Baseball America ranks farm systems

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    Baseball America ranks farm systems

    While we're still enjoying watching the Sox in the World Series,here's something else to be  thinking about:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/a-simple-accounting-of-farm-system-impact-potential/

     
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    By at least one metric we have the number 1 system!!!

    I suspect when all the top farmsystems come out including BA we will be a consensus top 3 top 5

     
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    Thanks for the exciting news on Monday!

     
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    News about Westmoreland really stinks...he was another serious talent.

     
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    By at least one metric we have the number 1 system!!!

    I suspect when all the top farmsystems come out including BA we will be a consensus top 3 top 5

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    I think when considering the teams organizational talent closest to making a MLB impact, the Sox are obviously the top dog. But that depth goes deeper than AAA and AA. I believe the Sox should be in the top 5 farm systems for a while ocnsidering who we have in the lower levels.

     
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    News about Westmoreland really stinks...he was another serious talent.

    [/QUOTE] yes..


     
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    I think when considering the teams organizational talent closest to making a MLB impact, the Sox are obviously the top dog. But that depth goes deeper than AAA and AA. I believe the Sox should be in the top 5 farm systems for a while ocnsidering who we have in the lower levels.

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     That's exactly what I was thinking.There's some good young talent down in the lower levels.It bodes well for the future.

     
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    Hey, at least it will only take the yankees 5 years to replace Posada.  Too bad they haven't done anything other than Brendan Ryan for a new SS, Lyle Overbay for a new 1B, Jayson Nix for a new 3B, and Miguel Pineda for a new ace.  God I LOVE Brian Cashman!!!!!

     
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    The Yankees rank 16th out of 30th.  Puts them right in the middle of the pack, I do recall earlier having a conversation about the strength of their lower system.  This list was compiled using weights, and prospects in the lower minors were worth much less than the ones in the higher leagues.

    With that said it's easy to see that the Yankees clearly have many more highly regarded prospects in the lower depths than most other teams.

    That can mean three things: If more things go wrong than good for them, they will still have a middle of the pack to weak system, if more things go right than bad they could have one of the strongest systems in a few years. 

    What is more likely and reasonable, is that some will go bust some will rise up and they will be right were they are now and somewhere in the middle of the pack.  Because as horrible as they've been at drafting talent in recent years one area they have done better than most teams is bringing in young international talent....I don't expect that to change.

    .....but here's to hoping all of there prospects go BUST! and all of ours push their ceilings higher. 

     
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    What we have in A ball is Mookie Betts and Swihart. That is about it for star potential players in A ball. 

    Buttrey, Calahan, Coyle all could end up being major league players and of course a few more but Betts and Swihart are the only stud in the bunch although I've not given up on Calahan or Coyle. We do have some Dominican players who may emerge soon from rookie ball.

    What sets us apart are the upper level guys like Cechinnit, Barnes, Webster, Bogaerts, Bradley...etc.

     
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    What we have in A ball is Mookie Betts and Swihart. That is about it for star potential players in A ball. 

    Buttrey, Calahan, Coyle all could end up being major league players and of course a few more but Betts and Swihart are the only stud in the bunch although I've not given up on Calahan or Coyle. We do have some Dominican players who may emerge soon from rookie ball.

    What sets us apart are the upper level guys like Cechinnit, Barnes, Webster, Bogaerts, Bradley...etc.

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    Soxprospect.com has the following players slotted below the AA level for 2014:

    C  Jon Denny (#19)

    SP Luis Diaz (#21), Trey Ball (#9), T Stankiewicz (#16), J Callahan (#24), Ty Buttrey, (#23), Kukuk (#28), Mercedes (#33), S Gomez (#34), P Light (#35), McGrath (#36)

    SS Tzu- Wei Lin (#37) & Jose Vinicio

    OF Manuel Margot (#14), H Ramos (#31), de la Cruz (#21), Longhi (#40 is 18 yrs old)

    2B Wendell Rijo (#20), Sean Coyle (#27)

    Plus...

    3B Rafael Devers (#25 is 17 years old)

    Plus...

    moving up from A to AA?

