have the same situation at SS even though Herrera still has a minor league option remaining?

    Doesn't make a whole lot of sense when we could cover our splits at 3B and SS with better all round depth.  I also disagree about the guys griping over platoon roles because neither Middy, Drew or Bogy have proven they should or could start every day against any type of pitching.  Too bad for them, if Nava and Gomes can do it they can to for the good of the team.



    Drew? really? Ok, maybe he wasnt the best last year vs LHP, but if you look over his career, hes had solid steady defense and has been a top 5 MLB offensive SS. Id say hes proved plenty over his career and will NOT be a pt/platoon player if hes signed. Even though he struggles more with lhp (normal), the bottom line is he still has an ops in the top tier of MLB SS's at the end of the year.

    I agree with Jasko that someone will be moved if Drew is signed. The Fish are really into Middlebrooks. With Cecchini already at 3b in AAA, theres no room there anymore for Middy or Xander.

     
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    I still think our best bet at 3B for years to come is Will Middlebrooks or Xander Bogaerts.

    Cecchini looks like he will likely move to 1B or LF

    Devers is hasn't played one inning state side and is 17, but early scouting reports are pessimistic about his defense.  Scouts say he has one of the nicest swings they've seen in a decade (at least one said the decade remark) but most think he is destined for first base. 

    Betts is another story.  I'm optimistic that he can transition to CF or SS....but the more and more I think about it the most I think they may hold off until he is in Patucket, or at least gets his feet wet in Double A.  As many consider the jump from A to AA the most difficult they may want him to progress with his bat the position he is comfortable in.   Or we could see something inbetween where he gets a start or two a week at SS and plays 2nd the rest of the way. 

     



    They moved Betts from SS to 2B, so I'm guessing they had their reasons. I doubt they move him back to SS.

     

    DH or OF (Back-up IF'er)




    because there was a logjam at ss in the system. He can play all up the middle positions good besides catcher. strong arm, solid defense. This coming from himself as well as a couple people within the system. Hes a great athlete from all reports.

     
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    Re: Anyone read or believe this note on Drew?

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    I still think our best bet at 3B for years to come is Will Middlebrooks or Xander Bogaerts.

    Cecchini looks like he will likely move to 1B or LF

    Devers is hasn't played one inning state side and is 17, but early scouting reports are pessimistic about his defense.  Scouts say he has one of the nicest swings they've seen in a decade (at least one said the decade remark) but most think he is destined for first base. 

    Betts is another story.  I'm optimistic that he can transition to CF or SS....but the more and more I think about it the most I think they may hold off until he is in Patucket, or at least gets his feet wet in Double A.  As many consider the jump from A to AA the most difficult they may want him to progress with his bat the position he is comfortable in.   Or we could see something inbetween where he gets a start or two a week at SS and plays 2nd the rest of the way. 

     



    They moved Betts from SS to 2B, so I'm guessing they had their reasons. I doubt they move him back to SS.

     

    DH or OF (Back-up IF'er)




    because there was a logjam at ss in the system. He can play all up the middle positions good besides catcher. strong arm, solid defense. This coming from himself as well as a couple people within the system. Hes a great athlete from all reports.



    Southpaw... please check your email.  

     
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