Big Moves Imminent?

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    Big Moves Imminent?

    We know Larry and Ben are not afraid to pull the trigger on deals.


    Since Theo left the front office has been surprisingly quite in the media.


    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....

     
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    i guess you haven't been paying much attention to the forums lately. it is common knowledge that ben is in WAY ove rhis head, is slow on the draw and afraid to pull the trigger on any and all deals. i mean look at how badly he botched the papi signing....

    if your asking yourself "botched the papi signing???" then your OK in my book

     
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    on a serious note, I think ben will make some good moves to put a contender on the field in 2013. He's had awhile to figure out exactly what we're going to do, now we just have to wait to see how the market pays out and make moves at the right time. after a 93 loss season theres no where to go but up. its just a matter of how far up we go, we still have a talented core of prospects and on the MLB roster just need to surround them with the right guys

     
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    In response to softlaw's comment:

    We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.

    The ace is on the way, Anderson.




    Oh no, its Guthrie remember? You know, our solid "yard sale value" deal as you put it. who, by the way, is asking 3 years and 33M

     
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    id rather give wakefield 3/33 than sign guthrie..

     
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    We are caught between a rock and a hard spot.  The team has several needs but everybody wants our top prospects in return.  We need our top prospects to build upon.  Until we decide which prospects are going to be major leaguers, we must wait.

     
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    There will be no big moves (signings) this year.  Its obvious big moves don't work and they cripple your club financially.  This off season will be trying to fill the holes with solid low cost fits.  We are not in the Theo era anymore.  BC will not spend for the sake of PR.  I hope he sticks to a plan and then there will be a time for a big splash to put this team back on top.  

     
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    There will be no big moves (signings) this year.  Its obvious big moves don't work and they cripple your club financially.  This off season will be trying to fill the holes with solid low cost fits.  We are not in the Theo era anymore.  BC will not spend for the sake of PR.  I hope he sticks to a plan and then there will be a time for a big splash to put this team back on top.  




    the mega-deal was a big move.. are you saying that crippled us financially?? because im pretty sure it did the opposite.

     
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    In response to floridamike's comment:

    We know Larry and Ben are not afraid to pull the trigger on deals.


    Since Theo left the front office has been surprisingly quite in the media.


    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....



    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

    #1 Crawford, Renteria, Lugo, Jenks, Dice K, Glavine, Penny, Drew, Lackey, Jenks, the resigning of Beckett etc.

    #2 Keeping Wake in the fold much too long and still not improving his spot in the rotation, or rotation at all. 

    #3 Keeping Tek too long, then trading Masterson for Martinez and now having a less talented version of Tek in Salty.

    #4 Not resigning Beltre and keeping Youk at 1B until Rizzo and/or Middy were ready.

    #5 Losing Rizzo because of AGon who had to go in order to dump some of the above mistakes. 

    #6 Misreading the talent, or lack of in Kalish's and Reddick while spending more on Cody Ross.

    #7 Trading Scutaro in favor of Aviles and Punto?  At least here we had a plus side by finally giving Ciriaco an opportunity to play. 

    In other words our SS, RF, IB, C and starting pitching hasn't improved much at all in years.  When it did, it was only temporary.  Now we are all wondering if Lav might be next after signing another backup catcher "like Shoppach" last season.

     

     
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    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

    #1 Crawford, Renteria, Lugo, Jenks, Dice K, Glavine, Penny, Drew, Lackey, Jenks and resigning Beckett etc.

    #2 Keeping Wake in the fold much too long and still not improving his spot in the rotation, or rotation at all. 

    Wake was kept as a #6 for the most part. Even in his last year, 7-8 with a 5.12 is decent for your #6 SP.

    #3 Keeping Tek too long, then trading Masterson for Martinez and now having a less talented version of Tek in Salty.

    The VMart trade was a great trade.  Masterson is 30-45 since he left.  He was 11-15 last year with a 4.93.  Someone will have to explai~n to me why trading an 11-15 pitcher with a 4.93 for an all-star catcher is such a bad move and keeping a 7-8 pitcher with a 5.12 is such a bad move.  In addition, VMart's comp was Barnes and Owens.