    Swihart (#8), B Johnson (#15) and Betts (#10) were at Salem in 2013

     
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    Owens also spent a good amount of time in A ball last year

     
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    I haven't given up on Brian Johnson, I see a lot of Brandon Workman in him.  Wendell Rijo and Manuel Margot perhaps have ceilings as high as most in our system and they were A ball guys.  Well I cause technically Rijo only had a few at bats in a ball. But still.....we got guys down there.

    Lets not forget Kukuk, who got start to fly up if he improves his command.

     
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    Luis Diaz is another guy to keep an eye on, I'm also starting to lose confidence in Coyle.  He's got sone big power for a middle infielder, but he has holes in his swing being exposed in A ball.

     
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    Luis Diaz is another guy to keep an eye on, I'm also starting to lose confidence in Coyle.  He's got sone big power for a middle infielder, but he has holes in his swing being exposed in A ball.

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    29 XBHs in 240 ABs shows some hope.

     
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    33. % k rate repeating A ball, I'm not too impressed.  Yes the pop is there, but if he has a bad hit tool in A ball and is being exposed here then Major league hitters will feast off of him.

    Ill give it to him he was injured plagued last year, but it just feels that the world is full of many more Kolbin Viteks than Will Middlebrooks.   If he doesn't make some kind of progress this year then at some point he is just stealing playing time from Mookie Betts. 

    Like I said the power was nice, I agree and perhaps his injuries derailed a better season.  this year is a big year for him.

     
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    33. % k rate repeating A ball, I'm not too impressed.  Yes the pop is there, but if he has a bad hit tool in A ball and is being exposed here then Major league hitters will feast off of him.

    Ill give it to him he was injured plagued last year, but it just feels that the world is full of many more Kolbin Viteks than Will Middlebrooks.   If he doesn't make some kind of progress this year then at some point he is just stealing playing time from Mookie Betts. 

    Like I said the power was nice, I agree and perhaps his injuries derailed a better season.  this year is a big year for him.

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    I'm not saying he will become a good MLB player, but he does have potential.

    I'm not as hung up on K rates as many people are here, but I understand if you are striking out that much at the A level, there must be a major hole in your swing.

    My point remains valid, we have plenty of good potential players at the A level or just coming out of the A level. Way more than our share. We have added some top draft picks and international players to the mix and may end up with 1-4 extra picks next draft.

     
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    33. % k rate repeating A ball, I'm not too impressed.  Yes the pop is there, but if he has a bad hit tool in A ball and is being exposed here then Major league hitters will feast off of him.

    Ill give it to him he was injured plagued last year, but it just feels that the world is full of many more Kolbin Viteks than Will Middlebrooks.   If he doesn't make some kind of progress this year then at some point he is just stealing playing time from Mookie Betts. 

    Like I said the power was nice, I agree and perhaps his injuries derailed a better season.  this year is a big year for him.



    I'm not saying he will become a good MLB player, but he does have potential.

    I'm not as hung up on K rates as many people are here, but I understand if you are striking out that much at the A level, there must be a major hole in your swing.

    My point remains valid, we have plenty of good potential players at the A level or just coming out of the A level. Way more than our share. We have added some top draft picks and international players to the mix and may end up with 1-4 extra picks next draft.

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    I don't disagree with anything you're saying, actually I think we both have a good idea of the talent in our system.  I'm just not very high on Coyle after last year.  The K rates do concern me, if he strikes out at such a high rate in A ball how will he do in MLB?  Now of course he can make improvements and adjustments and improve his approach etc etc etc, and I'm giving him no credit for that because it seemed like his growth was stagnant last year.

    I'll concede that that was partially due to his injury, so perhaps this year will be the year were we will see if he has a future, or if he fades away. 

     
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    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Sean Coyle struck out in 29.0 percent of his 224 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=coyle-001sea

    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Will Middlebrooks struck out in 25.1 percent of his 481 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=middle001wil

     
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    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Sean Coyle struck out in 29.0 percent of his 224 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=coyle-001sea

    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Will Middlebrooks struck out in 25.1 percent of his 481 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=middle001wil

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    Coyle is is trouble if he doesnt change his approach.

