Are the "Coma-Lovers" Ready to Capitulate?

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    Are the "Coma-Lovers" Ready to Capitulate?

    How long will it take for you guys to discern that there's a mediocrity that's crept into the RS dugout? Most of this mediocrity is fed by mis-management (Coma specifically) and big dollars paid-out to the "big stars" (almost everyone, exclusive of Mac, Reddick...). I have mentioned Crawford previously, but it appears to be spreading. For those still confused: If losing is OK at the Mgmt level (Coma), and bad Mgmt decisions, especially pitching, go uncontested by Theo and above, complacence seeps in REAL QUICK.
     
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    Wait ... so who's fault is it again?
     
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    Wasn't Francona who signed Crawford, Lackey, Jenks, Drew and Cameron.
    It wan't Francona who failed to secure a left-handed reliever nor a r/h outfielder with power at trade deadline.

    Used to think Theo did no wrong, but this year I'm not so sure.
     
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    Good point Jfred, but Coma manages them...and Jenks, Drew and Cameron aren't the problem since they don't play.
     
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    [QUOTE]How long will it take for you guys to discern that there's a mediocrity that's crept into the RS dugout? Most of this mediocrity is fed by mis-management (Coma specifically) and big dollars paid-out to the "big stars" (almost everyone, exclusive of Mac, Reddick...). I have mentioned Crawford previously, but it appears to be spreading. For those still confused: If losing is OK at the Mgmt level (Coma), and bad Mgmt decisions, especially pitching, go uncontested by Theo and above, complacence seeps in REAL QUICK.
    Posted by PetesCall[/QUOTE]



    So, in your opinion, the Sox are losing because they just don't want to win right now? If only baseball was that simple. Believe it or not, the game is more than just wanting to win. You say they think "losing is OK". I say that this is the same team that the baseball world feared for much of the season. Rough stretches happen; hot streaks happen too. Over the course of 162 games, weird things are bound to occur. They're not losing because they don't care, but because they're in the midst of a rough patch.
     
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    Are there any GREAT managers in baseball? LaRussa & Torre 2 of the most succesfull managers of the past 20 years totally MURDER their bullpens on a year to year basis. They also have no faith in anyone who has not played in MLB for at least 10 years. Mike Soscia gets all this credit for stealing bases, and yet fails in handling his pitching staff more than the previously mentioned guys. The great Jim Leyland has teams play EXACTLY to their level of ability, never above it (you could argue that he should have been WAY more successful in Pittsburgh). Does anyone think Charlie Manuel is a baseball genius? For all the complaints about Francona (and I am not saying that some of them are not valid) the truth is, the manager has a very small impact on overall team success during the course of season (unless there is some major unrest in a locker room...in which case, keeping the team focused on the goal at hand can be difficult). During the post season managers are exposed a bit more. Bobby Cox managed 14 straight division champions and was outmanaged every year in the post season. Ron Washington showed that he barely knew wha he was doing in the world series last year. What I am saying is: While it is comforting to blast the manager, the truth is that he is rarely the source of any result good or bad. Tito handles the team about as well as it could be handled (Is there a candidate out there who you think would have better results with this team since 2004...he has won 2 World Series), it comes down to the players on the field executing, if you are on the roster, you need to perform when called on. The team that does that wins...the other teams ..golf.
     
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    [QUOTE]How long will it take for you guys to discern that there's a mediocrity that's crept into the RS dugout? Most of this mediocrity is fed by mis-management (Coma specifically) and big dollars paid-out to the "big stars" (almost everyone, exclusive of Mac, Reddick...). I have mentioned Crawford previously, but it appears to be spreading. For those still confused: If losing is OK at the Mgmt level (Coma), and bad Mgmt decisions, especially pitching, go uncontested by Theo and above, complacence seeps in REAL QUICK.
    Posted by PetesCall[/QUOTE]

    You clearly do not understand baseball.  They apparently need to go 162-0 for people like you to be happy.  They have lost their number 4 starter back in the spring(Daisake) for the season and probably next, they lost their number 2 starter John Lester for a brief period, they lost their number 3 starter Clay Buchholz for most of the season and probably the postseason, they recently lost their number 1 starter possibly for the remainder of the regular season, they also lost the new presumptive number 3 starter,Erik Bedard, whom they traded for as "insurance" . They have largely had a pitching staff comprised of journeymen(Andrew Miller,  etc) and a bunch of number 5 starters at best.  Under these very difficult circumstances Francona's team for the most part has played excellent baseball(they have the best road record in the AL not an easy thing to accomplish for any team) until their recent stumbles which are inevitable, its called the law of averages something you clearly don't understand.  Francona is the best post WW II manager of this franchise period.  If you cannot see this you are not paying attention!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Are the "Coma-Lovers" Ready to Capitulate? : You clearly do not understand baseball.  They apparently need to go 162-0 for people like you to be happy.  They have lost their number 4 starter back in the spring(Daisake) for the season and probably next, they lost their number 2 starter John Lester for a brief period, they lost their number 3 starter Clay Buchholz for most of the season and probably the postseason, they recently lost their number 1 starter possibly for the remainder of the regular season, they also lost the new presumptive number 3 starter,Erik Bedard, whom they traded for as "insurance" . They have largely had a pitching staff comprised of journeymen(Andrew Miller,  etc) and a bunch of number 5 starters at best.  Under these very difficult circumstances Francona's team for the most part has played excellent baseball(they have the best road record in the AL not an easy thing to accomplish for any team) until their recent stumbles which are inevitable, its called the law of averages something you clearly don't understand.  Francona is the best post WW II manager of this franchise period.  If you cannot see this you are not paying attention!
    Posted by william93063[/QUOTE]

