Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 3:56 PM EST

    Monster deal....that isnt looking good cuz Middlebrook, Larvanway and Raouhon could be all gone!!!

    Dont do it!!
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 3:58 PM EST

    Man.. Even though I'm not 100% comfortable with bringing in both and giving up probably 5-6 players including our top prospects, I'm liking our new GM.  He certainly knows how to run the city of Boston.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 3:59 PM EST

    lets hope ben gets it done. that would be a great christmas present for red sox nation
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 3:59 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal":
    Man.. Even though I'm not 100% comfortable with bringing in both and giving up probably 5-6 players including our top prospects, I'm liking our new GM.  He certainly knows how to run the city of Boston.
    Posted by seannybboi


    It's only a report. He hasn't done anything yet. Oh yeah, Nick Punto and Melancon.  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 3:59 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal":
    Monster deal....that isnt looking good cuz Middlebrook, Larvanway and Raouhon could be all gone!!! Dont do it!!
    Posted by GoUconn13


    Agree if all those young prospects are in the deal.  But Beane might want one or two veterans to be A's mentor.  I'll be more than happy if Youk and Salty replace Middlebooks and Lava
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 4:12 PM EST

    Don't do it, keep the kids.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 4:12 PM EST

    so much for the monster deal. gio is going to washington. nice work ben.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 4:14 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal":
    so much for the monster deal. gio is going to washington. nice work ben.
    Posted by redsoxpride34


    Nice work Ben, the best deals are often the ones that you don't make.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 4:23 PM EST

    There is other news that Boston can still add Bailey after Gio talk dies down.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 4:34 PM EST

    MONSTER ?????????   DOES THAT MEAN LUCCIANO's WILL BE GOING ???
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 4:35 PM EST

    The RS dont have enough prospects to match up on a deal like that.  Here is what it may take:

    RS get Gio Gonzalez and Andrew Bailey

    Oak gets Jose Iglesias, Anthony Raunado, Ryan Kalish, Felix Dubront, Will Middlebrooks, and Lars Anderson

    That is a lot to give up but that is how much it would take I dont think they will take any less nor should they.

    I would not do the deal unless they are really going for it this year.  Those two pieces fill major holes, but once this team gets older, there will be very little to step up and fill those gaps four or five years down the road.

    Great short term but awful long term, I just dont see it happening.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 4:46 PM EST

    Its all over so its not worth talking about, good thought, but congrats to the Nats if that goes through, what a strong rotation.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 4:50 PM EST

         Enough mistakes! Don't do it. Gonzalez isn't worth it. His earned run average away from pitcher friendly Oakland is a run higher.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 5:31 PM EST

    We need to build the minors up, not empty them out
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 5:40 PM EST

    The NL East will be as fun to watch as the AL East and the AL West. Actually the NL central may include a winner that has less than a .500 percentage.

     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 5:55 PM EST

    Why deal for Bailey when they best option you have is already on your roster, under control and affordable?
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 5:56 PM EST

    Oakland was the huge winner. Moneyball played to perfection.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 5:59 PM EST

    damn, they got a ton of great prospects for a guy who historically is a mid- pitcher away from Oakland. Oh well, sometimes its the trades you don't make that count (A-Rod anyone?). Maybe Ben can still add Bailey, but honestly I would look elsewhere and just try to add as much bullpen depth as you possibly can.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 6:51 PM EST

    In Response to Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal":
    @Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Sources: # RedSox trying to get G. Gonzalez, Bailey in "monster" deal. # Rangers , # Rays also on Bailey. # Nationals team to beat on Gio. # MLB 13 minutes ago via Twitter for Mac
    Posted by 2004Idiots


    The Sox are probably throwing crumbs at opposing GMs in hopes they bite.  I wouldn't believe anything we hear at this point about trying to swing a big deal for a starter.  All available starters and relievers are slowly being signed by others who are obviously making more serious offers.

    I hope they find more pitching help somewhere.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 7:49 PM EST

    ya but keep in mind this is the red sox not some low budget team. even if the sox made a deal like that, they would still have prospects in the system who could fill in down the road. the fact of the matter is that the sox just lost there best remain pitching option and now do not really have any good ones left.  
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 7:55 PM EST



    Sox is loaded with prospects and money. Me don't understand dis.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 8:05 PM EST

    In Response to Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal":
    ya but keep in mind this is the red sox not some low budget team. even if the sox made a deal like that, they would still have prospects in the system who could fill in down the road. the fact of the matter is that the sox just lost there best remain pitching option and now do not really have any good ones left.  
    Posted by redsoxpride34


    That's debatable.  Over the past two years, Floyd, Jckson, and Oswalt all have higher WARs.  Gio has gotten shelled by the RS, NYY, and TB.
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 8:15 PM EST

    ya well i think at this point oswalt is our best option on a 1 year deal. there could be some big name pitchers hitting the fa market next year so signing roy to 1 year deal makes sense. then we would have dice k and roy coming off the books after this year and we could use the money from those two to sign someone good. The sox should trade for bailey, sign oswalt, and then either trade for carlos quentn or sign yoenis cespedes to play right field. I would also like to see the sox sign mike gonzalez for the pen as we need a good lefty. 
     

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    Re: Ben is trying to get Gonzalez and Bailey in a "monster deal"

    posted at 12/22/2011 8:16 PM EST

    I would say that the Nats deal was sweeter than a RS comp of Ranaudo, Switek and Wilson. Cole is a stud. I think Ranaudo will be, but many are not yet sold. I do think in 2013 both Cole and Ranaudo are superior to Gio, even with Gio in the AAAA league. Gio is madding ly wild, to the point of Dicek-ish. Lots of base on balls, will give up a ton of HR's in Wash (and Fenway) I do like Switek, but he is young and has a long ways to go. For me Wilson is behind Ranaudo, Barnes and even Briton in ceiling, but Wilson is closer to getting a shot. Bottom line, Cherington will get criticized, but why settle for mediocrity when the future is much more prime time. Save the $$$ and the prospects