Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

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    Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    By Alex Speier/WEEI:

    For now, multiple baseball sources said late Wednesday night, there is no final decision about what will happen with Daisuke Matsuzaka, or whether he will undergo Tommy John surgery that could spell the end of his Red Sox career.

    The Japanese right-hander will meet with team officials on Thursday to decide on the best course of treatment for his sprained ulnar collateral ligament. Reports – first from Nikkan Sports, then from Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com – suggest that Matsuzaka wants to undergo surgery as soon as possible based on the medical information he and his family have received. The Sox would seemingly prefer to see if the 30-year-old could return to the mound without a surgery that usually involves a rehab process of at least 12 months.

    “We have to figure how to best go about this. The player or pitcher has to have some opinion, too,” said Sox manager Terry Francona on Wednesday. “But I think you’re always going to go about it non-operatively, first. That just seems like it makes sense to me.”

    Perhaps the Sox and Matsuzaka will emerge from Thursday’s meeting seeing eye-to-eye on that notion. Or, perhaps the outcome of the meeting will be that Matsuzaka – who said after landing on the DL just over two weeks ago that it had become too painful for him to throw – does indeed undergo surgery.

    Even if Matsuzaka doesn’t go under the knife, there appear to be few guarantees about when he might return, or whether he could be an effective member of the rotation. And, obviously, if he does need surgery, then he would be unlikely to return to the mound for the Sox until at least next summer, if ever.

    That being the case, what are the Sox’ options at a time when Matsuzaka cannot be relied upon as a contributor in 2011?

    STAY THE COURSE WITH WAKEFIELD AND/OR ACEVES

    Matsuzaka was 3-3 with a 5.30 ERA in eight games (seven starts) for the Sox this year. The team isn’t exactly trying to replace a Hall of Famer in his prime.

    Indeed, the two pitchers on the big league roster began the year as insurance for the rotation – Alfredo Aceves and Tim Wakefield – have combined for a 3-2 record and 4.34 ERA in eight starts. Certainly, barring injuries to other members of the staff, the Sox could be in relatively solid shape if they simply relied upon those two pitchers to assume Matsuzaka’s workload in the rotation going forward.

    DOWN ON THE FARM

    Perhaps the most significant development for the organization’s pitching depth – both in the rotation and bullpen – is that Felix Doubront is now healthy again after missing roughly three weeks due to a left groin strain. He pitched 3 1/3 scoreless innings of one-hit ball while striking out five and walking two in a start for Triple-A Pawtucket earlier this week.

    On the year, he has a 1.59 ERA and .172 batting average against in five starts for the PawSox. The 23-year-old – who impressed the Sox during his 2010 major league debut – still needs to be stretched out, but the Sox would have significant faith in him as a depth option. Of course, with Rich Hill (the lone left-hander in the Sox bullpen) having left Wednesday’s Red Sox game with a left forearm injury, Doubront could also end up back in the big league bullpen in the near future.

    Aside from Doubront, the rest of the team’s top minor league options are not on the 40-man roster. Kevin Millwood, who recently signed a minor league contract with the Sox, was unimpressive in his Pawtucket debut on Wednesday, allowing four runs on five hits and two walks in 2 2/3 innings. He struck out three.

    According to PawSox broadcaster Dan Hoard (via twitter), Millwood’s fastball sat in the high-80s. At the least, it will take the right-hander (who had a 4.50 ERA in Double-A and Triple-A for the Yankees in April before opting out of his contract) time to get major league ready, if he is to be in position to contribute at all this year.
    Other PawSox starters would appear closer to making a potential impact. Right-hander Kyle Weiland (4-4, 3.46, 57 strikeouts in 52 innings) seems likely to be in the majors no later than September.

    Left-hander Andrew Miller (2-2, 2.47, .160 batting average against) has permitted one or no earned runs in seven of his 10 outings this year. Even though command remains an issue (34 walks against 39 strikeouts in 47 1/3 innings), he is showing at-times overpowering stuff, as in his most recent outing, when he tossed seven shutout innings and allowed just one hit and two walks.

    Matt Fox, meanwhile, is amidst a solid run in which he has a 1.24 ERA over his last nine games (four starts), spanning 36 1/3 innings.

    OUTSIDE THE ORGANIZATION

    Wakefield and Aceves, of course, are with the Sox in no small part because the team wanted to avoid being in a position where it would have to be desperate to make a trade for starting pitching. For that matter, John Lackey is with the Sox in part because the team believed that he represented a rare case of an impact pitcher becoming available, something that rarely happens mid-season.

