Re: Betts needs to play some 2B
posted at 8/5/2014 5:44 AM EDT
In response to dannycater's comment:
In response to royf19's comment:
This thread is pathetic.
We have a player who plays the best defense at that position in the majors, who plays hard all the time, plays hurt, wants to play every day is still productive even if he's having an off year and now there is jibad against him -- that he should hand the job over to an unproven player rookie simply because he doesn't hit as many homers as in the past.
It's not a matter of being untouchable no matter how some of you want to paint it. It's a matter of a player having earned his position.
The same group of you who are saying that Pedroia has been handed the positon now simply want to hand the position to a rookie. A bit hypocritical, don't you think.
The Sox already know what kind of defense Betts can play. The question is can he hit, and the Sox can find places for Betts to play if they think he's ready.
This attack on Pedroia is ridiculously over the top -- Danny, did he kick your dog or something -- and the Yaz comparison is ridiculous. He moved to 1B because there was a need and he could play that position. How is that at all similar to Pedroia playing second base. There's not position where there's a need to fill that Pedroia would move to.
The fact is, of all the Sox issues, they don't need a second baseman. If Betts shows he can hit, there are other spots. Let him battle Jackie Bradley, another rookie, for the center field job.
And the fact that posters have to use phrases like Pedroia Cult shows how weak their argument is. They need to dress up the language simply because they really have no firm stance for their position.
If Betts can hit good enough, I want him in the lineup with Pedroia because Pedroia still is productive and has the best glove in the majors at his position.
Do not put me in the Yaz argument, I never ever brought up the Hall of Famer's name here and Pedroia is no Yastrzemski nor should be compared to Yaz's situation. But I still do not think it will hurt the pride of Pedroia, his fans, nor destroy The UNTOUCHABLE play a few games at DH, Ortiz at 1b, and Betts at 2b just to see a glimpse of what Mookie has to offer at 2b. I never said he would take his job, I never said I want him replaced, and I never said Pedroia wasn't a Gold Glove keeper (I've often said that his defense is the reason his offense isn't as important). But in a season of loss, I don't see it being an issue to allow Betts to play a little bit at 2b, say 4 or 5 games in a stretch just to see what he has to offer. If he was spectacular as has happened with some young phenoms, then you can either use Mookie as a potential trade guy or you can think about the possibility (oh my god, here comes Pedroia kicking Cater's dog again...) that Pedroia could become one of the best trade possibilities for a SP. How come it's okay to blow up the rotation and pretend it's nothing to rebuild it, and then turn around and say Pedroia is untouchable? Why is that so hard for people to comprehend. The team has to make moves to get the rotation back to being a viable one. People think Lester is returning. I don't see it happening. Dumping the Rotation was so simple for Ben, and I am forced to swallow that. But Pedroia is THE UNTOUCHABLE. I get it, I know it, but it's really amazing how a guy whose hitting has slipped is so important that you can't even let him rest for 5 games to see if Mookie has 2b skills at MLB level or not. It's not that big a deal. It really isn't.
First, why can't you state your case w/o the absolutely stupid term "untouchable." You create a false premise. It has nothing to do with a guy being untouchable. Teams don't simply sit a veteran who still is one of the best at his position even if it is an off year so they can showcase a rookie. It's simply isn't done regardless of whose name it is.
And as i stated, you gain nothing by putting Betts at second base because the Sox already know what kind of second baseman he is. Unlike offense, defense translates upward. It all comes down whether or not the Sox want to give Betts at-bats to determine if he can hit in the majors, and there are other places to give him at-bats.
And believe it or not, I have no problem with him playing a couple o games at second base to give Pedroia a rest, but a couple of games worth of at-bats tells you nothing.
Beyond that, the Sox aren't going to trade Pedroia not because he's untouchable. On one level, it's stupid. the Sox already are trying to stabilize 3B and SS. So now what, you're going to put a rookie in at 2B too. Bogaerts last year looked like he could handle hitting and I still he think will. But there are growing pains, and you don't know what kind of growing pains Betts might go through.
On another level about trading Pedey, what's so wrong about IDing a guy you don't want to trade because you want him as one of the faces of the franchise for everything he brings to the table both on the field and in the locker room?Guys who play their entire career with one team is as rare as ever. It's one thing if he was a liability, but Pedroia is hardly that. He ranks sixth among 2B overall (offense and defense), first defensively, sixth BA and RBI, 10th OPS.
The issue isn't so much letting Betts play a couple of games at second base as much of your tone. Just go back and read your posts and the tone. It borders on hysterics. You come across as portraying Pedroia as some kind of cancer of the team simply because he plays every day and that it's wrong to be a fan of his, and that it's wrong to want him as a stabilizing player among all the changes going on.