Breaking: The PJ Denies Parhunter55's First True Report

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    Re: Breaking: The PJ Denies Parhunter55's First True Report

    In response to BosoxJoe5's comment:

    Felix Doubront - BOS Felix Doubront spent the winter focusing on cardio work to increase his stamina and leg strength, and strives to pitch 200 innings during the 2013 season.
    Doubront is coming off a career-high 161 innings from a season ago, and is already experiencing some weakness in his throwing shoulder early in spring camp. As long as he's healthy, Doubront possesses strong strikeout ability and could be a solid sleeper in the later rounds of fantasy drafts.
    Source: Providence Journal Feb.

    The world awaits how Parhunter is going to respond.



    Since you and the world are waiting, I will respond.  I had laready read the blurb you cited and it seemed somewhat self-contradictory.  Hard to imagine he focused on cardio and showed up out of shape.  Usually folks who work on cardio lose weight and waist size, not gain them.  Perhaps the most important line is:  "As long as he's healthy..."  Even the PJ writer is expressing doubts that he will, in fact, stay healthy.

    And that is the real point of my original post.  As the blurb you cited points out, Doubront pitched 161 ML innings in 2012.  He pitched 10 the previous season.  Counting the 77 he pitched at Pawtucket, Doubront pitched 87 innings in 2011 and 161 in 2012.  This make him a big injury risk in 2013, according to some experts, lack of conditioning aside.

    On top of that, to add context to my original proposition (to trade Doubront now, and sign Lohse), Doubront has never had an era under 4.30 in the majors.  Right now he is a competent #5 at best with potential to improve (less potential than De LaRosa, Webster, Barnes, and Wright, let alone Morales and Aceves).  At worst he is an injury risk with questionable commitment to conditioning.

    Nothing in the blurb you cited changes that, or my opinion that the Sox would be a better team if they had Lohse in the rotation, and could trade Doubront for a decent prospect (to make up for the loss of the 2nd round pick). 

    What I find most curious is that my idea for improving the team created little buzz and discussion.  Instead, I got heat for how I titled the piece (from a humorless Selenium) and grief about whether Doubront really did show up out of shape, when all I ever said was that it was reported he showed up to camp out of shape.  A fact that has been reiterated by numerous other reports, and acknowledged by no less than the GM himself!!

     
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    Re: Breaking: The PJ Denies Parhunter55's First True Report

    In response to parhunter55's comment:

    In response to BosoxJoe5's comment:

     

    Felix Doubront - BOS Felix Doubront spent the winter focusing on cardio work to increase his stamina and leg strength, and strives to pitch 200 innings during the 2013 season.
    Doubront is coming off a career-high 161 innings from a season ago, and is already experiencing some weakness in his throwing shoulder early in spring camp. As long as he's healthy, Doubront possesses strong strikeout ability and could be a solid sleeper in the later rounds of fantasy drafts.
    Source: Providence Journal Feb.

    The world awaits how Parhunter is going to respond.

     



     

    Since you and the world are waiting, I will respond.  I had laready read the blurb you cited and it seemed somewhat self-contradictory.  Hard to imagine he focused on cardio and showed up out of shape.  Usually folks who work on cardio lose weight and waist size, not gain them.  Perhaps the most important line is:  "As long as he's healthy..."  Even the PJ writer is expressing doubts that he will, in fact, stay healthy.

    And that is the real point of my original post.  As the blurb you cited points out, Doubront pitched 161 ML innings in 2012.  He pitched 10 the previous season.  Counting the 77 he pitched at Pawtucket, Doubront pitched 87 innings in 2011 and 161 in 2012.  This make him a big injury risk in 2013, according to some experts, lack of conditioning aside.

    On top of that, to add context to my original proposition (to trade Doubront now, and sign Lohse), Doubront has never had an era under 4.30 in the majors.  Right now he is a competent #5 at best with potential to improve (less potential than De LaRosa, Webster, Barnes, and Wright, let alone Morales and Aceves).  At worst he is an injury risk with questionable commitment to conditioning.