     
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    The Yankees rank 16th out of 30th.  Puts them right in the middle of the pack, I do recall earlier having a conversation about the strength of their lower system.  This list was compiled using weights, and prospects in the lower minors were worth much less than the ones in the higher leagues.

    With that said it's easy to see that the Yankees clearly have many more highly regarded prospects in the lower depths than most other teams.

    That can mean three things: If more things go wrong than good for them, they will still have a middle of the pack to weak system, if more things go right than bad they could have one of the strongest systems in a few years. 

    What is more likely and reasonable, is that some will go bust some will rise up and they will be right were they are now and somewhere in the middle of the pack.  Because as horrible as they've been at drafting talent in recent years one area they have done better than most teams is bringing in young international talent....I don't expect that to change.

    .....but here's to hoping all of there prospects go BUST! and all of ours push their ceilings higher. 

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    Red, 

    I don't hope that the Yankee prospects go Bust as you say. I hope they do well, but not as well as ours of course. We may view the Yankees as the Evil Empire but it is the yearly rivalry with them that is a great part of the game. 

    Hetch

     
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    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Sean Coyle struck out in 29.0 percent of his 224 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=coyle-001sea

    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Will Middlebrooks struck out in 25.1 percent of his 481 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=middle001wil

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    Yes but Middlebrooks has made it, and Coyle has yet to prove himself beyond single A.  Actually he's barely proved himself at single A. 

     
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    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Sean Coyle struck out in 29.0 percent of his 224 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=coyle-001sea

    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Will Middlebrooks struck out in 25.1 percent of his 481 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=middle001wil

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    Yes but Middlebrooks has made it, and Coyle has yet to prove himself beyond single A.  Actually he's barely proved himself at single A. 

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    Yes, Middy has made it to the bigs, but his future here is still in doubt.

    32 HRs in 660 PAs looks fanatastic as do the 103 RBI, but the falling BA and fielding concerns handed his job to Bogey.

    I'm not overly concerned about the 168 Ks, but if he continues to bat .227 (.271 OBP in 2013) then the Ks do become an issue. The Sox will not play a sub .300 OBP at 3B or 1B for too long.

     
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    The Sox also had some young talent on the major league roster besides Bogaerts:

    23: JBJ & Webster

    24: Britton, de la Rosa, Middy, & Workman

    25: Doubront, Lava & Holt

    26: Villareal, Wilson, & Snyder

    27: Tazawa, Morales, Carp & de la Torre

    28: Buch, Salty, Miller, Wright & Berry

    29: Lester, Ellsbury, Pedroia & Bailey

     
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    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Sean Coyle struck out in 29.0 percent of his 224 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=coyle-001sea

    As a 21-year-old at High A Salem, Will Middlebrooks struck out in 25.1 percent of his 481 plate appearances.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=middle001wil

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    Yes but Middlebrooks has made it, and Coyle has yet to prove himself beyond single A.  Actually he's barely proved himself at single A. 

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    Yes, Middy has made it to the bigs, but his future here is still in doubt.

    32 HRs in 660 PAs looks fanatastic as do the 103 RBI, but the falling BA and fielding concerns handed his job to Bogey.

    I'm not overly concerned about the 168 Ks, but if he continues to bat .227 (.271 OBP in 2013) then the Ks do become an issue. The Sox will not play a sub .300 OBP at 3B or 1B for too long.

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    I'm not saying Middlebrooks is a sure thing to lock down the 3B position for years to come and he has his issues....but he is by far more proven than Coyle.  He has a track record above single A, and despite his flaws 32 HR's and 103 RBI's in 660 PA is still 32 HR's and 103 RBI's, and he's still young.

    Middlebrooks also put up better numbers when he got to Portland and Pawtucket and rose to be our #1 ranked prospect.  Now not all #1 ranked prospects are created equal; I remmeber on a recent Soxprospects podcast they talked about where Middlebrooks would rank in our system now if he was a prospect today, and they placed him somewhere in the 4-5 range. 

    Meanwhile Coyle is ranked #27th in our system.  I'm not saying Coyle doesn't have similarities, and upside.....because he does.  I just don't think he has given us a lot to be optimistic about the last two years. 

     
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