BLOCKBUSTER DEAL - BLUE JAYS INSTANT FAVORITES TO WIN THE DIVISION!

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    Flapjack07 = Forum Veteran. 

     
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    I bet Duquette had his nerves frayed in baltimore with this trade. I won't bet the O's cannot repeat but let's face it they caught lightening in the bottle this year... they need to make some serious upgrades to be a winner in 2013.

     

    Tampa has the meat and potatoes, they have been a winning team for years now.

     

    Boston is in deep crap.

     
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    And devoted fan of Mexican food.

     
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    Shah!

     

    Funny on the Farrell maybe wanting his old job back.

     
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    Comparing the blockbuster salary dumps by the Red Sox and Marlins, the Sox generally traded away older and less productive players who were owed more money.

    Here are the current ages, 2012 WAR and remaining contracts:

    From Boston:

    Josh Beckett 32, 2.3 WAR, 2 years, $31.5 million

    Adrian Gonzalez 30, 3.6 WAR, 6 years, $127 million

    Carl Crawford 31, 0.4 WAR, 5 years, $102.5 million

    Nick Punto 35, 0.5 WAR, 1 year, $1.5 million

    From Miami:

    Josh Johnson 28, 3.8 WAR, 1 year, $13.75 million

    Mark Buehrle 33, 2.1 WAR, 3 years, $48 million

    Jose Reyes 29, 4.5 WAR, 5 years, $96 million

    John Buck, 32, 1.2 WAR, 1 year, $6 million

    Emilio Bonifacio 27, 0.6 WAR, 2 arbitration years from 2012 salary of $2.2 milion

     
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    Stanton would be a nice piece to build with but the Marlins can still afford him.  He would costs way to much for us to obtain.  Start with our top 5 propects.

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    I wouldnt consider our top 5 prospects are too much for Stanton.  But i would prefer to keep De La Rosa.

     
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    Really? That is whacked.

     
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    Rosa and Stanton are the same age... one has proven to be a bona-fide stud and the other is a maybe. Other than about ten pitchers in  baseball who do you know who is a bona-fide stud on the mound? Stanton is the real deal and he will mash 30/100 for the next 15 years.... proven and in the bank

     
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    Wow, I never would imagine us talking about the Toronto Blue Jays.

    The last time I talked about Toronto, Roger Clemens joined Pat Hentgen and Juan Guzman.  LOL

     
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    GM HH

    ''Maybe Farrell can get his old job back''.

    lol

    yeah I was thinking that too

    kinda of surprised how many fans

    don't wish their team just picked 2 quality 200 inning starters

    and a AS SS

    I know I do, I suspect some just feel the need to protect ben

    and others really do care more about bargains than winning

    I think it will change the standings

    but it's way to early to know what moves will be made by other teams

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    Zac,

    Fair points...but on the flipside, those who protest the loudest around here when money isn't flying out of the team's coffers fast enough in November are usually also at the forefront complaining about bad contracts once they start clogging up the payroll and limiting the team's ability to make other deals to improve.

    I'm not afraid of spending money or giving up prospects, as long as it's done wisely and not just for the sake of making a splash...we ought to know by now that simply getting as many All-Stars as you can on the roster isn't a recipe for winning championships. And honestly, I don't expect all this team's issues to be fixed with finality this winter, and I'd be fine with Ben C making some conservative "bridge" moves as we wait for the next crop of prospects to mature in 2014 or 15, rather than making big expensive deals just to do something. That's just my attitude....others may feel we need to win right now, but even so, there are enough caution signs with the players involved in this trade and the price would have been so high in money and prospects that I'm not going to crucify Ben for not pulling the trigger. I think we can do better.

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    Im with you on this. I have no issue with them dumping a bunch of money on a player, but it should be the right guy, not just to make some noise.

     
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    I'm confused though........

    we need two solid 200 inning starters right?

    we need a long term solution at SS right?

     

    Not saying this was the right deal..........but what are we doing?

    So far ..Ben has signed a DH and a backup catcher...both aging........I just don't see what Ben is really trying to do yet. Enlighten me please

     
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    I'm confused though........

    we need two solid 200 inning starters right?

    we need a long term solution at SS right?

     

    Not saying this was the right deal..........but what are we doing?

    So far ..Ben has signed a DH and a backup catcher...both aging........I just don't see what Ben is really trying to do yet. Enlighten me please

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    Its early. Theres probably talks going on that none of us have any idea about.Believe me, if come ST there have been little to nothing done I will be the first one to say so. But until then Ill just wait to see how things unfold.

     
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    I wouldnt consider our top 5 prospects are too much for Stanton.  But i would prefer to keep De La Rosa.


    Rubby de la Rosa made his MLB debut with the Dodgers in 2011 by posting numbers that had some parallels to those posted in the AL East that year in the MLB debut by Toronto's Henderson Alvarez, who is a year younger than de la Rosa.

    2011 RDLR 60.2 IP, 3.71 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 60 K, 31 BB, 100 ERA+

    2011 HALV 63.2 IP, 3.53 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 40 K, 8 BB, 121 ERA+

    The Blue Jays traded Alvarez to the Marlins in the reported blockbuster deal.

     
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    Don't you love how the Ben defenders rise to the occasion? Makes sense though. These are likely the same people who voted for Elizabeth Warren!

