Ben is an idiot GM

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    "trading Scutaro freed up money to sign Ross"

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    They were up against the tax which forced them to not make bold moves. Sending Scutaro with his 6 million dollars allowed them to sign the 3 million dollar Ross.

     
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    they signed him to a good deal? lol..they signed him to exactly the deal i said they would when the season was over....there was no mystery here - just Ben refusing to pull the trigger and move forward...god help[ us again this off season....expect more dumpster dives and marginal players added to the roster....joeyB of course will rave about these nonmoves as being shrewd...lol...

     

    Breslow

    Lillibridge

    melancon

    Bailey

    Morteseon

    Cook

    instead of...Paps, Scutaro, Reddick, Albers......how much damage can one guy do in one year?

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    Breslow is better than Albers and is a lefty which allowed the Sox to use Morales as a starter, trading Scutaro freed up money to sign Ross, Bailey is an All-Star closer. Cook was a non roster invite.  Trase Youk let Will Middlebrooks play. All solid move in my book.

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    Bobby v TRADed youk and started morales (ben refused to do either until he had no choice)...the other two things u said made me laugh out loud....ross replaced JD drew, not scutaro....time for a new excuse....ben is solid as gas

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    Trading Scut gave the 6 million to work with. Ok so now Bobby V is GM? Even if Bobby V forced the trade what should have Ben done? Morales was back in the bp before the trade. I will repeat this once again Breslow is better than Albers. Also Bailey has been an All-Star and will be an elite closer again.

     
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    Can someone explain to me the logic of lowballing an icon like papi for a TWO YEAR contract? What is to be gained? 5 Million? Apparently to Ben that is the magic number that allowed him to justify letting Paplebon walk, trading marco for, and now papi....

    Ben hires Farrell (who i am not happy about considering his record and history as Franconas coat checker) but he is the antiValentine - he brings good vibes to a team that needs him. I think thats important for at least next season...so what does he do with this new direction & goodwill? He squanders it on the Papi talks....even if he ends up signing him he has lost momentum/support of all the players...if the sox cant respect papi and value him, who do they value?  Even worse, papi signs elsewhere....what is the message there to the fans and players? Papi was productive and very much in shape and motivated last yr. He was one of the few players to suck it up and support the manager (or at least not whine like a biotch).....im not one for rewarding past heroics, but Papi is asking for two years, not twenty....wake up gentle ben...

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    A good manager will help any club but it doesn't necessarily come from just tactical decisions he makes throughout the year.  Francona wasn't a great manager before coming to Boston and made a lot of questionable moves throughout his time in Boston as well.  We won two WS because he was likable and had the supporting cast/chemistry around him. 

    People also forget we had Manny, Youk and Papi in in 07, along with solid chemistry, pitching and supporting staff.  Signing Papi was a good first step, especially on our terms but we still need another bat or two as well as better pitching.  

     

     

     

     
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    Can someone explain to me the logic of lowballing an icon like papi for a TWO YEAR contract? What is to be gained? 5 Million? Apparently to Ben that is the magic number that allowed him to justify letting Paplebon walk, trading marco for, and now papi....

    Ben hires Farrell (who i am not happy about considering his record and history as Franconas coat checker) but he is the antiValentine - he brings good vibes to a team that needs him. I think thats important for at least next season...so what does he do with this new direction & goodwill? He squanders it on the Papi talks....even if he ends up signing him he has lost momentum/support of all the players...if the sox cant respect papi and value him, who do they value?  Even worse, papi signs elsewhere....what is the message there to the fans and players? Papi was productive and very much in shape and motivated last yr. He was one of the few players to suck it up and support the manager (or at least not whine like a biotch).....im not one for rewarding past heroics, but Papi is asking for two years, not twenty....wake up gentle ben...

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    Now that Valetine is gone. Big Papi will be much happier with Farrell managing the club. Most of the players did not like playing under B.V.

    For all the FA's you mention, i will agree except Napoli, Swisher and Greinke.

    (1) Napoli would of been a good replacement for Ortiz cause Napoli can play 1st and catcher. Other positive he can also be a DH also with Salty being the starting catcher, with Lavarnway being in the mix. Sign Loney for 1st base and same thing Napoli can back up 1st base also. In review Napoli will be playing full time with  three different positions and will be helpful for interleague gms with the natioinal league teams. ie pinch hitter and " yes injuries do happen". I would sign Napoli to a one year deal and take it from there.

