Big Papi' $AM$UNG

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    its called the Affordable Care Act.  and it's a law.  just like the right to carry guns that you would kill CT 1st graders to protect. or do you only pick and choose which laws you want to fervently defend???

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    It would be nice if Obama followed the law.

     
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    its called the Affordable Care Act.  and it's a law.  just like the right to carry guns that you would kill CT 1st graders to protect. or do you only pick and choose which laws you want to fervently defend???

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    It would be nice if Obama followed the law.

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    thats not what i asked.

     
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    its called the Affordable Care Act.  and it's a law.  just like the right to carry guns that you would kill CT 1st graders to protect. or do you only pick and choose which laws you want to fervently defend???

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    Well, yeah...without getting into the health care debate, of course we all do this.

    The fact that something has succeeded in becoming a law does not mean it is wise, or practical, or moral, or what have you. A lot of horrible things were once "law" in this country (and perhaps some still are). The ACA might be awesome or it might stink, but in my opinion if you have to defend it by saying "Well, it's the law, so get used to it!" you've already conceded the debate.

     
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    Ugh.  Can we pass on the Health Insurance talk?

     



    Yes we can.  This is a baseball forum so we should stick with that.  My personal financial problem with obamacare is not your problem.

     

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    Ironic, you don't capitalize Obama and I don't capitalize god.

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    Both God and Obama have been capitalized, regardless of grammar.

     
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    Ugh.  Can we pass on the Health Insurance talk?

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    There wasn't really a whole lot of hope for this thread to begin with.

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    Not a chance, FJ, not even a slim one 

     
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    its called the Affordable Care Act.  and it's a law.  just like the right to carry guns that you would kill CT 1st graders to protect. or do you only pick and choose which laws you want to fervently defend???

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    Well, yeah...without getting into the health care debate, of course we all do this.

    The fact that something has succeeded in becoming a law does not mean it is wise, or practical, or moral, or what have you. A lot of horrible things were once "law" in this country (and perhaps some still are). The ACA might be awesome or it might stink, but in my opinion if you have to defend it by saying "Well, it's the law, so get used to it!" you've already conceded the debate.

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    Good point.  Laws can be changed, obama does it all the timeWink

     
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    Prohibition was the eighteenth amendment. At the time people were saying the same thing they are saying about obamacare.  It's the law get used to it.  They were even saying that an amendment had never been overturned so prohibition was permanent.

    We all know how that turned out so there is hope that obamacare will be overturned.

     
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    its called the Affordable Care Act.  and it's a law.  just like the right to carry guns that you would kill CT 1st graders to protect. or do you only pick and choose which laws you want to fervently defend???

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    Well, yeah...without getting into the health care debate, of course we all do this.

    The fact that something has succeeded in becoming a law does not mean it is wise, or practical, or moral, or what have you. A lot of horrible things were once "law" in this country (and perhaps some still are). The ACA might be awesome or it might stink, but in my opinion if you have to defend it by saying "Well, it's the law, so get used to it!" you've already conceded the debate.

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    + 10 well said

     
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    Healthcare or guns? Another american soldier kills four at FT Hood once again and Obamacare is the angst of the right? How many soldiers did the Affordable Care Act kill? Fifty years ago rightwingers were nuts about flouride in the water - now they've moved on to socialized medicine - meanwhile all of Europe has it and they live longer lives than us because they dont have to see a doctor when they get sick and need a bypass...its called prevention...wait, that word spooks righties also...

     
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    The political forum could use some life.....

    http://boston.com/community/forums/news/politics/general/80/990

     
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    its called the Affordable Care Act.  and it's a law.  just like the right to carry guns that you would kill CT 1st graders to protect. or do you only pick and choose which laws you want to fervently defend???

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    Well, yeah...without getting into the health care debate, of course we all do this.

    The fact that something has succeeded in becoming a law does not mean it is wise, or practical, or moral, or what have you. A lot of horrible things were once "law" in this country (and perhaps some still are). The ACA might be awesome or it might stink, but in my opinion if you have to defend it by saying "Well, it's the law, so get used to it!" you've already conceded the debate.

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    I will say this about the ACA: its not perfect, but I have seen our medical care delivery system from the inside, and it was severely broken. Something had to be done. I would not envision the ACA to be the final product in its current form. Hopefully it will get changed over time to make it a more workable system. One thing is crystal clear: things could not continue the way they were going.

     
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    They will probably blame Bush for Owebummercare by the time all is said and done.

     



    7MM americans have health insurance today that might not have had it a few weeks ago.  Bush should be so lucky.

     

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    Yes, and I'm one of the lucky ones because obamacare.  I liked my insurance plan and wanted to keep it.  The president promised about 39 times I think that I would be able to keep my health care if I liked it. But......