     
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    no doubt there are many that feel the same way as you do

    I just feel 180 degrees different,

    with me it's not the ''need to win ''

    it's the need to go for it, I don't think a team is ever 'fixed with finality ''

    or that you can ever count on that next crop,

    I'm sure I don't need to remind you what injuries can do the the best plans

    IMO you do what you can to improve the team

    even if you can't get that stud for that 1 position that you really need to improve

    you do what you can do to improve somewhere else


    I hear you on doing what you can to improve the team. And I agree with that...just saying it ought to be within reason [though I may be a tad more cautious than most...:) ]

    Regardless, if we were going to spend big this winter and go for it in 2013, I think I'd prefer Hamilton and Greinke to Johnson, Reyes & Co., but it's a fair debate.

     
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    The Manager position for the Toronto Blue Jays looks more attractive now.  

     
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    Rosa and Stanton are the same age... one has proven to be a bona-fide stud and the other is a maybe. Other than about ten pitchers in  baseball who do you know who is a bona-fide stud on the mound? Stanton is the real deal and he will mash 30/100 for the next 15 years.... proven and in the bank

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    Im not sure if this is directed at me.  But if it was make/break, i would go ahead and include de la rosa.  I'd do whatever it took to get Stanton for the reasons you mention.

    I'm just saying that my initial offer would not include De La Rosa because I would prefer to keep him (if possible).  We have a lot of prospects, we should be able to get it done while keeping De La Rosa (assuming that the Marlins are actively looking to trade Stanton).

     
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    no doubt there are many that feel the same way as you do

    I just feel 180 degrees different,

    with me it's not the ''need to win ''

    it's the need to go for it, I don't think a team is ever 'fixed with finality ''

    or that you can ever count on that next crop,

    I'm sure I don't need to remind you what injuries can do the the best plans

    IMO you do what you can to improve the team

    even if you can't get that stud for that 1 position that you really need to improve

    you do what you can do to improve somewhere else


    I hear you on doing what you can to improve the team. And I agree with that...just saying it ought to be within reason [though I may be a tad more cautious than most...:) ]

    Regardless, if we were going to spend big this winter and go for it in 2013, I think I'd prefer Hamilton and Greinke to Johnson, Reyes & Co., but it's a fair debate.

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    but is Ben even thinking like that???.........guess we'll see.....

     
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    Blue Jays lineup for 2013

    1.Reyes SS 
    2.Bonafacio 2B 
    3.Bautista RF 
    4.Encarnacion 1B/DH 
    5.Lawrie 3B 
    6.Arencibia CA 
    7.Rasmus CF 
    8.Lind DH 
    9.Gose/Davis LF 
     

     


    Starting Rotation 

    1.Johnson 
    2.Morrow 
    3.Buerhle 
    4.Romero 
    5.Happ 

     

    If the Blue Jays stay healthy, then this team will do very well in 2013.  

     

     
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    I'm confused though........

    we need two solid 200 inning starters right?

    we need a long term solution at SS right?

     

    Not saying this was the right deal..........but what are we doing?

    So far ..Ben has signed a DH and a backup catcher...both aging........I just don't see what Ben is really trying to do yet. Enlighten me please

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    Why would you expect to see what Ben is trying to do?  Why should he show his hand to you, journalists, agents and players?  Do you seriously contend that Ben should negotiate publically?  Can you name other companies that do that?  Did you know weeks in advance the Sox were going after Eckersley, Schilling, Pedro?

     
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    Seems like a couple of years ago,the Red Sox were favored to win the Division,ALCS and World Series after getting Gonzalez and Carl Crawford.

     I think we all know how that worked out.

     
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    BUMP

     
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    I think Marlins are outsmarting the world. 

    It is almost uniform opinion that Marlins lied to Baseball world by giving large contracts to players so they can get public funding for stadium. Once they got it, they have engaged in salary dump.

    I think that salary dump is the bonus and important rebuilding tool. What Marlins have infact done is come to quick realization that their bloated team was pathetic and just holding on to it was not going to get it done, so time to get going and sooner the better. 

    Buehrle is just another ordinary ground ball pitcher. One can pick up pitchers of his quality every year in FA market.

    I didn't see Reyes play everyday obviously but he did decline significantly from his walk year. Marlins may have seen signs which told them this will end badly. They got value out of him before he loses all value and in the process freed up some cash.

    Josh Johnson is the key. He did have some injury. He came back and was not too bad but not as great as couple of years ago. Again, Marlins probably worried about trend here......second if they were going to get ANY good prospects, they had to throw in some talent.

    So Kudos to Marlins.

    They concluded in one year about their team, what took Boston few years and what has taken Yankees.........oh never mind.

     
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    Seems like a couple of years ago,the Red Sox were favored to win the Division,ALCS and World Series after getting Gonzalez and Carl Crawford.

     I think we all know how that worked out.

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    Unfortunately, it did not work out for the Red Sox.  But the Red Sox are fortunate to dump those contracts to the Dodgers.

    Before the 1991 season when San Diego traded Joe Carter and Roberto Alomar to Toronto, we all know how that one worked out. 

    If Toronto stays healthy, I see them winning around 88 to 90 games.

     

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