    #4 Not resigning Beltre and keeping Youk at 1B until Rizzo and/or Middy was ready.

    #5 Losing Rizzo because of AGon who had to go in order to dump some of the above mistakes. 

    4-5 together-I don't remember anyone not liking the Gonzo deal at the time.  Even now, in retrospect, we got about a 10 WAR for about $23M.  That is beyond excellent.  For that, we basically exchanged Rizzo and Kelly for Webster and RDLR.  I like both sets of prospects but it is way to early to determine which set is better.  Rizzo has a nice start, but his ABs have been heavily weighted towards righties.

    #6 Misreading the talent, or lack of in Kalish's and Reddick while spending more on Cody Ross.

    Isn't it kind of anti-intuitive to say we mis-read Reddck, but you're already judging Kalsih on even less ABs?

    #7 Trading Scutaro in favor of Aviles and Punto?  At least here we had a plus side by finally gave Ciriaco an opportunity to play. 

    In other words our SS, RF, IB, C and starting pitching hasn't improved much at all in years.  When it did, it was only temporary.  Now we are all once again wondering why our first signing after Papi is another backup catcher "like Shoppach" last season.

    Scutaro is not a SS. I liked the signing, but it was just marginal.  With Aviles shwoing about the same level of talent as Scutaro, it made no sense to have both of them on the team.

    And I don't care when our next signing is.  I want effectiveness and efficiency, not speed.

     
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    In response to craze4sox's comment:

    In response to floridamike's comment:

    We know Larry and Ben are not afraid to pull the trigger on deals.


    Since Theo left the front office has been surprisingly quite in the media.


    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....



    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

    #1 Crawford, Renteria, Lugo, Jenks, Dice K, Glavine, Penny, Drew, Lackey, Jenks, the resigning of Beckett etc.

    #2 Keeping Wake in the fold much too long and still not improving his spot in the rotation, or rotation at all. 

    #3 Keeping Tek too long, then trading Masterson for Martinez and now having a less talented version of Tek in Salty.

    #4 Not resigning Beltre and keeping Youk at 1B until Rizzo and/or Middy were ready.

    #5 Losing Rizzo because of AGon who had to go in order to dump some of the above mistakes. 

    #6 Misreading the talent, or lack of in Kalish's and Reddick while spending more on Cody Ross.

    #7 Trading Scutaro in favor of Aviles and Punto?  At least here we had a plus side by finally giving Ciriaco an opportunity to play. 

    In other words our SS, RF, IB, C and starting pitching hasn't improved much at all in years.  When it did, it was only temporary.  Now we are all wondering if Lav might be next after signing another backup catcher "like Shoppach" last season.

     



    can't say your wrong. i only have an issue with 6 & 7. they never misjudged Kalish's talent. hes just had bad health and its really impeded his development. also, Aviles in 2012 played better (in the regular season) than Scoot. but also keep in mind he did not see much playing time once we declared the season dead. We also freed up money for Ross and got a great BP (and possible SP) arm in Mortenson. who really blew me away with how well he can pitch. plus hes young too.

     
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    We are caught between a rock and a hard spot.  The team has several needs but everybody wants our top prospects in return.  We need our top prospects to build upon.  Until we decide which prospects are going to be major leaguers, we must wait.



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    In response to mef429's comment:

    In response to craze4sox's comment:

    In response to floridamike's comment:

    We know Larry and Ben are not afraid to pull the trigger on deals.


    Since Theo left the front office has been surprisingly quite in the media.

    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....



    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

    #1 Crawford, Renteria, Lugo, Jenks, Dice K, Glavine, Penny, Drew, Lackey, Jenks, the resigning of Beckett etc.

    #2 Keeping Wake in the fold much too long and still not improving his spot in the rotation, or rotation at all. 

    #3 Keeping Tek too long, then trading Masterson for Martinez and now having a less talented version of Tek in Salty.

    #4 Not resigning Beltre and keeping Youk at 1B until Rizzo and/or Middy were ready.

    #5 Losing Rizzo because of AGon who had to go in order to dump some of the above mistakes. 

    #6 Misreading the talent, or lack of in Kalish's and Reddick while spending more on Cody Ross.