    To a degree, recent seasons have defied the idea that impact starters aren’t available in the middle of the year. In 2008, CC Sabathia went from the Indians to the Brewers. In 2009, Cliff Lee was sent by the Indians to the Phillies. In 2010, Lee moved from the Mariners to the Rangers, while Roy Oswalt relocated from Houston to Philadelphia.

    Even so, the Sox may not be in position to pursue elite starting pitching via trade even if it is available this summer. The team’s upper levels of its minor league system were thinned significantly by the Adrian Gonzalez trade, and so the team has few high-ceiling impact prospects who typically must be available if a team is to make a deal for a top pitcher.

    The team seems unlikely to trade shortstop Jose Iglesias, given how much a part of the Red Sox’ future he is expected to be. Ditto Ryan Kalish (whose value as a chip will remain limited at any rate until he is ready to once again play in the outfield while recovering from a partial labrum tear).

    Doubront would have some interest, though he with a ceiling as more of a mid-rotation starter than a front-of-the-rotation pitcher, he would not be able to serve as the centerpiece of a deal for a top player. Ditto Josh Reddick, who continues to show impressive tools in his big league callup but whose performance in his career to date has been inconsistent.

    Moreover, there is the issue of whether the Sox would feel compelled to acquire an elite starter just because of the absence of Matsuzaka. In Josh Beckett, Clay Buchholz and Jon Lester, the team has three starters with sub-4.00 ERAs who possess top-of-the-rotation stuff (Lester’s recent struggles notwithstanding).

    Given how good the top end of the rotation is (or should be), the team may be comfortable steering clear of a costly trade, and instead staying with options such as Aceves and Wakefield at the back of the rotation – pitchers who have shown every indication of being able to offer competent strarts and giving their team a chance to win.

     
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    It's all over but the press release when it comes to Daisuke Matsuzaka. The Red Sox will issue a statement saying something and eventually the righthander will get Tommy John surgery.

    Whether it's tomorrow or next month doesn't much matter. The odds of his pitching again for the Red Sox this season are pretty much zero.

    At this point, rehashing all things Dice-K is pointless. He was a good solid starter for two years, borderline useless for two years and now he's hurt. Good luck to him. Enjoy the insurance money, John Henry.

    A better question is how do the Red Sox fill the hole in their rotation. Let's look at the options:

    Tim Wakefield: Wake is like baseball's version of Jason Voorhees. Every time you think he's really dead, he spring back to life and pitches well. The knuckleballer is 2-0 with a 3.20 ERA in three starts since joining the rotation. At 44, can he keep that up? It's his job to lose right now and he seems determined to hold it.

    Alfredo Aceves: He has started twice with one gem and one stinker. That's not enough to pass judgment and he seems headed back to the bullpen with John Lackey coming off the disabled list on Sunday. If nothing else, Aceves is a good option if Wakefield stumbles.

    Kyle Weiland: He was a closer at Notre Dame who the Sox have tried to make a starter since drafting him in the third round in 2008. It seems to be working. Weiland is 4-4, 3.46 in 10 starts for Pawtucket. Over 52 innings, he has allowed only 42 hits and struck out 57. He has a 2.35 ERA in his last four starts.

    Andrew Miller: Hey, he has a 2.47 ERA in 10 appearances for Pawtucket! Hey, he has allowed only 26 hits in 47.1 innings! Hey, he has 39 strikeouts! But he also has waked 34 and if that's a problem in the International League, imagine the AL East. Miller was nails in his last start (7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K), but he still needs some refining. This was a long-term project from the start.

    Felix Doubront: The lefty is back off the disabled list for Pawtucket and threw 3.1 scoreless innings on Monday. He has yet to throw more than 4.1 innings this season and needs some building up.

    Kevin Millwood: His stats in three Class AAA games this season (11.2 IP, 19 H, 12 ER) are not promising. Scouts are blunt in saying his stuff just isn't there.

    Fantasy trade: The e-mails of already started. People think Lars Anderson, Mike Cameron, Marco Scutaro and, if you really, really have to, Josh Reddick, will bring back Felix Hernandez. It won't. B-level prospects and bench-riding veterans have no trade value in the real world.

    The Sox dealt away three prime-time kids for Adrian Gonzalez. They're not going to trade three or four more now. That's organizational suicide.

