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    Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 4:19 PM EDT

    Danny Bard may have electric stuff, but he is the Calvin Schiraldi of this team.  A 100mph fastball and a huge breaking curve are no substitute for being willing and able to throw strikes, especially in the clutch.  If the Sox don't come back from the 3 runs he just gave up, that will be 8 (8!!!) losses so far this year.  Are you kidding me?  Talk about just absolutely wasting an otherwise good effort from the team today.  Whatever Bard's issue is, I don't think I want him as my partner in a high stakes skins match.  Yips anyone?
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 4:37 PM EDT

    Wow - the guy has pitched in 64 games this season (so far) and blown 4 save opportunities and suddenly he's called a choker?  The guys been worked harder than any other reliever.

    Maybe, just maybe he's got a nagging injury and he's trying to figure out how to play through it.
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 4:39 PM EDT

    2-8 and folks are calling for him to be a closer? I also seem to rremember some games where he deserved the loss but got bailed out early on. Wouldnt trust him in the 9th at all. 
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 4:49 PM EDT

         Papelbon is looking better than ever, hard to trust Bard as closer after this year...and I'm saying that as a big Bard fan. He is like the Sox, if you take away the beginning and end of year, they both would be sittin pretty.
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 4:53 PM EDT

    Did you watch the game?  He's not hurt.  His velocity is fine, and if he had the inclination, he could throw that curve for a strike.  What he's lacking right now is cojones.  I don't understand why he won't go after the opposing hitters and throw strikes.  He wants to nibble like DiceK, and then get them to chase.  Obviously, the word is out and other teams are not chasing.  Yeah, he's 1-6 now in save situations...do you think that's to be commended?  Is 8 losses in 65 innings pitched good? 
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 4:56 PM EDT

    I will say it again.  Daniel Bard = Kyle Farnsworth.  Shiraldi is another good one.  This guy is our closer in 2012?
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 5:07 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    I will say it again.  Daniel Bard = Kyle Farnsworth.  Shiraldi is another good one.  This guy is our closer in 2012?
    Posted by Gready


    In the MLB playoffs, a 102 mph fastball exits the stadium VERY quickly!
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 5:08 PM EDT

    he can't be used in clutch situations anymore.has to be assigned to mopup until he gets his head and confidence back.he obviously won't get any help from young who has no clue.
    maybe buchholz can become the 7-8 inning guy in a week or so.
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 5:13 PM EDT

    Bard had control problems coming up through the system..He had good year and half.. His last 10 outings has been bad.. His FB command is way off and according to Tito they need to have him right in a hurry..

    I wonder if Farrel has some inside scouting as former pitching coach as jays have owned him last 2 outings..

    Fatigue could be an issue as his velocity down a notch or two from 100 mph to 96 mph... also his arm slot was off in his outing on Sept 7th in Toronto..

    Pitching coach and Tito has to work on him to fix whatever is ailing him..

     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 5:19 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    Bard had control problems coming up through the system..He had good year and half.. His last 10 outings has been bad.. His FB command is way off and according to Tito they need to have him right in a hurry.. I wonder if Farrel has some inside scouting as former pitching coach as jays have owned him last 2 outings.. Fatigue could be an issue as his velocity down a notch or two from 100 mph to 96 mph... also his arm slot was off in his outing on Sept 7th in Toronto.. Pitching coach and Tito has to work on him to fix whatever is ailing him..
    Posted by TheoGM1

    your dreaming .young and coma have proven the have no club on how to straighten out pitchers. they had all season to work on slackey.when albers slipped,he only continued to get worse
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 5:23 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    he can't be used in clutch situations anymore.has to be assigned to mopup until he gets his head and confidence back.he obviously won't get any help from young who has no clue. maybe buchholz can become the 7-8 inning guy in a week or so.
    Posted by udontnojack


    Hopefully, Buchholz will be able to help the Red Sox soon.  He probably would be a good substitute for Bard, considering how ineffective Bard has been lately.  Agree with you about the pitching coach.  He also should be able to help Lackey with his pitching problems this year.   What is a pitching coach for? 
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 5:31 PM EDT

    When you throw a straight fastball, no matter the speed, sooner or later something bad is going to happen.
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 5:32 PM EDT

    Bard said in PG that his timing of the delivery is off.. better fix it in the next 48 hours..
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 5:32 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    Did you watch the game?  He's not hurt.  His velocity is fine, and if he had the inclination, he could throw that curve for a strike.  What he's lacking right now is cojones.  I don't understand why he won't go after the opposing hitters and throw strikes.  He wants to nibble like DiceK, and then get them to chase.  Obviously, the word is out and other teams are not chasing.  Yeah, he's 1-6 now in save situations...do you think that's to be commended?  Is 8 losses in 65 innings pitched good? 
    Posted by pennasoxfan67


    If he had the inclination he'd throw the curve for a strike???  Right.