    (2) Swisher would also be a good signing for for Sox cause he can still avg. over 20 HR's and last season with the yanks he knock in 93 RBI's. He is a 1st basemen and also a RF. With Loney on 1st with Swisher or Napoli backing up that spot will keep Loney honest and wanting to keep his position. The outfield will be Ross Elsbury Swisher with Sweeney and if Kalish can show he is rehab from his injuries during spring training will be the other depth OF'er. Swisher would be a better signing now that Big Papi is signed and with Salty and Lavarnway being the 2 catchers.

    (3) Greinke will be the most consistent pitcher for Boston. Put him in the second spot after Lester follow by Buch,Doubront and Lackey on the bottom giving time to rehab his Tommyjohn injury. After ten gms that Lackey pitched next season and if his arm is good condition then the sox starting rotation will be consistent and much better then last season.

    Sign greinke to a 2 year deal id he is willing to do so if not then go out and see if jackson or saunders will sign a 2 year deal.

    Finally, once farrell has his coaching staff assemble they can work on getting the key elements for the bullpen with Bailey, Breslow, Atchison, Morales, Padilla, Acevez  and maybe give Bard and Melancon a one year shot. I am not familiar with the bullpen contracts but farrell will make the pitching roster much better this season then last.

    Overall review the starting line can start as this:

    Elsbury CF, Ped SS, Ross LF, Ortiz DH, Swisher RF/1B, Salty C, Middlebrooks 3B, Loney 1B, Inglesias SS and Ciriaco back up 3B,SS and 2B.

    The only two new faces in the roster will be Swisher and Greinke. Why go out on a FA signing bender when really the sox don't need too.

     
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    this was verry funny to read.... it was meant as a comedy thread right? yea im sure it was you rascal you 

     
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    ..expect more dumpster dives and marginal players added to the roster....joeyB of course will rave about these nonmoves as being shrewd...lol...

    Lillibridge

    Paps, Scutaro, Reddick, Albers......how much damage can one guy do in one year?

    Bobby v TRADed youk 

    LOL!  So the Lillibridge move was damaging and was Ben's fault, but when someone defends the move, you give credit to Bobby for the trade.

    So the Lillibridge trade was bad and the Youk trade was good?

     
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    joey, are you saying that ben initiated that trade for youkilis.. or did youk's whining and diva act make it inevitable??? i know you know the answer.....trading youk before he was washed up and and inserting middlebrooks before the injury would have been a great GM move....what happened after was unfortunate, distracting, and added to the clubhouse nonsense that started in 2011...then again Ben actually believed Beckett was a useful pitcher in the 2012 season.....think about how delusional that was given his blockheadedness and fatness...Ben has the reverse Midas touch... 

     
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    Signing Papi to this contract is one of the stupidest and most generous contracts just after the debacles with Crawford, Beckett, A-gone, and Lackey.  Does Papi have some hidden leverage? Could the last year be an option?  Papi could go down again or revisit 2009 and he is making 27 million for two years. Lunacy.

     
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    joey, are you saying that ben initiated that trade for youkilis.. or did youk's whining and diva act make it inevitable??? i know you know the answer.....trading youk before he was washed up and and inserting middlebrooks before the injury would have been a great GM move....what happened after was unfortunate, distracting, and added to the clubhouse nonsense that started in 2011...then again Ben actually believed Beckett was a useful pitcher in the 2012 season.....think about how delusional that was given his blockheadedness and fatness...Ben has the reverse Midas touch... 

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    Will Middlebrooks was producing much better than Youk was. They tried to make it work by sitting guys and switching positions. It was obviously not working that way. Getting rid of Youk was the right move. Its hard to get something of great value back for an oft-injured guy whos been in decline and is owed 12M.

    Beckett was nothing short of great last year before september. He had a 12-5 record and a 2.54 ERA at the end of August. He went 1-2 in September and still ended the year with a sub 3 ERA. Beckett has been hard-headed his whole career, so nothing new there. No reason to think he wouldnt be Ok in 2012.

    Like ive said before. It doesnt matter what BC does because your disdain for the guy will overshadow any move he makes. You will find a way to put a negative spin on it no matter what facts are presented or how ridiculous your reasoning may be.

     
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    Signing Papi to this contract is one of the stupidest and most generous contracts just after the debacles with Crawford, Beckett, A-gone, and Lackey.  Does Papi have some hidden leverage? Could the last year be an option?  Papi could go down again or revisit 2009 and he is making 27 million for two years. Lunacy.

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    2 years and 26M is a far cry from 7 years and 142M or 7 years and 154M...The deal was good for a number of reasons that have been mentioned throughout this forum.

     
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    COME ON MAN!!!  He just got ride of a tremendous amount of dead money.  Ben cannot afford to go out and make the same mistakes again!!!  By trying to make the big splash the team lost it's ability to be rational.  Ben needs to be steadfast and patient.

