Ben Cherington is no Bill Belichick

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    Well the major difference is that Ben Cherington is a GM and not a coach. Bill Belichick is a Coach not a GM. 

    Belichick can mold players because he is a dominant force in the locker room and has the ability to have you play or not. Don't forget, in the NFL, most contracts are not guaranteed. So if BB doesn't think you're hustling, guess what, you're cut and not making a dime. 

    BC does not have this ability because this is not the case in MLB. All contracts are guarenteed money, if you cut them, they are still getting paid. So there is considerably less leverage by the FO.

    Plus BC is not a dominant force in the clubhouse, same for all MLB GMs. That is the managers (Bobby V's) job to do.  


     
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    [QUOTE]You know how Belichick has a knack for signing a "bad guy" and having him quietly adopt the Patriots' way of doing things? You know how it always seems to work out? I just don't know if Cherington has what it takes to do the same thing, especially with baseball's guaranteed contracts. As toxic as the Red Sox clubhouse was last year, (and that's the real difference between the Patriots and Red Sox) it's hard to believe Cherington brought a guy like Vicente Padilla into the fold. A millionaire athlete who can't pay five hundred bucks a month child support for TEN kids??? As they say in the beer commercials, BRILLIANT!
    Posted by davetheknave[/QUOTE]

    Not exactly.  They had to cut ties with Randy Moss, and this year Albert Haynesworth didn't even make it to the playing field.  I think some of the other guys Bill has cut over the years were because of personal issues too.
     
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    Is Davetheknave the Globe's BDC backroom designated starter of ridulous threads. He really outdid himself on this one.
     
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    [QUOTE]Well the major difference is that Ben Cherington is a GM and not a coach. Bill Belichick is a Coach not a GM.  Belichick can mold players because he is a dominant force in the locker room and has the ability to have you play or not. Don't forget, in the NFL, most contracts are not guaranteed. So if BB doesn't think you're hustling, guess what, you're cut and not making a dime.  BC does not have this ability because this is not the case in MLB. All contracts are guarenteed money, if you cut them, they are still getting paid. So there is considerably less leverage by the FO. Plus BC is not a dominant force in the clubhouse, same for all MLB GMs. That is the managers (Bobby V's) job to do.  
    Posted by stodknocker[/QUOTE]

    Belichick split GM duties with Scott Pioli, until Pioli left for the Chiefs, in '09, I think it was.

    Since then, Belichick is, for all intents and purposes, the GM of the Patriots. He has final say in all personell decisions.

    The rest of your post is dead on.
     
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    [QUOTE]You know how Belichick has a knack for signing a "bad guy" and having him quietly adopt the Patriots' way of doing things? You know how it always seems to work out? I just don't know if Cherington has what it takes to do the same thing, especially with baseball's guaranteed contracts. As toxic as the Red Sox clubhouse was last year, (and that's the real difference between the Patriots and Red Sox) it's hard to believe Cherington brought a guy like Vicente Padilla into the fold. A millionaire athlete who can't pay five hundred bucks a month child support for TEN kids??? As they say in the beer commercials, BRILLIANT!
    Posted by davetheknave[/QUOTE]

    Padilla has a minor league deal. It won't be difficult to release him, if necessary.

    If the initial reports are true, I hope they do release him. However, often as not, intial reports are "incomplete".
     
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    [QUOTE]You know how Belichick has a knack for signing a "bad guy" and having him quietly adopt the Patriots' way of doing things? You know how it always seems to work out? I just don't know if Cherington has what it takes to do the same thing, especially with baseball's guaranteed contracts. As toxic as the Red Sox clubhouse was last year, (and that's the real difference between the Patriots and Red Sox) it's hard to believe Cherington brought a guy like Vicente Padilla into the fold. A millionaire athlete who can't pay five hundred bucks a month child support for TEN kids??? As they say in the beer commercials, BRILLIANT!
    Posted by davetheknave[/QUOTE]

    Riiiiiight.

