Re: Ben - make 1967 happen again! Keep Bogaerts, De La Rosa Webster, Bradley and Wright on 25 man roster!
posted at 2/28/2013 8:51 PM EST
In response to garyhow's comment:
I'm talking comparatively here. I have seen over 200 games by Jeter in the past 10 years, how many games have you seen other SSs play, in order to determine Jeter is not the worst?
In response to moonslav59's comment:
But he always makes the the plays.
It's about the hundreds of plays he doesn't make that you must not notice.
How many games do you watch Jeter play every year. Would be willing to bet I've seen a lot more than you. Probably thousands, unless you've had YES the past 16 years.
Nobody watches every inning of every MLB baseball game, and that is why the one of us that has clear evidence to support their position, which is me in this case, holds the stronger position. UZR/150 might be flawed, but it can't be that far off. At best he's the 25th worst fielding SS out of the top 30 SSs by innings played over the last 10 years combined.
I can't name one of these top innings SSs that was a worse fielder than Jeter from 2003-2012, but I'll grant that the numbers might be skewed to hurt Jeter, and maybe he is the 25th worst one... can you name 5 from this list (5000 innings min)?
Everett, Hardy, Vizquel, Andrus, A Ram, Izturus, Wilson, Rollins, Gonzo, Tulo, Uribe, O Cab, Y Escobar, Bartlett, Crosby, J Reyes, Aybar, Renteria, Lugo, Guzman, Peralta, Tejada, Clayton, Scutaro, Furcal, K Green, Eckstein, Drew,
Jeter is #29, then
Berroa is #30, Y Betancourt-31, HanRam-32, and M Young-33.
If we set the innings at , then we can get to exactly 30 SSs, and these guys come off the list: E Andrus, B Crosby, and R Clayton.
I wouldn't argue too hard with anyone saying HanRam and Michael Young have been worse than Jeter over the last 10 years combined, and maybe say he's about even with Betancourt, but I can't see how anyone can place him above #27 out of 30 in the field.
Here's the worst range SSs since 2003 (as based on fangraph's RngR factor):
33 out of 33: Jeter -92.5
32 Young -67.8
31 Betancourt -43.6
30 S Drew -35.1
29 Peralta -34.8
28 HanRam -31.4
Jeter has had a negative RngR in 9 of the 10 past seasons. He was +3.1 in 2009. He has had 4 seasons worse than -11.8.