Re: Ben - make 1967 happen again! Keep Bogaerts, De La Rosa Webster, Bradley and Wright on 25 man roster!
posted at 2/28/2013 8:42 AM EST
This is where looking at just numbers that can be very misleading. There can be a number of factors that can lead to some mis understanding or interpretation of these numbers for example:
1. Jeter has a SS playing next to him @ 3B in Arod over the years, how many balls could Arod be cutting off that most typical 3B wouldn't? As RS fans we saw how limited Youk was in range to his left. Jeter also has a very athletic 2B on his otherside.
Jeter is one of the worst fielding SSs zI have ever seen in the past decade. To blame it on plays stolen by ARod and Cano is ludicrous.
2. GB vs FB pitchers maybe some staffs have more FB pitchers w/ higher ratio's than other staffs tough to judge w/out taking these #'s in account also.
UZR/150 measures how many balls are hit in his area vs how many plays he makes. It is not effected by one guy getting 50 balls hit to him vs Jeter 25. Jeter consistently is at or near the bottom in UZR 150 the last 10 years, including his latter GG years..
3. Pitching staff's w/ high K rates, and Yanks staff is always near the top in K's. Thats lots of outs from balls not even put in play.
4. Lower staff era. Yanks staff generally speaking has been one of the best during Jeters time in bigs. The lower the staff era the fewer baserunners and the fewer AB's for opponents. These are all factors that need to be considered when just using assists in determining how gifted a fielder is.
Look at WHIP not ERA for numbers of baserunners. They were 5th out of 14 AL teams over the last decade at 1.34. The median team was at 1.36. That's an o.o2 differential between 5th and average--hardly an excuse.
5. Errors- Jeter makes all the routine plays, while at 38 he might not have the range he once did, he does not botch up the routine play. How many times have I watched some of these guys you are rating as great SS due to assist #'s botch up the routine play w/ bases loaded and let a game get away, this never happens w/ Jeter
I'll take 10-15 more botched routine plays over a season, if I get 100+ more outs with superior range. Jet's range is about as far as his body length in either direction.
6. The eye ball test. Being here in CT and watching YES all these yrs [don't get NESN] here. I've watched Jeter play his entire career. Has he lost some range at the age of 38 of course. But let me say this about Jeter he always makes the routine play, very good to his right going into the hole. If he has a weak spot its balls to his left or up the middle. But during the course of a weeks worth of games there might be 1 or even 2 plays you might say someone else might have gotten its not that many. Jeter could play SS on my team anytime, he's one of the all time greats.
He never had even good range when younger. He has lost a lot since then. He's the worst right now. The Yanks have the second worst team RngR factor over the last decade at -93.4.
There are 50 MLb SSs with over 1000 innings over the last decade...50! Guess where Jeter places on RngR? Yes, NUMBER 50! You really think all the above factors would even bring him up to average?
There are so much more that goes in fielding than just assists and putouts.
It's about 98% of a SSs game, but I will grant you that Jeter has a great cutoff arm and on the field leadership abilities.
Its like saying a hitter is great because he has a ton of rbi's. You don't win a ton of playoff games and WS's w/ a terrible fielding SS. While Jeter has never been a rangey SS, calling him a terrible fielder is a big mis conception from people who only look at certain stats and have not watched him play day in and day out.
It's not a miscvonception: Jeter is the worst fielding SS over the last decade. Nobody else with a large enough sample size is even close. There is ample evidence to back this up, and I have seen him play over 200 games.
As a RS fan I have a great amount of respect for Jeter, and tired of RS fans who claim he is a terrible fielding SS and have not watched him play day in and day out, if hey did they would not make this claim.
It's not about me being a Sox fan. I have ripped many a Sox SS for poor range as well, and I have praised many a Yankee for great fielding as well.
Jeter's offense, leadership skills, and other intangibles makes him a plus SS, even at this age, but he clearly is the worst fielding SS over the last 5 years, and to me, even 10 years.