    We recieved a letter from our insurance company that our insurance plan is cancelled due to obamacare. Now mind you our insurance had already risen 70% since obamacare was made a law. We pay about $2,200.00 a month.  

    Our plan was cancelled because our plan didn't meet the laws requirements like birth control and maternity care.

    Well, thank goodness the new plan forced on me has maternity coverage because a 60 year old woman who has had a hystorectomy must be prepared for a new baby not to mention birth control.  

    On top of all this our $500.00 deductable has gone up to a $5,000.00 deductible.  Did I mention that was per person? So if my husband and I get into a car accident and end up in the hospital we have a $10,000 deductible. This is on top of paying $2,200.00 a month.

    I shouldn't brag about how great obamacare has been for me because others have it much better.  Some gals with advanced cancer have lost their doctors and access to top noch cancer hospitals.  Some doctors and hospitals aren't cover by obamacare but, hey, who cares.  At least all those 26 year olds  don't have good jobs due to the painfuly slow recovery are coverd under mommy and daddy's plan.

     I'm a little concerned about the cancer thing because my mom and her two sisters died of cancer so my chances are pretty good of getting it.  But hey, we all have to die of something so I shouldn't be concerned about having coverage that would pay for excellent care.  Did I mention that $5,000.00 deductible per year?

    Of the 7 million no one knows how many have paid and how many are signed up because obamacare bumped them from their own insurance.  There are also the back end problems.

    But I digress.  Who cares if obama lied about keeping your health plan!  I for one am thrilled with the way things have turned out!

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    The reason you plan was cancelled was cancel for a variety of reasons. Most likely because it charged a co-pay for preemptive care because most insurance covered enough BC and maternity care to skate by.

    I didn't know you got a chance to read the letter the insurance company sent to me and my husband.  Thanks so much for clearing this up.

     

    On the of this your post has very little facts and is just right wIng talking points. If you actually believe this, you truly need to broaden your horizons. for all would be cancelledOn top of there is a two year extension  plans.

    My plan is already cancelled.  It was no small task for the insurance company to change over to obamacare, it is no small task to change back.  It takes time and money so I am stuck with the higher premiums and deductibles.

     

    You can call me a leftist but truth be told I am a pretty big liberatarian and truly dislike the ACA because it stifles the free market which would mean cheaper and better health care for all. However I don't use lies and half truths to feel justified in my racist world view.

    Wow, name calling at it's best.  I'm a liar AND a racist.  Who knewUndecided

     

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    67 I'm with you by the time the extentions were given, most of the insurance companies that offered plans like you had no longer offered them.  Also if you work for a company that offeres an insurance plan you are reqiured to use their plan even when they double the rates like mine did.  However, if I quit my job and work part time for McDonalds I can get free coverage and probably unemployment as well!

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    So you'd quit your full-time job at Taco Bell to work part-time at McDonalds just to get cheaper insurance rates. Sounds like a good plan.

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    Poor little Crowbot you have no clue at all do you, enjoy your free healthcare I'm paying a big chunk of it...

     
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    Jesus and Mary Chain, what an idiotic thread this has become.

     

     
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    67 I'm with you by the time the extentions were given, most of the insurance companies that offered plans like you had no longer offered them.  Also if you work for a company that offeres an insurance plan you are reqiured to use their plan even when they double the rates like mine did.  However, if I quit my job and work part time for McDonalds I can get free coverage and probably unemployment as well!

     

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    You have no idea how close that is to a reality I consider. I make 40-50k a year as an independent contractor.

    Thanks to domestic partnership laws, I am covered by my girlfriends insurance she gets as a Healthcare employee. Without that, I can tell you right now, I ran the numbers, and for me to leave my work as an independent contractor, and take a PART TIME job, after the welfare and benefits, I'd actually be better off, with more disposable income, and working fewer hours.

    The only thing keeping me from doing it is a refusal to willingly make myself part of that problem. For those that don't believe it, here's some numbers:

    Daughters daycare last summer: $40 a day at the city run center, $200 a week. If I were to take the steps I mentioned above, Kindercare would have stepped in, and my portion would have been <$31 A WEEK. Net savings, on that on aspect alone, $169 per week. Nevermind fuel assistance, EBT, welfare, etc etc. I don't have credit card debt, nor student loans following me around.

    So, with all that being said...I'd like to thank the tireless work of the thousands of people who have fought for rights for same sex couples...as I, too, have been able to benefit from that without needing to fulfill some archaic need to be 'married' on top of living together, having a child, and sharing every expense.

    Oh yeah, that lack of marriage and child could yield ALL KINDS of benefits from the state if I went after them. I'm trying to do it the right way, and my own government conspires against me.

     
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    Jesus and Mary Chain, what an idiotic thread this has become.

     

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    +1 

     
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