Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from ConcernTroll. Show ConcernTroll's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    http://www.boston.com/community/forums.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aSportsForum%3a3fc713da-4715-4925-b94c-c14bddc7d8f4Discussion%3a972dc321-9958-41a0-bc97-963abab15681
     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from fivekatz. Show fivekatz's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    In Response to Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?:
    joe, I'm trying to figure out why he posted that on a board that has routinely begged for a starting pitcher to actually throw 8 innings. I'd love to see more of this type of "out of the box" thinking by the friendly Tito. I insist the pen for the sox has always hit the skids later in the season due to overwork, and many times it's because Tito would rather tax his relievers with too many pitches, too many appearances, and coddle his overpriced starting pitching. It should be the other way around.
    Posted by dannycater
    Francona's employers who pay those overpriced starters probably would not agree. I think they probably are glad that it was Manny Delcarmen who was worked into the ground and probably out of baseball rather than an $80M starter. Just saying...
     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from Diamondtalk. Show Diamondtalk's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    Beckett had no problem with it.    Let's see if it took it's toll when his next start comes up.   
    Francona is still trying to see what the starting pitchers are all about.
     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from silversteinsox. Show silversteinsox's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    I've heard posters say that starting pitchers are wimps and so are the managers and bring back the Bill Monbouquette mentality which was for starters to pitch the whole game every time out. Then I hear that the Sox ruined Dick Radatz by overusing him. One thing for sure is that whatever your opinion is, there is someone on this forum who will take issue with you.
     
    Nowadays the ownership is more researched, has better medical specialists and medical technolgy, and has more risk ( huge investments in players) to force them to be extremely cautious in handling pitchers. Our opinions may have mattered and been relevant in the old days but now the FO is much more knowledgeable than us. How many of us have a file of MRI images on each player and a staff of specialists at Mass General to hire.
     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from mrmojo1120. Show mrmojo1120's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    This is from WEEI.com:

    Of the many story-lines to come out of the Red Sox’ 4-2 win over the Angels Thursday night in Anaheim, one was the amount of pitches Sox manager Terry Francona left Josh Beckett in for — 125, the second-highest pitch count the pitcher had ever experienced.

    The number was the second-most pitches Francona has allowed a starter to deliver in the season’s first month since he took over as manager in 2004. The highest? The much-scrutinized 133-pitch outing by Curt Schilling on April 25, 2006 in Cleveland. (It should be noted that Francona got caught in a 10-pitch at-bat with Jason Michaels, Schilling’s final batter.) The second-most came last season when John Lackey tossed 120 pitches.

    Yet while it isn’t the norm for Francona to be going 120-plus pitches with starters in April, with history being our guide, there really shouldn’t be a huge outcry when it came to leaving Beckett in to face Maicer Izturis having already thrown 118 pitches.

    Many are still stung by what happened to Schilling following that outing in Cleveland. After one start, the then-ace went on to turn in a 5.73 ERA in May. But the two scenarios really shouldn’t be compared.

    The problem with leaving Schilling in was that he was 1. He was coming off an injury-plagued season in ’05; and (this is the big one) 2. The righty ended up throwing more pitches in that month (April) than any other month in his career (674). So, really, it was more about the entirety of the season’s first 30 days than it was that one game.

    So, where does that leave us with Beckett?

    Beckett currently stands at 435 pitches for April. With one more start to go in the month he figures to eclipse his previous biggest April workload as a member of the Red Sox, in ’09 when he totaled 530 pitches. It was that first month, two seasons ago, that should offer optimism.

    Immediately after that April in ’09, Beckett tore off perhaps the best run of his career. In May he went 3-0 with a 2.38 ERA. June saw the righty go 4-1 with a 1.51 ERA. And July finished with Beckett going 3-1 with a 3.55 ERA for the month.

    Moral of the story: Look at the month and look at the pitcher. Don’t just look at the game.

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from silversteinsox. Show silversteinsox's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    I imagine that the thread was started by someone who read the WEEI article. Again we and the WEEI author know less than Red Sox management.
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from SpikeCunn5. Show SpikeCunn5's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    Wow I am thinking he had no chance if he takes someone out to early you guys are going to issues and if he makes a mistake you will roast him Thank you I don't have his job. All the arm chair Managers questioning his every choice
     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from M1A2. Show M1A2's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    I will guarantee that, had Francona taken Beckett out after 7 (with I think 107 pitches), fireballer 58 would have lead the outcry that he came out too soon.

    I expected him to leave after 7, but had no problem with the extra inning which, it turns out, proved critical because it allowed Bard, Jenks, and Papelbon to each pitch one inning to secure a win and a save. 

    Francona gambled because the thought the game was winnable, and he was right.  Wild applause. 
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from fir.eballer58. Show fir.eballer58's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    What is history of being injured? Prior to last year's injury, he's averaged over 30 starts per year in the previous 5 years.

    www.boston.com/community/persona.html?UID=a58b8cf388c7d2ac70d451af9b56564e&plckUserId=a58b8cf388c7d2ac70d451af9b56564e">Joebreidey

    Posts: 8723

    Let’s look at his disabled list history:

    May 1,2002 - 15 Day Disabled list - (blister on the middle finger of his right hand)
    May 14,2002 - Activated
    Jun 5,2002 - 15 Day Disabled list - (right middle finger blister)
    Aug 24,2002 - 15 Day Disabled list - (blister to his right middle finger)
    Sep 11,2002 - Activated
    May 9,2003 - 15 Day Disabled list - (right elbow sprain)
    Jul 1,2003 - Activated
    May 31,2004 - 15 Day Disabled list - (blister to his right middle finger)
    Jun 16,2004 - Activated
    Jun 25,2004 - 15 Day Disabled list - (pulled muscle in his lower back)
    Jul 5,2004 - Activated
    Jul 6,2004 - 15 Day Disabled list - (skin tear to his right middle finger)
    Jul 30,2004 - Activated
    Jun 17,2005 - 15 Day Disabled list - (blister to his right middle finger)
    Jun 30,2005 - Activated
    Jul 8,2005 - 15 Day Disabled list - (left oblique strain)
    Jul 23,2005 - Activated
    May 14,2007 - 15 Day Disabled list - (Finger)
    May 29,2007 - Activated
    Mar 24,2008 - 15 Day Disabled list - (Lower back strain)
    Apr 6,2008 - Activated
    Aug 28,2008 - 15 Day Disabled list - (Inflamed right elbow)
    Sep 5,2008 - Activated
    May, 19,2010-Disabled list - (Lower back strain)

    July 23,2010-Activated
    Note carefully that the list includes injuries besides blisters.

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from jimdavis. Show jimdavis's posts

    Re: Beckett threw 125 pitches last night; Did Francona leave him in too long? Do you have a problem with this?

    Stop posting the same stuff in different spots. We get it.  This is a four game series on the road.  The Sox needed length from each starter.  Josh threw eight easy innings.  You can make it a huge deal if you want to but the stress was very low in the game unlike the Lester outing.  Please move on folks.  Maybe we should keep Beckett under glass and just come get him every fifth day.
     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share