Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years)

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years) : In 2008 his era was 4 and he only pitched 174 innings because he only started 27 games.  He gave up 4 or more runs in 10 of his starts.  Sure he got shelled a few times, but there were plenty of merely average starts. In 2006 his era was 5.  How is that not terrible exactly? 
    Posted by pcmIV[/QUOTE]

    Are you kidding?  The ERA for the American League was 4.97 in 2006....the AL WHIP was 1.414.  Beckett was 5.01, 1.295.  If you care about wins, he won 16 games.  I cannot understand how someone can consider a league-average ERA, a better than league average WHIP and 16 wins "terrible".  BTW, he was paid $4.325m in 2006.

    Please explain that to me.  Seriously.
     
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    [QUOTE]Never mind the won / loss record. Never mind the ERA. Never mind the off the field stuff. Just watch Beckett pitch. His fastball has diminished tremendously. He is trying to re-invent himself.  It is not working. 2011 is over. This is about right now. Josh has become very hittable. Isn't that obvious ?
    Posted by dgalehouse[/QUOTE]

    Ah, I get it now.  Thanks!  To clarify:
    • Beckett, dominant in 2011, has physically lost "it" over the winter break; and
    • Facts don't matter, the key is what guys on the internet think they see on television plus their ability to telekinetically know what players are thinking and what happens in the clubhouse.
    What a breath of fresh air that is.

    How's your Edsel running these days?


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years) : I did not critisize him because I respect his abilities to make sound baseball decisions. As I said before, I had and have zero respect for Francona's managerial abilities. BV knew why he left Beckett in the game. Given the exact same circumstances and situation, if Frasncona made the exact same move, he would NOT know why he did.
    Posted by BOSOX1941[/QUOTE]

    Hey, maybe the Sox would be 10 games over .500 if Francona was here...idiot.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years) : Ah, I get it now.  Thanks!  To clarify: Beckett, dominant in 2011, has physically lost "it" over the winter break; and Facts don't matter, the key is what guys on the internet think they see on television plus their ability to telekinetically know what players are thinking and what happens in the clubhouse. What a breath of fresh air that is. How's your Edsel running these days?
    Posted by Chilliwings[/QUOTE]

    Beckett had a strong year in 2011 but he broke down and the fell apart in the end, when it really mattered, which he tends to do these days (Since 2008).

    This year, he has not given his team a good chance to win in 7 of 16 starts and  has been inconsistent - you just don't have confidence that you can win when he goes out there.

    Often times he takes his team out of the game early (doesn't show up in common stats like ERA) and his last start (as one example) he gave up the lead on 2 separate occassions.

    Beckett HAS lost his stuff.  That is obvious.  His FB is 90-91, he know longer bothers w/ his 2 seamer b/c it's gone, and he can't always get his curve over for strikes........

    Clearly Beckett has lost it.  He went from the best pitcher on the planet in 2007 to an average pitcher at best today......How can you not see that?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years) : Ah, I get it now.  Thanks!  To clarify: Beckett, dominant in 2011, has physically lost "it" over the winter break; and Facts don't matter, the key is what guys on the internet think they see on television plus their ability to telekinetically know what players are thinking and what happens in the clubhouse. What a breath of fresh air that is. How's your Edsel running these days?
    Posted by Chilliwings[/QUOTE]

    Beckett had a strong year in 2011 but he broke down and the fell apart in the end, when it really mattered, which he tends to do these days (Since 2008).

    This year, he has not given his team a good chance to win in 7 of 16 starts and  has been inconsistent - you just don't have confidence that you can win when he goes out there.

    Often times he takes his team out of the game early (doesn't show up in common stats like ERA) and his last start (as one example) he gave up the lead on 2 separate occassions.

    Beckett HAS lost his stuff.  That is obvious.  His FB is 90-91, he know longer bothers w/ his 2 seamer b/c it's gone, and he can't always get his curve over for strikes........

    Clearly Beckett has lost it.  He went from the best pitcher on the planet in 2007 to an average pitcher at best today......How can you not see that?

     
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    Let's be clear here unless you are pitching like Clay Buchholz, the only way you win is praying Ortiz comes back, praying AGon goes into a power surge, pray Pedroia actually hits, and pray that the Sox can get away with no LF (CC/Nava) and no quality SPs in the No. 1 and 2 slots.
     
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    Let's be clear here unless you are pitching like Clay Buchholz, the only way you win is praying Ortiz comes back, praying AGon goes into a power surge, pray Pedroia actually hits, and pray that the Sox can get away with no LF (CC/Nava) and no quality SPs in the No. 1 and 2 slots.
     
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    Remember, the only thing Beckett cares about is September 30th, 2014

    The only thing Drew cared about was September 30th, 2011

    And the only thing Crawford cares about is September 30th, 2017
     
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    [QUOTE]Go back and look at the RS that Greg Maddux got and still managed 15 wins in 15 straight seasons. Then present your argument again.
    Posted by harv53[/QUOTE]

    Harv, Harv....wins?  Wins?  Still with the wins?  C'mon, surely you can u/s why wins (and less so, losses) have lost almost all their relevevance?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years) : Harv, Harv....wins?  Wins?  Still with the wins?  C'mon, surely you can u/s why wins (and less so, losses) have lost almost all their relevevance?
    Posted by Chilliwings[/QUOTE]

    So just to be clear, the team with best ERA get the TROPHY???  Got it.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years) : So just to be clear, the team with best ERA get the TROPHY???  Got it.
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    Oof, a clumsy thrust easily parried, Andrew.  ;-)

    We both know you're not among the Bill-iot, witch-burning, W-L community...surely you can take the p1ss out of me better than that....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years) : Oof, a clumsy thrust easily parried, Andrew.  ;-) We both know you're not among the Bill-iot, witch-burning, W-L community...surely you can take the p1ss out of me better than that....
    Posted by Chilliwings[/QUOTE]

    you have to look at everything together

    you seem to just want to throw away W's when afterall, they are the reason why you play the games......( unless you of course are a bleeding heart liberal and think that all sporting events shouldn't keep score so that everyone can feel like winners!!!  :)    )
     
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    In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years):
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Beckett Can't Catch a Break (Or Why He Could be 35-8 Over The Last Two Years) : you have to look at everything together you seem to just want to throw away W's when afterall, they are the reason why you play the games......( unless you of course are a bleeding heart liberal and think that all sporting events shouldn't keep score so that everyone can feel like winners!!!  :)    )
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    Wins are 100% of how a team should be evaluated....in the words of BB quoted here earlier "you are your record".

    But wins are a team stat...extend the logic....look back at 26 May 1959....did Haddix (apols to Zac (I think)) pitch "just well enough to lose"?

     

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