Re: Athletes and religion
posted at 3/1/2012 11:08 PM EST
In Response to Re: Athletes and religion
In Response to Re: Athletes and religion : 67 - First - thanks for the good wishes on the smoking issue. You know I adore you, but some of what you say doesn't work in real life for many people. However, no one should ever tell you to put down the Bible. That is your right and I will defend you forever on that. But: Pregnancy due to rape or incest should be treated as a medical condition and it certainly is not a natural or normal consequence of life. Mortal sin doesn't work because the Catholic Church has changed its view on what is and what is not a mortal sin. As I stated earlier, missing mass was a mortal sin for a good portion of my life and you most certainly could not receive communion if you missed Mass and did not confess this mortal sin. Yet now, it is perfectly okay to attend mass whenever one feels like and receive communion. Confession not required. What happened, the Church change their views on sin? And why is this no longer a mortal sin but contraception still is? Who decides this? The Catholic Church and its hiearchy took part in the worst criminal cover-up for centuries and that was the abuse of children by many in the priest hood. And we will not even get into their treatment of women as nothing more than 2nd class citizens. Pope Gregory himself committed the greatest of mortal sins when he condemned Mary Magdalene to a life of prostitution for centuries even though her only crime was to follow Jesus of Nazareth. The repercussions of this act are still felt by women throughout the world.
Posted by jesseyeric
I find that some people dislike the church because of false information.
For example it is still a mortal sin to miss mass and you do have to go to confession before you receive communion, so no changes there. If anyone tells you a different story then they don't know what the church teaches.
You are right in saying those priests who abused kids and those who covered up the situation have committed grave sin and have caused a great scandal in the church. I can go into what was going on in the seminaries during the 60's and 70's to produce such men but that's a whole other discussion.
Where did those men come from, where do teachers, ministers and scout leaders who abuse children come from? Society of course. So what does that say about the morals in our country?
My younger son went to a school that uncovered a child sex abuser who was a teacher and my older son went to a school who had a teacher who sexually abused kids. Thankfully neither of my kids were involved.
Does this mean all teachers are abusers, of course not. Does this mean that kids shouldn't go to school and parents shouldn't believe in education their kids?
No, that would be silly.
It's just as silly to turn ones back on the teachings of Christ because of the sins of a few men.
Those men will have to stand before God on judgment day. I pray for the victims and the victimizers.
The fact is the church does not teach that abusing children is ok, they teach that it's a mortal sin. If the abuse of kids was a part of church teaching then you would certainly have a right to be angry at the church. So if you want to be angry be angry with those men, not the church. I am blessed to go to a church with good and holy priests.
I worked at a pro-life center for a couple of years. There was an abortion mill next door. I could tell you stories! These mills have less oversite that vet centers. A spoke with a young woman in early early twenties that had her uterus perforated while having an abortion. The abortion doctor wouldn't help her so she came to us. She had to have a hysterectomy in her early twenties.
That is one of many horror stories I could tell you but I won't. There is nothing safe about an abortion. The child is ripped limb by limb from mom's womb, the sharp point of the broken bones can cut a women up pretty good.
As far as rape goes why does the child receive the death sentence for the sins of his father? I once heard a women speaking on chastity to high school kids.
she said she was a product of rape and very forcefully said no one has the right to tell her she shouldn't be here.
Some women who have had an abortion after a rape said it felt like a second rape. They felt worse about the abortion because they had no control over the rape, they did have control on wether their child would live or die.
I'm a women and I don't feel like a second class citizen in the church. God chose a woman, Mary, to be the mother of Jesus. He could have come into the world by any means but he chose to come through the womb of a women. If that's not elevating womanhood then I don't know what is!
If you are thinking about the priesthood there is a very good reason why men are priest. First of all Christ chose men to be his apostles. The eleven faithful ones were at the last supper when the holy Eucharist was established. He breath on them and said they had the power to lose and bind sins.
You have two sacraments right there, communion and confession. He gave those powers to men, not women.
There is a great deal of marriage symbolism in the catholic church. The church is referred to as the bride of Christ. If the church is the bride then the bridegroom has to be a man. During the consecration at mass the priest stands in persona Christie, in the person of Christ. Since the church is his bride (female) the it stands that the person who is in the person of Christ, the groom should be a man.
I find the story about Mary Magdalene to be one of the most beautiful stories in the bible. The mercy and forgiveness Jesus showed her is so incredibly tender and touching. The story gives hope to all sinners that no matter how bad they have sinned. Jesus is there to love you. This gives me great comfort. I'm not sure how you know she wasn't a prostitute.
I'm not trying to convert anyone on this board. I am disturbed by some of the nasty anti-catholic posts however. I would also like people to understand why the church so upset about loosing their freedom of religion.
If it is happening to catholics it's not unreasonable to think that one day it will happen to other groups.
You know I luv ya jessey, and I'm still going to pray for you about your smoking.