    +1
     
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    Indeed, what a buffoon Francona is to have forced Matsuzaka, Buchholz and now Beckett to get injured!  Idiot!  And it was pure arrogance to allow Crawford to dig such a deep hole for himself in the first half.

    Now we're going to end up with only 95-98 wins and a playoff spot AGAIN....what a rubbish manager. Any decent manager would win 115-125 games with this team, right?
     
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    Boy,Coma pitched horrible last night didn't he?
     
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    Francona has been sent into a gun fight with a bunch of spoons. This pitching staff is toast. Here come the rays!
     
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    My one gripe with him has always been bullpen management. I can't believe Tito let Bard melt down like he did with NOONE readying. His JOB is to prevent just such meltdowns and he sit on his hands and let it happen, as has happened many times in the past. It's become a joke with me and my father. Lackey will look good through 6, have over 100 pitches, and we know whats coming: he comes out in the seventh, and gives up just enough runs/base runners to lose, or not be factored in the decision before the Manager comes to get him. I understand being smart with a bullpen, I also understand giving your team the best chance to win...sometimes it seems like bullpen safety is the first concern rather than winning.
     
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    Sox will make the playoffs.  It is whether they will win once they get there.

    Lackey was a bad signing, but he is ours.  He has the potential to pitch well in the playoffs.  So does Bedard.   Beckett will be back, Buck will pitch in some capacity.  At least we have a chance. 

    Next year we need to sign an Ace. 
     
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    "sometimes it seems like bullpen safety is the first concern rather than winning."

    That is exactly what Tito is doing now until to the post season.  It is just these fans just do not understand baseball.  All they care is winning and do not care about injuries!!!   
     
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    [QUOTE]Sox will make the playoffs.  It is whether they will win once they get there. Lackey was a bad signing, but he is ours.  He has the potential to pitch well in the playoffs.  So does Bedard.   Beckett will be back, Buck will pitch in some capacity.  At least we have a chance.  Next year we need to sign an Ace. 
    Posted by soxmeister[/QUOTE]

    bad signings: slackey, jd crawford, bobby jenks.
    and, no, the SOX will not make the playoffs.
    and, yes, theole will be fired! 
    hopefully, terry 'coma, too.
     
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    Where are the "coma" crew when the Sox rip off 9 of 10?  Sitting on your hands waiting for the next opportunity to bash.  Jimy Williams had you guys pegged -- managing little league is not the same as MLB.  There are 19 games left, if they go .500 they hit around 95 wins.  They will more than likely make the playoffs.  Anything can happen then.  Get some perspective. 
     
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      IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEO & TITO ARE NOT TAKING ANY OF MY CALLS !!! HOPE THAT THEY ARE READING HERE ON BDC !!Undecided
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Are the "Coma-Lovers" Ready to Capitulate? : As soon as you call him "coma," you lose all credibility.
    Posted by davetheknave[/QUOTE]


    as soon as you apologize for him, you lose all credibility.
    'COMA, 'COMA, 'COMA.
    wanna apologize for theo, also?
     
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    [QUOTE]Where are the "coma" crew when the Sox rip off 9 of 10?  Sitting on your hands waiting for the next opportunity to bash.  Jimy Williams had you guys pegged -- managing little league is not the same as MLB.  There are 19 games left, if they go .500 they hit around 95 wins.  They will more than likely make the playoffs.  Anything can happen then.  Get some perspective. 
    Posted by CablesWyndBairn[/QUOTE]


    wanna bet?
     
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    They followed 2-10 with 9-1
    They followed 1-4 with 14-2
    They followed 1-6 with 17-3

    Now, what's the concern?
     
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    [QUOTE]They followed 2-10 with 9-1 They followed 1-4 with 14-2 They followed 1-6 with 17-3 Now, what's the concern?
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover[/QUOTE]  THATS GREAT NEWS (#'s).... NOW ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GO 18 AND 4 THE REST OF THE WAY FOR THE DIVISION. MAYBE THAT BECOMES LESS VITAL AND THE W C IS THE TICKET !!  GOT TO GET HEALTHY AND REDISCOVER HOW TO WIN !!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Are the "Coma-Lovers" Ready to Capitulate?:
    [QUOTE]Wow, this Petescall is a weird guy.
    Posted by Pollyanna1964[/QUOTE]

    I agree.  Fans should keep things positive and good things will happen.
     

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