    Nothing in the blurb you cited changes that, or my opinion that the Sox would be a better team if they had Lohse in the rotation, and could trade Doubront for a decent prospect (to make up for the loss of the 2nd round pick). 

    What I find most curious is that my idea for improving the team created little buzz and discussion.  Instead, I got heat for how I titled the piece (from a humorless Selenium) and grief about whether Doubront really did show up out of shape, when all I ever said was that it was reported he showed up to camp out of shape.  A fact that has been reiterated by numerous other reports, and acknowledged by no less than the GM himself!!



    I suggested trading Doubront several times as part of a bigger package this winter, and usually I was shot down by many posters claiming that Doubie had so much upside, and that we should hope the coming to camp out of shape in 2011- the season of his first chance to make a ballplayer of himself- was not an indication of a poor attitude or a red flag that should be dealt with.

    However, almost everytime I mention trading for a player from another team, many of the same posters cite the attiude issues of the players or the high ERAs or WHIPs, etc...

    I'm hoping for the best here, but the red flag went up in 2011, his 2012 season was not as great as many here think it was, and here it is 2013, and some of us are wondering why history might be repeating itself. A small few are continuing to keep their heads in the sand and calling it "being a true fan".

     
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    Re: Breaking: The PJ Denies Parhunter55's First True Report

    My god!  The gotchgirls never stop!  He said, she said BS!

    Before mid-season last year, I was starting to get a bit excited about Dubbie.  Looks like it was just a tease?  I'm getting tired of head-cases!  How a guy his age can't get excited enough about his own clear potential is beyond me.  Sometimes youth really is wasted on the wrong people.  In Dubbie's case, where he's blowing smoke, there seems to be NO FIRE.  I agree with Moon, he probably should have been dealt???

    I'll hope for the best, but if the kid really does seem to be in lousy shape 3 weeks from now, he's likely going to be a waste of space.  NOT GOOD!  As we need all the SPing we can get!

    I'm really trying to stay positive, but this cou!ld be another cluster puck!

    As our SPing goes, so goes the season.  The scary part?  My big hopes are resting on Lackey!  The same guy I've been hammering for 3 years.......  Could be a very long season!

     
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    Re: Breaking: The PJ Denies Parhunter55's First True Report

    It's almost always about the SP'ing, and this season promises no better than the past 5 seasons.

    I hate to sound like a broken record, but we should have just gone all out for 2014 and beyond.

     
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    Re: Breaking: The PJ Denies Parhunter55's First True Report

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    I suggested trading Doubront several times as part of a bigger package this winter, and usually I was shot down by many posters claiming that Doubie had so much upside, and that we should hope the coming to camp out of shape in 2011- the season of his first chance to make a ballplayer of himself- was not an indication of a poor attitude or a red flag that should be dealt with.

    However, almost everytime I mention trading for a player from another team, many of the same posters cite the attiude issues of the players or the high ERAs or WHIPs, etc...

    I'm hoping for the best here, but the red flag went up in 2011, his 2012 season was not as great as many here think it was, and here it is 2013, and some of us are wondering why history might be repeating itself. A small few are continuing to keep their heads in the sand and calling it "being a true fan".



    I'm pretty sure nobody said his 2012 season was great.  His ERA was just under 5 so obviously it wasn't great.  The upsides were his 15 Quality Starts, his 9.3 K's per IP and his strong finish.

    For a lefthander's first full season pitching in Boston there was enough there to show potential to be a solid starter.  His numbers compare favorably to Jon Lester's at the same stage.

     
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    Re: Breaking: The PJ Denies Parhunter55's First True Report

    I certainly didnt want to see him traded. I didnt think he was an AS pitcher, but thought he did enough in 2012 to be optimistic about his future. I was Giving him the benefit of the doubt after he saw what coming into camp out of shape will do to you in 2011. He rebounded and had a very good season and it looked like his future was very promising. I didnt want to trade that away.

    Its a little disappointing seeing his physical appearance in camp this year. I hope he can work extra hard to get in the shape he needs to be in. Pitching almost twice the amount of innings he did in 2011, hes already a candidate for time on the DL with arm issues. You would think he would have gone the extra mile this off season and come into camp in no less than tip top condition. He didnt.

     

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