Re: Ben - make 1967 happen again! Keep Bogaerts, De La Rosa Webster, Bradley and Wright on 25 man roster!
posted at 2/27/2013 2:12 AM EST
Ciriaco is better than Iggy. right now.
Based on what? A small MLB sample size?
Unfortunately yes, Doesn't matter what you do in the minor leagues. the bigs is the only place where the numbers really count. There are guys who light it up in the Minors and never string it together in the bigs, the reverse is also true (but more unlikely). In short, i'll take the better player against MLB competition than the better player VS MiLB competition. Ciriaco has proven he can actually hit MLB pitching (no matter the sample size) whereas Iggy has stunk when facing MLB pitching...
A .319 OBP in a small sample size proves nothing. It's barely above his minor league mark. His 2012 OBP was below his previous ML career number, and it declined as the season went on:
You may end up being right, but making definitive judgements based on 300 and 75 PAs is not prudent.
Iggy is a better fielder and has a better career OBP in professional baseball.
Iggy is a slightly better fielder and Ciriaco is a slightly better hitter based on MLB stats (read above statement). Ciriaco is not going to set the world on fire but he is perfect for what we need him to be... a UIF. I would not choose him to be my starting SS over Iggy as i've said to you many times.
If you go by ML stats as you do with Pedro's offense, the Iggy's D is world class greatness. His UZR/150 was cosmic.
Ciriaco is a good fielder, but I think Iggy is better on defense. The offense is still in doubt, but there is very little evidence to show that Pedro is a better offensive player than Iggy. He has under 300 career ML PAs spread over 3 seasons. Everyone sees the .299 BA and says Woah! But, look closer: he has a .319 OBP which will probably end up closer to his minor league number of .299 by career's end.
not to mention with Ciriaco he isn't going to get much better so spending time in AAA isn't going to do him much good.
On the flip side, we basically know what we have with Ciriaco: about a .300 OBP versitile player. Is that good enough to keep a promising player down? I understand if you think Iggy is not ready and could "develop more" by staying in AAA. I understand that Drew will likely render Iggy or Pedro to the back-up role, so then yes, Iggy should play everyday, but some of us think Iggy was ready in 2012 or even 2011.
This is where you and i part ways.. You think Iggy is ready based solely on his glove while i think he needs to display some sort of sustained offensive production. The FO seems to feel the same way (and rightfully so), you make a big deal about how we may struggle against RHP and/or in road parks and yet you want to carry a guy who ATM would most likely get eaten alive facing MLB pitching? (as the numbers support -despite the sample size).
I think we parted ways in the paragraphs before this. And, yes I will take a struggling offensive SS who can save 50-100 hist over a season, so we can win some of those low scoring road games in Seattle and Oakland. He will shorten innings, help starters go deeper in games, improve their confidence, and save the pen. Yes, I want improved hitting vs RHPs, but I have always been about pitching and defense first.
Iggy is much much younger and can still develop and get much much better so AAA is the perfect palce for him.
Not if he is better than Drew or Ciriaco..." right now".
"right now" Drew is a better SS overall than Iggy is. Ciriaco is about even with Iggy but he gets the edge for having better ML numbers than Iggy (i am aware of the sample sizes..........)
Are you aware of the huge defensive differential in the small sample sizes?
Out of 114 SSs with 130+ innings from 2010-2012:
1) Iggy 41.5 UZR/150
37) Drew 4.3
46) Ciriaco 1.8
(Note: I am not saying Iggy is much better based on tiny sample size numbers, but am just posting this to counter your use of tiny offensive sample size judgements like Iggy's 74 PAs spread over 2 seasons.)
No matter how you slice it, until Iggy shows he can hit he doesn't deserve to be a starting MLB SS nor will he ever get the chance (barring injury). Do i think he can improve offensively?? absolutely! but until he shows it i am not handing him the job. period.
Iggy is ML ready today. He was last year. He probably was in 2011.
Let's pay a guy with a pin in his foot $9.5M to make 75 less plays in the field and get maybe 50 more hits on offense.