    An actual trade: The Sox could try and pick up a guy like Jason Marquis, Kevin Correia, Ryan Dempster or Brett Myers. They have enough spare parts for a move like that. But there is a reason those types of pitchers are available in the first place. They're not very good.

     
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    Not that it matters to this discussion, but the sox should expect to get a significant portion of the diaske salary back in insurance correct?  How does that work on the salary cap?  do they have to pay the tax on his replacement if he comes from outside the organization?
     
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    Maybe in the future they won't hype these type players so much.

    This is likely the final chapter in the Red Sox/Daisuke story.

    A handful of good games here and there, a boatload of dreadful games where he couldn't find the plate, always seemingly uncomfortable on the mound. And now , a major injury.

    It's too bad because he has good stuff, he just doesn't have command of anything.

    Perhaps it's best to begin fresh with someone else now and avoid more disappointments later on.
     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?


    adam4522 

    I would think he was insured but
     
    haven't read anything to confirm that yet

    not sure 

    but I'm guessing both salaries go against the cap
     
    definitely the new guy

    but not sure if dmatts come off the books if they take him off the  40 man
     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    Who cares about the money?  The Sox have more than enough to pay anything they want.  There just arent' a lot of good options out there.  Might as well ride Wake as long as they can with Aceves in pen.
     
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    [QUOTE]Who cares about the money?  The Sox have more than enough to pay anything they want.  There just arent' a lot of good options out there.  Might as well ride Wake as long as they can with Aceves in pen.
    Posted by splendidsplinterteddyballgame[/QUOTE]

    Hogwash! Anyone can be had for the right price. True, it is more difficult from teams that consider themselves playoff caliber. But every team has at least one top-notch starter, and some have two or three.
    Consider the Dodgers, their starting pitching has always been really good but their offense stinks. I'm sure they would be open to giving up pitching for hitting.
    Lowrie or even, dare I say it, Youkilis would fetch a front-line starter.
     
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    I hope Doubront can turn into a back of the rotation starter who can contribute (hopefully even more, but I'm keeping my sxpectatoins realistic)  it would be great to have two lefties in the rotation....especially when going into NY
     
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    WAKEFIELD? Forty-four. That's his age, right, and he's far too far into the book, "The Knuckler and Me" to read any further. His knuckler has buckled and his fastball has lost its swash, and his manager is dueling with delusions of revival.
     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    Based on the past few years, neither Wake nor Aceves can hold up for an entire season. 

    This gives 3 options - 1) Ride Wake until he gets hurt, then ride Aceves.  2) Alternate the 2 in the rotation.  3) Trade for another pitcher.

    I like option 1)  Ride Wake until he breaks down.  Then ride Aceves.  By then, teams may be more willing to trade a 5th starter.

     
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    It seems to me that we put too much emphasis on the idea of a 4th or 5th starter not needing to be very good. The thing is, you really want five good starters. The so-called 4th and 5th guys do not necessarily match up with the opponents back end starters in games. Every teams rotation becomes jumbled as the season goes on. Every game is as important as the others. The team with the most wins takes the division. Over the course of the season, your 4th and 5th starters get just as many starts as the top three. The point is; you should not be willing to settle for mediocre pitchers just because they are "only the 4th and 5th guys" in the rotation. Look for excellence.   Wakefield and Aceves are both mediocre, like it or not. Would Doubront or Miller be any better? I don't know, but why not find out?
     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    The sales of No. 18 Matsuzaka jerseys will now take a serious plunge.

                                                                                                                 Surprised
     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    There are 4 teams we could match up with in terms of acquiring a starting pitcher to replace dice k. 

    1. The twins - have guys like slowey, blackburn, baker, an liriano that could be had. 

    2.white sox - danks and jackson could be available. 

    3. astros - rodriguez and myers could be available.

    4.cubs - zambrano, dempster and maybe garza(the only one of the 3 i would want) could be available. 

    I would be all for giving doubront a shot at cracking the rotation once he is healthy and stretched out. I just do not want to see wakefield starting for the rest of the year. When he pitches it is that much harder for the sox to win games. He relies on one pitch and if that pitch is off he is screwed, he is extremely easy to steal off of, he hurts the pen as he usually only goes 6 innings, and he is terrible at fielding his position. 
     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    Unfortunately, you have to stick with Wakefield for now... He's hot right now and until he falls apart you can't pull him from the rotation.
     
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    how is wakefield hot right now? he allowed 4 runs in 6 innings his last start.  Ya he had two better ones before that but lets not forget his start against the twins who are a pretty bad team offensively torched him 8 runs in 4.1 innings. His 3 good starts came against the cubs who are brutal, the mariners, and the tigers. Not exactly tough competition. 
     
