Re: Athletes and religion
posted at 3/5/2012 6:35 PM EST
In Response to Re: Athletes and religion
In Response to Re: Athletes and religion : . A good Christian must be a good patriot. Love of country and respect for authority, religious as well as civil is important. That doesn't mean Christians have to follow unjust laws. It does mean they need to try to change those laws in an appropriate manner.
Posted by 67redsox
You can only follow one God. You seem to feel that way on abortion ( common abortion, via the pill, IUD,) as murder. After reading your rationale of when life begins I am inclined to agree with you on the contraception issue. I never got into the details of how the pill and IUD work. On the other hand, I really don't see how using a condom is much different from using the rhythm method.
In re-reading the thread I was surprised at your above comments that are highlighted. I've also re-read comments by Chilliwings and JesseyEric about morality. It made me ponder what teachings of Jesus would be different from the generic "garden variety" standards of "morality" that they claim to be attributable to being "accountable" and a good citizen or patriot. Our law system writes the standards of what being a law-abiding citizen should be and our nationality / patriotism dictates what a good patriot should be. Common sense, common decency, the Golden Rule , and peer group pressure add to the "garden variety" definition of morality that many civilized people adhere to. So through generations we all learn from ancestors what it means to be charitable, a good citizen, a patriot, good mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters. We learn what to do to stay out of jail and how not be be the target of town gossip.
So the question is what benefit did I or 67Redsox and others in this thread gain by attending religious education classes in Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish institutions, or by going to church and listening to sermons or homilies over our lifetimes? What makes Christians or religious Jews different than those who obtain their morality in other ways outside of the church?
I will make an attempt to answer these questions by asking you several questions.
If you can only have one boss or God to rely on to make decisions in your life and that advice may conflict from several different bosses then which do you choose?
Jesus told you "Thou shalt not kill" ( see 67Redsox thoughts on abortion above). Peer group pressure, laziness to go to the drugstore to buy condoms, and the Pro-Choice advocates may tell you that what a woman decides to do with her own body is supreme but what would Jesus say? Didn't he say "Thou shalt not kill"? There is no excuse for abortion.
You are right out of college in 1965 and the country is involved in the Viet Nam War and you are drafted. Your buddies from high school have enlisted and the townspeople ( peer group pressure) are proud of them. As a true patriot you must follow them or be scorned upon and be disowned by the community. Yet your church and Jesus told you that Jesus said "Love your enemies" and "Thou shalt not kill". Do you become a consciencious objector, move to Canada, or foresake your religion in order to obey the God of patriotism? The decision involves how you must answer to Jesus upon reaching Heaven. You might be standing in a line that includes Iraqi soldiers who bulldozed live enemy troops into a ditch while they were sleeping, Nazis who were following orders and rounded up Jews to strip and walk into the shower which was a gas chamber. Will Jesus forgive you, then he also has to be consistent and forgive the Iraqi and the Nazi. Who is your God here, your patriotism or you God Jesus Christ?
You are called to jury duty and are told that a guilty verdict might mean that the defendant will be put to death. As a citizen, you feel as if it is your civic duty ( peer pressure) and many good people in town with " garden variey" morality tell you "send the no-good S-OB to the electric chair. They believe in the Old Testament code of an eye for an eye, but you believe in the New Testament teachings of the man who called himself the Son of God named Jesus. Jesus said "thou shalt not kill". Who is your God here, who do you follow? The teachings of Jesus were counter to those of the Law-and-order "garden variety" of morality, civic norms in his community. He was a maverick.
You are on a bus in Selma, Alabama in 1958 and a frail old black lady gets on and wants to sit down and there are empty seats in the front of the bus but the driver says " All ni-ggers" go to the back of the bus. You are very upset by this racist treatment since your religious upbringing teached you that we are all God's children and you are your brother's keeper. Do you make a scene and object because you know that it is the moral thing to do both in your heart and from your religious education. You wonder if you speak out, will the townspeople tell the KKK and they will call you a ni-gger lover and burn down your house next week. Who is your boss here?
You are a high school basketball coach for a lily-white WASP suburban community and are in the process in October of choosing two more spots on the team. There are four kids in the last cut, two Protestants, a black, and a confessed gay. The black and the gay are the better players. Your job security is based on how successful your team is but also on the recommendation of the prejudiced school board. What do you do? Your family's prosperity and happiness is one boss while your religion tells you something else. Who is your boss?
"That doesn't mean Christians have to follow unjust laws. It does mean they need to try to change those laws in an appropriate manner." --- 67Redsox
In each of the above situations, was there time to change laws, deliberate, change public / peer opinion. No, it was time to act upon your religious convictions. Many with the "garden variety morality" would have made the easy decision, the easy way out. Only those who subscribe to one leader would choose the more difficult road. It is not easy to follow your religious convictions. You can only serve ONE BOSS.