    #7 Trading Scutaro in favor of Aviles and Punto?  At least here we had a plus side by finally giving Ciriaco an opportunity to play. 

    In other words our SS, RF, IB, C and starting pitching hasn't improved much at all in years.  When it did, it was only temporary.  Now we are all wondering if Lav might be next after signing another backup catcher "like Shoppach" last season.

     



    can't say your wrong. i only have an issue with 6 & 7. they never misjudged Kalish's talent. hes just had bad health and its really impeded his development. also, Aviles in 2012 played better (in the regular season) than Scoot. but also keep in mind he did not see much playing time once we declared the season dead. We also freed up money for Ross and got a great BP (and possible SP) arm in Mortenson. who really blew me away with how well he can pitch. plus hes young too.



    You could be right but we just don't seem to make the right choices.   I don't think Kalish is what everyone expected, hopefully he and Iggy end up helping at some point but it may not be in Boston. 

    Our biggest problem has been choosing players who can maintain a decent OBP, like we had during our two WC's championships.  Low "team OBP's" and weak starting pitching has killed us for years.  This is the problem I have with keeping guys like Salty, or adding an Iggy to the lineup.

     
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    In response to craze4sox's comment:

    In response to mef429's comment:

    In response to craze4sox's comment:

    In response to floridamike's comment:

    We know Larry and Ben are not afraid to pull the trigger on deals.


    Since Theo left the front office has been surprisingly quite in the media.

    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....



    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

    #1 Crawford, Renteria, Lugo, Jenks, Dice K, Glavine, Penny, Drew, Lackey, Jenks, the resigning of Beckett etc.

    #2 Keeping Wake in the fold much too long and still not improving his spot in the rotation, or rotation at all. 

    #3 Keeping Tek too long, then trading Masterson for Martinez and now having a less talented version of Tek in Salty.

    #4 Not resigning Beltre and keeping Youk at 1B until Rizzo and/or Middy were ready.

    #5 Losing Rizzo because of AGon who had to go in order to dump some of the above mistakes. 

    #6 Misreading the talent, or lack of in Kalish's and Reddick while spending more on Cody Ross.

    #7 Trading Scutaro in favor of Aviles and Punto?  At least here we had a plus side by finally giving Ciriaco an opportunity to play. 

    In other words our SS, RF, IB, C and starting pitching hasn't improved much at all in years.  When it did, it was only temporary.  Now we are all wondering if Lav might be next after signing another backup catcher "like Shoppach" last season.

     



    can't say your wrong. i only have an issue with 6 & 7. they never misjudged Kalish's talent. hes just had bad health and its really impeded his development. also, Aviles in 2012 played better (in the regular season) than Scoot. but also keep in mind he did not see much playing time once we declared the season dead. We also freed up money for Ross and got a great BP (and possible SP) arm in Mortenson. who really blew me away with how well he can pitch. plus hes young too.



    You could be right but we just don't seem to make the right choices.   I don't think Kalish is what everyone expected, hopefully he and Iggy end up helping at some point but it may not be in Boston. 

    Our biggest problem has been choosing players who can maintain a decent OBP, like we had during our two WC's championships.  Low "team OBP's" and weak starting pitching has killed us for years.  This is the problem I have with keeping guys like Salty, or adding an Iggy to the lineup.




    Its not a bad thing to have a couple "free swingers" in the lineup. Keeps the pitchers on their toes. 6 guys may take a bunch of pitches, then a couple will blast the 1st one he likes.

     
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    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    In response to craze4sox's comment:

    In response to mef429's comment:

    In response to craze4sox's comment:

    In response to floridamike's comment:

    We know Larry and Ben are not afraid to pull the trigger on deals.


    Since Theo left the front office has been surprisingly quite in the media.

    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....



    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

    #1 Crawford, Renteria, Lugo, Jenks, Dice K, Glavine, Penny, Drew, Lackey, Jenks, the resigning of Beckett etc.

    #2 Keeping Wake in the fold much too long and still not improving his spot in the rotation, or rotation at all. 

    #3 Keeping Tek too long, then trading Masterson for Martinez and now having a less talented version of Tek in Salty.