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    Who cares, later Dice-Suck
     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    A better question is how do the Red Sox fill the hole in their rotation. Let's look at the options:

    Tim Wakefield: Wake is like baseball's version of Jason Voorhees. Every time you think he's really dead, he spring back to life and pitches well. The knuckleballer is 2-0 with a 3.20 ERA in three starts since joining the rotation. At 44, can he keep that up? It's his job to lose right now and he seems determined to hold it.
    He had perhaps his best 50 straight start stretch of his career at ages 41-42. He seems healthy now, but I do not see him starting every 5 days until October. Having both Aceves and Wake on the 40 man roster was the right dision to make this sping.

    Alfredo Aceves: He has started twice with one gem and one stinker. That's not enough to pass judgment and he seems headed back to the bullpen with John Lackey coming off the disabled list on Sunday. If nothing else, Aceves is a good option if Wakefield stumbles.

    Aceves will get his chances to pitch. (see above)

    Kyle Weiland: He was a closer at Notre Dame who the Sox have tried to make a starter since drafting him in the third round in 2008. It seems to be working. Weiland is 4-4, 3.46 in 10 starts for Pawtucket. Over 52 innings, he has allowed only 42 hits and struck out 57. He has a 2.35 ERA in his last four starts.

    Fellow alumni probably needs more seasoning before being thrown under theintense spotlight in Boston.

    Andrew Miller: Hey, he has a 2.47 ERA in 10 appearances for Pawtucket! Hey, he has allowed only 26 hits in 47.1 innings! Hey, he has 39 strikeouts! But he also has waked 34 and if that's a problem in the International League, imagine the AL East. Miller was nails in his last start (7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K), but he still needs some refining. This was a long-term project from the start.

    His career MLB numbers are scary bad. 34 BB in 47.1 IP in AAA is not encouraging, but hey, softy wanted this guy instead of Wake. Let's giv him a shot, so softy can be of for 4 this spring (Wake Jed and Jake: 0 for 3).

    Felix Doubront: The lefty is back off the disabled list for Pawtucket and threw 3.1 scoreless innings on Monday. He has yet to throw more than 4.1 innings this season and needs some building up.

    I really like this kid, but think Wake and Aceves are better choices, if they stay healthy.

    Kevin Millwood: His stats in three Class AAA games this season (11.2 IP, 19 H, 12 ER) are not promising. Scouts are blunt in saying his stuff just isn't there.

    Nope.

    Fantasy trade: The e-mails of already started. People think Lars Anderson, Mike Cameron, Marco Scutaro and, if you really, really have to, Josh Reddick, will bring back Felix Hernandez. It won't. B-level prospects and bench-riding veterans have no trade value in the real world.

    A Joke.

    The Sox dealt away three prime-time kids for Adrian Gonzalez. They're not going to trade three or four more now. That's organizational suicide.

    An actual trade: The Sox could try and pick up a guy like Jason Marquis, Kevin Correia, Ryan Dempster or Brett Myers. They have enough spare parts for a move like that. But there is a reason those types of pitchers are available in the first place. They're not very good.

    We don't need someone great, just someone who can put us in a position to win in half the games. (Something Wake and Aceves give us and then some.)

     
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    How is wakefield hot right now? he allowed 4 runs in 6 innings his last start.  Ya he had two better ones before that but lets not forget his start against the twins who are a pretty bad team offensively torched him 8 runs in 4.1 innings. His 3 good starts came against the cubs who are brutal, the mariners, and the tigers. Not exactly tough competition. 

    Look closer:
                 (IP   H  ER  BB)
    vs SEA  5.2  3   1   1
    vs MN   4.1  9   6   4
    vs CC    6.2  4   1   0
    @ Det    7.0  5   2   2
    v CWS   6.0  7   4   1

    The White Sox are tied for 10th in runs scored.
    The Tigers are 13th in runs scored.
    The Cubs are 16th.
    Yes, Seattle and Minnesota are at the bottom of runsscored in MLB, but I do think Seattle's numbers are tainted a bit by playing in the worst hitting park in MLB.

    Look even closer:
    In 4 of his 5 starts, he let up 8 ERs in 25.1 IP (2.84 ERA).