     
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    joey, are you saying that ben initiated that trade for youkilis.. or did youk's whining and diva act make it inevitable??? i know you know the answer.....trading youk before he was washed up and and inserting middlebrooks before the injury would have been a great GM move....what happened after was unfortunate, distracting, and added to the clubhouse nonsense that started in 2011...then again Ben actually believed Beckett was a useful pitcher in the 2012 season.....think about how delusional that was given his blockheadedness and fatness...Ben has the reverse Midas touch... 

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    Your boy Bobby was psychotic, and wasn't aware of what he was saying half the time.  You asked for Bobby, and you got your 69-win season.  And now he is gone and the adults are back in charge.

    Sometimes, when you are as epically wrong as you were with BV, it's best to move on, rather than to re-emphasize just how badly your suggestion worked out.

     
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    Beckett's ERA as a Dodger was 2.94.

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    That's because the LAD have a real manager.

     
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    More Ben ineptness...http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

     

     
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    More Ben ineptness...http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

     

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    Why?  It used to be that when people whined, they actually would state what they were whining about.  They didn't usually paste the URL of a website.  It usually started with 'so-and-so is inept because...'.

     
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    GEO...Ben is only inept in your mind because you think and believe you would be a better GM. You actually believe you know as much if not more than  Ben who has a whole staff evaluating all players on all teams. Your idea that not signing Ross is dumb is based solely in your non-reality. If Ross signed for a contract of his actual value it would be a smart move. However to sign him at above his value is dumb and we all know players generally over value them selves and yes teams undervalue. BTW not signing Ross will probably bring other OF who are better into play. Like Hunter, Pagan, Bourne, etc....

    Calling a GM out because he did not sign any player or did or did not make a specific trade is ludicrous. Since we have absouletly NO additional information other than rumors and inuendo. Whereas the GM as stated has a staff that actually has a plan and not a single minded focus on ONE player.

    Just like many thought they were screwing up the Ortiz negotiations seems they knew exactly what they were doing.

    Stop trying to play KNOW IT ALL GM especially when you have so little information to go on.

     
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    Another useless thread, whining about a non-issue.


    Hopefully Georom has his talking points for next week lined up...I hear it's a whole day and a half into free agency and Ben C. hasn't landed a #1 ace pitcher and a 35-HR hitting 1B yet.

     
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    Beckett's ERA as a Dodger was 2.94.

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    That's because the LAD have a real manager.

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    And a GM who he puts complete trust in.

     
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    ben got rid of crawful, buckett, and a-gone. for that, he will have my undying gratitude.

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    If you believe Ben masterminded that trade, then you are as cluelless as the other so-called experts on this forum.

     
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    GEO...Ben is only inept in your mind because you think and believe you would be a better GM. You actually believe you know as much if not more than  Ben who has a whole staff evaluating all players on all teams. Your idea that not signing Ross is dumb is based solely in your non-reality. If Ross signed for a contract of his actual value it would be a smart move. However to sign him at above his value is dumb and we all know players generally over value them selves and yes teams undervalue. BTW not signing Ross will probably bring other OF who are better into play. Like Hunter, Pagan, Bourne, etc....

    Calling a GM out because he did not sign any player or did or did not make a specific trade is ludicrous. Since we have absouletly NO additional information other than rumors and inuendo. Whereas the GM as stated has a staff that actually has a plan and not a single minded focus on ONE player.

    Just like many thought they were screwing up the Ortiz negotiations seems they knew exactly what they were doing.

    Stop trying to play KNOW IT ALL GM especially when you have so little information to go on.

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    information? i doubt he even uses that. most his rants are based on personal opinion, making sure to ignore facts and adding in false statements. just call him softy jr.

     
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    ben got rid of crawful, buckett, and a-gone. for that, he will have my undying gratitude.

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    If you believe Ben masterminded that trade, then you are as cluelless as the other so-called experts on this forum.

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    Its not about masterminding Ike.  Its about pulling the trigger.  There was big risk in pulling the plug and hitting reset.  It was a gambit.  Of course, The Dodgers and their latter-day-Theo-esque front office were  the 'masterminds' behind the trade.  But, what Ben did was have the managerial nerve to put his chips in on the all-in pot.  The fact that you do not recognize this makes it funny when you call others clueless.

     
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    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/2012/11/06/red-sox-give-david-ortiz-what-wants/qkdcF42kIISEvosxt7F6LP/story.html

     

    “They approached me really well. Our negotiations this year were easier than ever. They knew what they were looking for,” Ortiz said. “It wasn’t even a going back-and-forth type of situation. It was pretty much this is it and I agreed with it.”

     

    this is so totally bens fault for slacking off. how dare he give papi ultimatums!!

     

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