    Never mind the obvious ridulous nature of comparing a football coach with a baseball GM, but

    you cite Padilla, who he signed to a MINOR LEAGUE contract with no promise of having any kind of role on the big club, as just a long-shot to turn it all around, as your example of Cherrington not undertanding the need to change the clubhouse toxicity level ... 

    and conveniently leave out glue/dirt-dog/positive/by-all-reports hard-working guys that he signed to real bona fide major league contracts like Nick Punto, Cody Ross, Melancon, Bailey, Sweeney?  


     
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    [QUOTE]You know how Belichick has a knack for signing a "bad guy" and having him quietly adopt the Patriots' way of doing things? You know how it always seems to work out? I just don't know if Cherington has what it takes to do the same thing, especially with baseball's guaranteed contracts. As toxic as the Red Sox clubhouse was last year, (and that's the real difference between the Patriots and Red Sox) it's hard to believe Cherington brought a guy like Vicente Padilla into the fold. A millionaire athlete who can't pay five hundred bucks a month child support for TEN kids??? As they say in the beer commercials, BRILLIANT!
    Posted by davetheknave[/QUOTE]

    So, to clarify, you are saying that Cherrington "is no Belichick" AND that you "just don't know if Cherington has what it takes to do the same thing".  Is that right?
     
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    In Response to Re: Ben Cherington is no Bill Belichick:
    [QUOTE]John Henry is no Tom Brady (an analogy that makes about as much sense as the original post)
    Posted by thepeskypole6[/QUOTE]

    However, David Ortiz most certainly is a Vince Wilfork ... except one is offense and one is defense ...  and the whole baseball/football thing ... and ... oh, nevermind.
     
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    In his attempt to be the next Belichick, Cherrybomb has ordered a new "hoodie" for the upcoming season.

    He hasn't started wearing them yet because they sent him these by mistake:




    They heard his voice and thought he was Theo.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Cherington is no Bill Belichick : Belichick split GM duties with Scott Pioli, until Pioli left for the Chiefs, in '09, I think it was. Since then, Belichick is, for all intents and purposes, the GM of the Patriots. He has final say in all personell decisions. The rest of your post is dead on.
    Posted by ThefourBs[/QUOTE]

    Touché sir, touché 
     
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    [QUOTE]In his attempt to be the next Belichick, Cherrybomb has ordered a new "hoodie" for the upcoming season. He hasn't started wearing them yet because they sent him these by mistake: They heard his voice and thought he was Theo.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD[/QUOTE]

    Gotta cut those sleeves! 
     
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    Apples and Oranges.....it is much easier for Belichek to take a guy and use him in specific ways and specific packages that hide his deficiencies....that is not easy to do long term in Baseball. That is why some guys can be succesful as a Utility guy, but could never cut it as a everyday player....play them everyday and you see why they are utility guys.....the only retreads in baseball that seem to regularly surprise people are LH specialists....not too many examples of hit happening with regulars and rotation guys. 
     
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    And I'm sure after BB was on the job for 4 months you were saying "Belichick is no Red Aurerbach". 
     
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    [QUOTE]You know how Belichick has a knack for signing a "bad guy" and having him quietly adopt the Patriots' way of doing things? You know how it always seems to work out? I just don't know if Cherington has what it takes to do the same thing, especially with baseball's guaranteed contracts. As toxic as the Red Sox clubhouse was last year, (and that's the real difference between the Patriots and Red Sox) it's hard to believe Cherington brought a guy like Vicente Padilla into the fold. A millionaire athlete who can't pay five hundred bucks a month child support for TEN kids??? As they say in the beer commercials, BRILLIANT!
    Posted by davetheknave[/QUOTE]
    Always thought Belichick was better when bringing in the low cost FA's no one else was chasing? The L.Izzo types when they were winning their SB's. Seems to me the Chad Ocho / A.Haynesworth types of recent years has not worked out so well. Maybe Ben C knows what he's doing and all the people criticising him will look foolish at end of year? But what do I know I'm a RS / Giants fan from CT.
     