    1) Wake left the Seattle game with 2 outs in the 6th and a 2-0 lead. Jenks lt his run score and blew his chance at the win.
    He could easily have had 7 ERs in 25.1 (2.49 ERA)

    2) Wake let up a legitimate run in the Cubs game (ground ball dbl then a deep dbl).

    3) In the Detroit game, here is how a run scored: Groundball single between SS-3B, stolen base, and groundball single up the middle. It's an earned run but not like he was crushed hard.
     
    4) In the CWS game, he pitched well and had a lot of hard luck. Have a look: Line single, passed ball, and 2 out bloop dbl down th line (1 run). Later in the game, a blown call by an ump allowed 2 runs to score: Walk, bloop single, forceout/missed call on tag out, SB, Groundout scores run, and ground ball dbl. (easily 2-3 runs scored very cheaply.
    He could easily have had 4-5 ERs in 25.1 IP (1.42 to 1.78 ERA). With a little more luck, he could have had 3 ER/25.1 IP (1.07 ERA).

    I'd say Wake is pitching pretty "hot". Small sample yes, but still...


     
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    [QUOTE]It seems to me that we put too much emphasis on the idea of a 4th or 5th starter not needing to be very good. The thing is, you really want five good starters. The so-called 4th and 5th guys do not necessarily match up with the opponents back end starters in games. Every teams rotation becomes jumbled as the season goes on. Every game is as important as the others. The team with the most wins takes the division. Over the course of the season, your 4th and 5th starters get just as many starts as the top three. The point is; you should not be willing to settle for mediocre pitchers just because they are "only the 4th and 5th guys" in the rotation. Look for excellence.   Wakefield and Aceves are both mediocre, like it or not. Would Doubront or Miller be any better? I don't know, but why not find out?
    Posted by dgalehouse[/QUOTE]

    I disagree with the statement in bold. I think too many people thing the No. 4 and No. 5 starters need to be Cy Young candidates. Look at the back of the rotation the Sox have had from 2003 to 2009 in the years they were winning 95-plus games. There were often problems the back end. Heck, there often problems with the front end of the rotation.

    The point is -- Wakefield has pitched fine in the last three starts. Most teams would love their No. 2 or No. 3 starters to have pitch like he has done in those three games. Wake certainly has done well enough to leave him in while Doubront and Miller get more seasoning -- especially Doubront, who is just off the DL and hasn't pitched  more than 4.1 innings in a game this year. (I think that was the start).


     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    If Wakefield can't take the ball every 5 days, after holding a potted plant for nearly two months, no one can claim he is anything less than a wasted roster spot!

    Give Wakefield the ball every 5 days until he drops, the only hope to get this 5 plus ERA since the last half of 2009 off the roster! He is totally worthless in the pen! Either he takes the ball every 5 days, from now on, or he goes to the DL. Happy days will be when he goes on the DL, hopefully never coming off of it!
     
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    nobody said that the 4/5 starters need to be allstars but they should be good starting pitchers. The 4/5 starters pitch in just as many games as the 1-3 starters. People tend to lose sight of that fact. They think just because its the 4/5 that we can just toss some mediocre at best starters and hope we win some of their starts. Yes lackey is a good number 4, but wake is not a good number 5. He is not a quality starter. I can gaurantee you guys that if the sox put wake on waivers not one team would claim him. We need to either give dubront a shot(which i think is our best option at this point) or trade for someone. Oh ya and now we need a lefty reliever too. Get to work theo.
     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    Great research, Moon. It's appreciated...well, by someof us. Who has been better in the RedSox rotation since he re-joined it?
     
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    [QUOTE]nobody said that the 4/5 starters need to be allstars but they should be good starting pitchers. The 4/5 starters pitch in just as many games as the 1-3 starters. People tend to lose sight of that fact. They think just because its the 4/5 that we can just toss some mediocre at best starters and hope we win some of their starts. Yes lackey is a good number 4, but wake is not a good number 5. He is not a quality starter. I can gaurantee you guys that if the sox put wake on waivers not one team would claim him. We need to either give dubront a shot(which i think is our best option at this point) or trade for someone. Oh ya and now we need a lefty reliever too. Get to work theo.
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]

    You really think Doubront is ready? He just came off the DL and hasn't pitched five innings in a game yet this year. He was hardly lights out when he was here last year.

    How about we let him get back in shape to pitch six or seven innings before throwing him in the middle of a pennant race.

     
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    Re: Beyond Daisuke: What options do Sox have if he's unavailable in 2011?

    here's an option: it won't replace DICE, but it would make me a happy guy;


    fire theo!
     
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