Batting Order

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    Re: Batting Order

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    How many times do teams miss the playoffs by 1-3 games?

    Even if that is all a line-up matters, it is still important to do the best you can.

    Just batting 3rd instead of 4th gives a batter 15-20 more PAs in a season. That alone can be the difference maker in a game or two. OBP up first, speed in front of slow, power behind OBP, etc... It all adds up.



    Absolutely, that 1 or 2 games can mean the difference between making the playoffs or not. 

    However, 1 or 2 games is the difference between the optimal line up and the traditional line up.  The difference between one traditional line up and another traditional lineup, where someone like Victorino is moved from the #2 spot to the #7 spot, is typically about 3 runs a season.

    It is likely more beneficial to put a batter in a spot where he is comfortable than it is to put him in spot because he fits the prototypical profile for that spot.  It is also likely more beneficial to split up your LHH than it is to put hitters in their prototypical spots.

    Unless a manager is willing to go against the grain and do something as seemingly whacky as batting Papi first or batting a pitcher 4th, it really doesn't matter what the line up is. 

    Many of the things that managers go by in setting line ups are accepted for no other reason than that they have been done forever.   That doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

     

     
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    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    Actually, by putting papi #3, hes guarenteed to bat in the 1st inning, which i think is important. Vic can then be moved down to help our weak 7-9 and balance things out better. So actually, the counter move would help us in this situation.




    It may be important, but it isn't so important that it overcomes the offset in another batting spot when Papi is moved up.  The #3 hole is not as important as traditional wisdom believed it to be.

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Batting Order

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    How many times do teams miss the playoffs by 1-3 games?

    Even if that is all a line-up matters, it is still important to do the best you can.

    Just batting 3rd instead of 4th gives a batter 15-20 more PAs in a season. That alone can be the difference maker in a game or two. OBP up first, speed in front of slow, power behind OBP, etc... It all adds up.

     



    Absolutely, that 1 or 2 games can mean the difference between making the playoffs or not. 

     

    However, 1 or 2 games is the difference between the optimal line up and the traditional line up.  The difference between one traditional line up and another traditional lineup, where someone like Victorino is moved from the #2 spot to the #7 spot, is typically about 3 runs a season.

    It is likely more beneficial to put a batter in a spot where he is comfortable than it is to put him in spot because he fits the prototypical profile for that spot.  It is also likely more beneficial to split up your LHH than it is to put hitters in their prototypical spots.

    Unless a manager is willing to go against the grain and do something as seemingly whacky as batting Papi first or batting a pitcher 4th, it really doesn't matter what the line up is. 

    Many of the things that managers go by in setting line ups are accepted for no other reason than that they have been done forever.   That doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

     



    Come on. Other than Papi up 1st and a pitcher 4ht, it "really doesn't matter"?

    Putting Salty up 2nd makes not difference over Pedey or Nava/Gomes?

    Putting Drew up 3rd make no difference at all?

    Are you are using hyperbole to make your point, or do you really believe this?

     
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    When Miguel Cabrera is batting 9th, then I'll believe it makes no difference.

     
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    Re: Batting Order

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to RedSoxKimmi's comment:

     

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    How many times do teams miss the playoffs by 1-3 games?

    Even if that is all a line-up matters, it is still important to do the best you can.

    Just batting 3rd instead of 4th gives a batter 15-20 more PAs in a season. That alone can be the difference maker in a game or two. OBP up first, speed in front of slow, power behind OBP, etc... It all adds up.

     



    Absolutely, that 1 or 2 games can mean the difference between making the playoffs or not. 

     

    However, 1 or 2 games is the difference between the optimal line up and the traditional line up.  The difference between one traditional line up and another traditional lineup, where someone like Victorino is moved from the #2 spot to the #7 spot, is typically about 3 runs a season.

    It is likely more beneficial to put a batter in a spot where he is comfortable than it is to put him in spot because he fits the prototypical profile for that spot.  It is also likely more beneficial to split up your LHH than it is to put hitters in their prototypical spots.

    Unless a manager is willing to go against the grain and do something as seemingly whacky as batting Papi first or batting a pitcher 4th, it really doesn't matter what the line up is. 

    Many of the things that managers go by in setting line ups are accepted for no other reason than that they have been done forever.   That doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

     

     



    Come on. Other than Papi up 1st and a pitcher 4ht, it "really doesn't matter"?

     

    Putting Salty up 2nd makes not difference over Pedey or Nava/Gomes?

    Putting Drew up 3rd make no difference at all?

    Are you are using hyperbole to make your point, or do you really believe this?

     



    Actually, it has been determined through fairly recent study that for the ideal lineup:

     

    1) The best OBP hitter should lead-off

    2) The 2nd hitter should also have a good OBP

    3) The best overall hitter should bat 4th, with power; think OPS

    4) The most powerful should bat 5th (assuming he's not the best hitter)

    5) (surprise) The next best hitter (better than the 6th, worse than 1,2,4,5) should bat 3rd - Note: Contrary to what was done since the beginning of baseball when it was believed this is where the best hitter should bat; from Cobb, to Ruth, TW, DiMag, Musial, Mantle, Mays, Aaron, Clemente, Barry Bonds, etc

    6) The ideal 6th place hitter should be higher power, lower OBP, than 1,2,9

    7) Hopefully, this lesser hitter can do well in the clutch; should have some occasional power as well.

    8) The worst hitter

    9) Preferably a guy with good OBP, to complement the top of the lineup

     

     
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