Big Moves Imminent?

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    We know Larry and Ben are not afraid to pull the trigger on deals.


    Since Theo left the front office has been surprisingly quite in the media.

    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....

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    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

    #1 Crawford, Renteria, Lugo, Jenks, Dice K, Glavine, Penny, Drew, Lackey, Jenks, the resigning of Beckett etc.

    #2 Keeping Wake in the fold much too long and still not improving his spot in the rotation, or rotation at all. 

    #3 Keeping Tek too long, then trading Masterson for Martinez and now having a less talented version of Tek in Salty.

    #4 Not resigning Beltre and keeping Youk at 1B until Rizzo and/or Middy were ready.

    #5 Losing Rizzo because of AGon who had to go in order to dump some of the above mistakes. 

    #6 Misreading the talent, or lack of in Kalish's and Reddick while spending more on Cody Ross.

    #7 Trading Scutaro in favor of Aviles and Punto?  At least here we had a plus side by finally giving Ciriaco an opportunity to play. 

    In other words our SS, RF, IB, C and starting pitching hasn't improved much at all in years.  When it did, it was only temporary.  Now we are all wondering if Lav might be next after signing another backup catcher "like Shoppach" last season.

     

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    can't say your wrong. i only have an issue with 6 & 7. they never misjudged Kalish's talent. hes just had bad health and its really impeded his development. also, Aviles in 2012 played better (in the regular season) than Scoot. but also keep in mind he did not see much playing time once we declared the season dead. We also freed up money for Ross and got a great BP (and possible SP) arm in Mortenson. who really blew me away with how well he can pitch. plus hes young too.

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    You could be right but we just don't seem to make the right choices.   I don't think Kalish is what everyone expected, hopefully he and Iggy end up helping at some point but it may not be in Boston. 

    Our biggest problem has been choosing players who can maintain a decent OBP, like we had during our two WC's championships.  Low "team OBP's" and weak starting pitching has killed us for years.  This is the problem I have with keeping guys like Salty, or adding an Iggy to the lineup.

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    Its not a bad thing to have a couple "free swingers" in the lineup. Keeps the pitchers on their toes. 6 guys may take a bunch of pitches, then a couple will blast the 1st one he likes.

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    You need to have pretty good overall team OBP to hide these weaknesses, or be successful.  This is what kept Tek around so long until we eventually got Martinez.  Then we went right back to the original problem with Salty. 

    Guys like Manny, Beltre, AGon and Martinez are the type of players who make a difference along with solid pitching.  Not just having 20 plus HR's, or making a few good defensive plays like Iggy.   



     

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    We agree on this then. As long as most of the guys have an OBP north of .340-.350 we should be OK with a couple below that.

     
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    We agree on this then. As long as most of the guys have an OBP north of .340-.350 we should be OK with a couple below that.

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    Absolutely southpaw, but this team still has a long way to go.  Pede and Ells "if we keep him" need to come back strong and Middy needs to prove his rookie season wasn't a fluke.  I also think we may not be done trading with the Dodgers.  They appear to be willing to move Either and bring in Hunter. I'm not saying Andre would be a major improvement because of his splits against LHP, but his clubhouse presence and being good friends with Pede could be a plus. 

    As Hunter could be with Papi for a year or two.

     
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    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....

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    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

     

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    Great farm re:  2004 team?    Is that a joke?  The team was almost exclusively traded for/bought.   72 games from Youk, 38 from Nomar, 48 from Trot were the top contributors.

     

    2007 wasn't much different....only Youk, Pedroia and Paps were significant players plus some minor late-season contributions from Lester, Ellsbury and Buccholz.

     

    Of  course, some of the farm was used to acquire Schilling, Pedro, Beckett, etc.

     
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    It used to be big deal fever during the offseason and before the trade deadline (maybe we were already stacked though). This year it was super quite then they slung those guys to LA/


    There's very little excitement to watch games anymore and especially go to them. We need and ace, a big bat, and excitement.


    It would not be Boston without that.......Is it coming?


    Who knows that's the interesting part of this new front office....

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    We won two WS because of an already talented team and great farm which Ben doesn't have in place.  Since then? Here are just a few examples explaining our decline

     

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    Great farm re:  2004 team?    Is that a joke?  The team was almost exclusively traded for/bought.   72 games from Youk, 38 from Nomar, 48 from Trot were the top contributors.

     

    2007 wasn't much different....only Youk, Pedroia and Paps were significant players plus some minor late-season contributions from Lester, Ellsbury and Buccholz.

     

    Of  course, some of the farm was used to acquire Schilling, Pedro, Beckett, etc.