    #4 Not resigning Beltre and keeping Youk at 1B until Rizzo and/or Middy were ready.

    #5 Losing Rizzo because of AGon who had to go in order to dump some of the above mistakes. 

    #6 Misreading the talent, or lack of in Kalish's and Reddick while spending more on Cody Ross.

    #7 Trading Scutaro in favor of Aviles and Punto?  At least here we had a plus side by finally giving Ciriaco an opportunity to play. 

    In other words our SS, RF, IB, C and starting pitching hasn't improved much at all in years.  When it did, it was only temporary.  Now we are all wondering if Lav might be next after signing another backup catcher "like Shoppach" last season.

     



    can't say your wrong. i only have an issue with 6 & 7. they never misjudged Kalish's talent. hes just had bad health and its really impeded his development. also, Aviles in 2012 played better (in the regular season) than Scoot. but also keep in mind he did not see much playing time once we declared the season dead. We also freed up money for Ross and got a great BP (and possible SP) arm in Mortenson. who really blew me away with how well he can pitch. plus hes young too.



    You could be right but we just don't seem to make the right choices.   I don't think Kalish is what everyone expected, hopefully he and Iggy end up helping at some point but it may not be in Boston. 

    Our biggest problem has been choosing players who can maintain a decent OBP, like we had during our two WC's championships.  Low "team OBP's" and weak starting pitching has killed us for years.  This is the problem I have with keeping guys like Salty, or adding an Iggy to the lineup.




    Its not a bad thing to have a couple "free swingers" in the lineup. Keeps the pitchers on their toes. 6 guys may take a bunch of pitches, then a couple will blast the 1st one he likes.

    You need to have pretty good overall team OBP to hide these weaknesses, or be successful.  This is what kept Tek around so long until we eventually got Martinez.  Then we went right back to the original problem with Salty. 

    Guys like Manny, Beltre, AGon and Martinez are the type of players who make a difference along with solid pitching.  Not just having 20 plus HR's, or making a few good defensive plays like Iggy.   



     

     
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    In response to bigdog1's comment:

    We are caught between a rock and a hard spot.  The team has several needs but everybody wants our top prospects in return.  We need our top prospects to build upon.  Until we decide which prospects are going to be major leaguers, we must wait.




    Bingo took the words right out of my mouth.

     
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    I think we will make one big splash FA signing and one blockbuster trade.

    I'm for trying to pry Brett Anderson from Oakland, but doubt it happens.

     
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    Ben has a history of failure in his short tenure - there is simply no other way to judge him based on his signings and record....however that huge trade gave him a reprieve of sorts, lets see what he does with that money....signing papi was a no brainer and the fact that it took til the deadline was troubling...ross is a no brainer too considering our outfield woes and Ells eventual departure but that hasnt happened yet....does he have enough juevos to sign a Grienke? I doubt it...probably more dumpster dives and "value" signings....which is OK with me because one more year of this nonsense and Ben will be in the unemployment line with Valentine.

     
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    I think we will make one big splash FA signing and one blockbuster trade.

    I'm for trying to pry Brett Anderson from Oakland, but doubt it happens.



    I totally agree with this line moonslav.   I think one big pitcher is needed.  After that the Sox need to be smart.  Hitters are everywhere.  We just need to find the right ones to fit our needs.

     
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    I am very pleased with the job that Ben has done so far this offseason.  There's still a lot of work to be done, but so far so good.

     

     
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    In response to georom4's comment:

    Ben has a history of failure in his short tenure - there is simply no other way to judge him based on his signings and record....however that huge trade gave him a reprieve of sorts, lets see what he does with that money....signing papi was a no brainer and the fact that it took til the deadline was troubling...ross is a no brainer too considering our outfield woes and Ells eventual departure but that hasnt happened yet....does he have enough juevos to sign a Grienke? I doubt it...probably more dumpster dives and "value" signings....which is OK with me because one more year of this nonsense and Ben will be in the unemployment line with Valentine.




    Is there a Coyle Avenue in Springfield? Just wondering.




    I don't know what you mean by that Sin, but there is a Coyle Avenue in Arcadia, California and I just happen to live on that street.

     

     
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