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    great to see the knee jerk bootlickers going into a frenzy because someone dares to compare the two GM's of a town's professional sports organizations.....jeez, why not shut this site down now if this is not a kosher topic....shame on you Space - I expected better from a free thinker like yourself
     
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    [QUOTE]great to see the knee jerk bootlickers going into a frenzy because someone dares to compare the two GM's of a town's professional sports organizations.....jeez, why not shut this site down now if this is not a kosher topic....shame on you Space - I expected better from a free thinker like yourself
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    I feel no shame G.  I think I posited pretty 'freely' why I think the comparison is ridiculous.  Cherry-picking a lark minor league contract for Padilla as proof of Cherrington not having a Belichek-esque understanding of team culture is, in my free-thinking opinion, ludicrous in the face of real team-building signings of guys like Punto, Sweeney, Bailey, Ross, not to mention, instead of just taking the easy route and throwing money at high priced overrated guys, giving shots at jobs to hungry guys like Bard and Aviles.  If you ask me, the overwhelming vibe of this off-season building y Cherrington has been, well, Bellichekian.  Cherry-picking Padilla is weak.
     
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    No response from the history teacher. He must be grading his students' exams. He will be back in the forum after he opens his brown bag in the faculty room at 11:30 am and pulls out a cheese sandwich and his IPad. We will then learn why Padilla with a non-guaranteed minor league contract at Pawtucket is the meauring stick that Cherrington will be graded upon.
     
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    i wasnt referencing Padilla....i was simply comparing the two in player evaluation acumen.....bill B would NEVER had let a guy like marco go and rewarded a foul-up ingrate like papi/beckett with a big contract and reserved roster spot....
     
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    [QUOTE]i wasnt referencing Padilla....i was simply comparing the two in player evaluation acumen.....bill B would NEVER had let a guy like marco go and rewarded a foul-up ingrate like papi/beckett with a big contract and reserved roster spot....
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    Aren't posters supposed to respond to the specifics of the OP instead of going off on a tangent?
     
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    [QUOTE]i wasnt referencing Padilla....i was simply comparing the two in player evaluation acumen.....bill B would NEVER had let a guy like marco go and rewarded a foul-up ingrate like papi/beckett with a big contract and reserved roster spot....
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    No?  Or perhaps he would, seeing a guy like Beckett as a Randy Moss, witch-hunted, rather than the 'foul-up ingrate' that the witch-hunting masses shout out in indignant righteousness.  And, in any case, Beckett's contract had very little, if anything, to do with Ben C. anyway.  

    And to say BB would never let Marco go is exactly my point about comparing apples and oranges and not seeing the whole picture.  Marco was moved for financial reasons, period.  Had nothing to do with baseball personnel.  How do I know?  Cuz Marco was the first freakin guy Ben C. made sure to lock up after the disastrous season end.  Baseball money decisions and football money decisions are totally different. 

    And, to you point about evaluating players, I stand by my posts:  Padilla is a wash.  Padilla = Haynseworth.  Everyone else that Cherrington has brought in, at least by inner Bill B. make-up guage, seem to be the kind of guys you want to build a no-nonesense team of smart gamers.


     
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    disagree strongly Space...no way does a player like Beckett NOT get traded by BB after his sorry september act...Moss was a great player, greater than beckett - he was gone as soon as he started repeating his old selfish ways - beckett has that same history and ben cowed to his defiant garbage (which he is still spouting today...read VEGAS thread) and he remains on the team....

    imagine Papi interrupting BB at a post game press conference?????  lololol - yet Ben offers him arbitration despite our luxury tax woes....

    dumb
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Cherington is no Bill Belichick : Aren't posters supposed to respond to the specifics of the OP instead of going off on a tangent?
    Posted by LadyLake[/QUOTE]

    Padilla was a head case who burned ben's faith in signing him...why try to spin that??? stupid move...the length of the contract is irrelevent...we signed a bum and he acted like one....Im more concerned about the SS hole than padilla...but both make him look bad...and to compare him to BB????  have some respect please....
     

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