    The guys has a couple of bad outings after being outstanding for most of the season and he gets ragged.

    "8 losses in 65 innning pitched good".  Not if you're a starter, but as a reliever, someone that has appeared in 63 games this season, I'd say it's very good.  Quick - which pitcher for the Red Sox leads the teams in HOLDS?  Bard. 

     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 6:41 PM EDT

     He's been great most of the year but horrible lately. As for reliability, you've got to have more than Aceves and Paps in the pen but at the moment it doesn't appear that we do. Can he be trusted with the 8th inning and longer? It wouldn't seem so but what is the alternative?
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 7:32 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    2-8 and folks are calling for him to be a closer? I also seem to rremember some games where he deserved the loss but got bailed out early on. Wouldnt trust him in the 9th at all. 
    Posted by jamesey271975

    2-9 now according to postgame on NESN. Francona blew this game.
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 7:36 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    Bard had control problems coming up through the system..He had good year and half.. His last 10 outings has been bad.. His FB command is way off and according to Tito they need to have him right in a hurry.. I wonder if Farrel has some inside scouting as former pitching coach as jays have owned him last 2 outings.. Fatigue could be an issue as his velocity down a notch or two from 100 mph to 96 mph... also his arm slot was off in his outing on Sept 7th in Toronto.. Pitching coach and Tito has to work on him to fix whatever is ailing him..
    Posted by TheoGM1

    Francona keeps using Bard and Albers too even though both are having major problems, thus we are losing games with this going on. We had that game today for a win and it was lost by Bard but more so by Francona for leaving him in.
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 8:06 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    When you throw a straight fastball, no matter the speed, sooner or later something bad is going to happen.
    Posted by TexWrecks


    How many things went wrong from 4/8-9/5?  For those 5 months, his ERA was 1.46, allowing 33 hits and 13 walks in 61.2 IPs.

    He's pitched incredibly well this year, just not in the past couple of days.

    You people are incredibly short-sighted.
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 8:11 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City : How many things went wrong from 4/8-9/5?  For those 5 months, his ERA was 1.46, allowing 33 hits and 13 walks in 61.2 IPs. He's pitched incredibly well this year, just not in the past couple of days. You people are incredibly short-sighted.
    Posted by Joebreidey

    I agree with this but the sum of a players year is his entire year.  Right now Bard's year is good but he certainly hasn't pitched "incredibly well" all year.  * losses and an ERA over 3 just don't ad up to that.

     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 8:30 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City : I agree with this but the sum of a players year is his entire year.  Right now Bard's year is good but he certainly hasn't pitched "incredibly well" all year.  * losses and an ERA over 3 just don't ad up to that.
    Posted by snakeoil123


    Fair enough.  It just seems to me that he allowed 4 runs on opening day, allowed 5 runs on 9/7, and was almost perfect in between.  The other day, Pedroia was 'mired' in a 5-game slump.  It seems like more than one or two bad games in a row requires some of our 'fans' to abandon our players.  Do you recall what they were saying about Paps and Beckett last year?
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 9:11 PM EDT

    Watch him pitch. If you know anything about baseball, his arm slot is lower than normal and has been that way for a month now. 

    He's got a dead arm and should not be used.

    Terry?
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 9:25 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    Watch him pitch. If you know anything about baseball, his arm slot is lower than normal and has been that way for a month now.  He's got a dead arm and should not be used. Terry?
    Posted by ADG


    I agree, but he did have 4 days off.
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 9:33 PM EDT

    But both times he blew it when he started off putting men on base for no reason. Why the world he have to put men on bases when his team was up by 3 runs last week and 2 runs today.  

    Difference between him and among other fast ball pitchers, he doesnt give up too many hits.  He just walked too many.  He just need to get his confidence with his pitches!!

    He ll be fine during the post season.  Once Boston make into the playoff, Tito is going to rest him often!!
     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 10:31 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City:
    In Response to Re: Bard = Choke City : Francona keeps using Bard and Albers too even though both are having major problems, thus we are losing games with this going on. We had that game today for a win and it was lost by Bard but more so by Francona for leaving him in.
    Posted by DirtDawgSox

    Like Woodward and Bernstein in the parking garage, you're missing the overall. Today's loss itself isn't that important, especially since the O's just helped us out. The Sox will be in the playoffs as the wild card.

    What is important is that it's mid-September and Daniel Bard can't throw a strike. If Daniel Bard isn't Daniel Bard, our stay in the playoffs will be very brief.

     

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    Re: Bard = Choke City

    posted at 9/14/2011 11:34 PM EDT

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    I will say it again.  Daniel Bard = Kyle Farnsworth.  Shiraldi is another good one.  This guy is our closer in 2012?
    Posted by Gready


    Farnsworth has 23 saves, a 5-1 record, 1.7BB/9 and a WHIP of 1.01.  Is this really the point you were trying to make?