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    All I meant was, without the contributions from these kids "at the time" things could have been quite different.  The key on both the 04 and 07 clubs was a team OBP of around .370 and decent pitching.  These were the days of a fairly well balanced lineup.  When one player struggled there was usually someone there to fill in the void.  Our team went through slumps like all good teamd but being down five runs in a game was much less significant with those lineups.

     
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    We agree on this then. As long as most of the guys have an OBP north of .340-.350 we should be OK with a couple below that.

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    Absolutely southpaw, but this team still has a long way to go.  Pede and Ells "if we keep him" need to come back strong and Middy needs to prove his rookie season wasn't a fluke.  I also think we may not be done trading with the Dodgers.  They appear to be willing to move Either and bring in Hunter. I'm not saying Andre would be a major improvement because of his splits against LHP, but his clubhouse presence and being good friends with Pede could be a plus. 

    As Hunter could be with Papi for a year or two.

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    I want no part of the 31 year old Ethier and his 80M contract. Hes an overpaid platoon OF'er IMO. A mid .600 OPS vs. LHP? Can we say Crawford part 2? Just not quite as much $$$...

    At least Hunter is only 2 years at a fraction of the cost, and will give you better veteran leadership. Ethiers contract is horrible for the player your getting.

     
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    Start with Salty & Ellesbury and go from there !!!!

     
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    The Sox have not won a playoff game in  four years and you are worrying about who comes and goes. Ben either go all in or sell out for prospects.

    If Ben doesn't go after the very best talent out there to make the playoffs there's no point in keeping Pedroia and Ortiz among others-certainly a waste to keep Ells for a year. Play the kids and take your lumps for two years until they are major league ready.

     
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    The mega deal with L.A. was supposedly made to free up payroll.  Now that we have money to spend , spend it and spend it wisely.  What we need is more top notch players.  This should be obvious. A bunch of mediocre players equals a mediocre team.  Ben is not going to fleece any G.M. on a trade deal. The opposite is more likely. Our prospects are being highly overrated on this board. With one or two exceptions , they may never develop into quality major leaguers.  Spend money and get some talent on this team. You cannot become gun shy because mistakes were made with Crawford , Lackey , etc.   Are we going to become a small market team and stand by while others surpass us ?

     
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    Our prospects are being highly overrated on this board. With one or two exceptions , they may never develop into quality major leaguers.

    What makes you say that?  Most of the folks that rate minor league systems seem to like our current crop.

     
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    Our prospects are being highly overrated on this board. With one or two exceptions , they may never develop into quality major leaguers.

    What makes you say that?  Most of the folks that rate minor league systems seem to like our current crop.

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    Just looking at their stats. I don't see where we have more good young prospects than other teams do.  Even some of our top guys are not sure things. Bogaerts looks like the best bet. Bradley is next , but tailed off a bit when promoted to AA.  Barnes was lights out in low A , but dropped off somewhat when promoted to high A. All of these guys may become outstanding major leaguers , but we should not pin all of our hopes on it.  Meanwhile , we have money to spend , and there are some top players available. 

     
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    Our prospects are being highly overrated on this board. With one or two exceptions , they may never develop into quality major leaguers.

    What makes you say that?  Most of the folks that rate minor league systems seem to like our current crop.

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    Just looking at their stats. I don't see where we have more good young prospects than other teams do.  Even some of our top guys are not sure things. Bogaerts looks like the best bet. Bradley is next , but tailed off a bit when promoted to AA.  Barnes was lights out in low A , but dropped off somewhat when promoted to high A. All of these guys may become outstanding major leaguers , but we should not pin all of our hopes on it.  Meanwhile , we have money to spend , and there are some top players available. 

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    but the scouts don't just look at their stats, they look at their work ethic, potential, intangibles. I always defer to the experts in the case of prospects and they're not saying our prospects are over rated.

     
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    These kids are suspects---sometimes the ones you expect the most from are the ones that fizzle out. There are so many possibilities and so what if you make a mistake there will be one or two from other teams you had your eye on that might become available later.

    Take Moss as an example. He may become a free agaent sometime and may be reclaimed by the Sox. He didn't show much early on but look at him now.

    If an opportunity comes up I say Barnes and Owens may go--personally I like the looks of Brandon Workman. I also liked the looks of Michael Olmsted, he's gone to open a 40 man roster spot. Cecchini, deLaCruz, Swihart, Vinicio, Jacobs, Bradley, Ranaudo, they may be a good prospects, but they're suspects until they show what they can do at Fenway. 

    For the right offer they could/should be moved to win now. There will be other players that will surface in future drafts--win today worry about tomorrow --tomorrow.

     
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