BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

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    BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

    listening to bv live on weei.. of everything i've heard this guy ever say, this is the most honest and i hope ownership is on board. clearly, these guys skipped a chain of command process and were rewarded for a clearcut case of insubordination. he pretty much confirmed everything in terms of process of everything that has been reported. we are still evaluating came up a few times esp with the coaches. clearly, bv WILL be back next year as was the case with belichick after his first year (when he was almost fired for going 5-11).

    when he is, things will be much different. he will have bv guys on the coaching staff, he will have a completely different protocol in place. liked his example of the pantsy way how a teacher cant reward just one student anymore, he must say "everyone did well".. bv wants to return to some of the good old ways. he is getting resistance from the softie inmates, he willl get his way or they'll pick another stooge. we cant return to the tito way, we need bv!
     
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    Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

    As you know I enjoy many of your threads but I'm not sure why you started a new thread for this, it fits in with several existing conversations.
     
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    Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

    Did he really say that?
     
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    Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

    Here's the thing. Are there any glaring examples of BV blowing games by making bad decisions? Is his on-the-field managing costing them games?

    Because if it is, fire him. But should they change the manager because the players don't like him? No. He was hired to bring back accountability to the clubhouse. He's not their to pat them on the back and tell them everything is fine if everything is not fine.

    Beckett and Lester have been horrible. Seeing as how they're the top two starters, that's a significant problem. They let Papelbon go in part because they had Bard ready to take over as closer. So they turn Bard into a starter. Then trade a promising young player for an injury prone closer to replace Papelbon/Bard. Then when the injury prone closer gets injured, take a guy who settled into a long-relief role and make him a closer, to little success. They traded Lowrie for a reliever who spend most of the season in the minors because he's just that bad. They traded Youkilis for nothing because they had too many guys at 3B. Not long ago they traded for another 3B because now they don't have enough. And again, they gave him away for nothing. Just got rid of him to be rid of him. The man making these moves is a GM who might no actually have any power - he wasn't allowed to choose his manager because the front office decided on a manager before they even started interviewing. Then they hire the manager but he's not allowed to pick his coaches. But the manager was hired because he's not player friendly, to right the ship after they blamed last seasons failure on the player friendly manager. But when the unfriendly manager acts unfriendly they ask him to be nicer or arrange for the team to have a therapy session. The already mentioned struggling starters seem to have no problem with how they're performing and nobody seems to do anything to give them the message that their performance isn't good enough and saying "I just didn't make adjustments" afterwards isn't good enough. Why isn't Beckett being skipped if he can only be depended on to give up 5 to 8 runs? Why isn't he being sent to the bullpen? Why isn't something done to give him a wake up call that his performance isn't acceptable and his indifference towards it won't be tolerated? The guy gets blown out, smirks as they boo him off the mound, blows it off afterwards as just another rough night, and is back on the mound 5 days later like nothing happened. Nobody has to be accountable for anything because if you bench Beckett he'll be mad and complain to ownership who will back him up. It's like when your Dad punishes you for something and you get your Mom to talk him out of it.
     

    There's a lot more dysfunction and confusion here that has to be addressed before they blame it on the manager. There's no way things should be allowed to continue like this but the only person anyone even suggests is a problem and has to be replaced is the manager. This group of guys haven't been getting it done for a while now and they've spent most of the year more concerned about how much they don't like the manager than how they're playing baseball.
     
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    Did he really say that?
    Posted by Joebreidey

    listen to the eei archive from yesterday.. bv never corrected the reporters as in the past when they took shots at both the players and coaches. one time he did it was to respond "that he didnt think any of the coaches are undercutting him..." yet in the next breath, he said, alll of them are stilll under evaluation. he just didnt get his own boyz around him. no one has his back, not the staff, not the owners, not the plaers, not the media.. this is what happens when one does things half way.. they didnt want tito or a tito type but didnt wanna go all in with power to a 'stranger".. too much chaos.
     
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    Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

    Ownership is even feeling betrayed by the players and have decided to punish them by sticking with Bobby V. That is all there is to it.

    I to am happy to force the players to be managed by someone they apparently loath.
     
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    Here's the thing. Are there any glaring examples of BV blowing games by making bad decisions? Is his on-the-field managing costing them games? Because if it is, fire him. But should they change the manager because the players don't like him? No. He was hired to bring back accountability to the clubhouse. He's not their to pat them on the back and tell them everything is fine if everything is not fine. Beckett and Lester have been horrible. Seeing as how they're the top two starters, that's a significant problem. They let Papelbon go in part because they had Bard ready to take over as closer. So they turn Bard into a starter. Then trade a promising young player for an injury prone closer to replace Papelbon/Bard. Then when the injury prone closer gets injured, take a guy who settled into a long-relief role and make him a closer, to little success. They traded Lowrie for a reliever who spend most of the season in the minors because he's just that bad. They traded Youkilis for nothing because they had too many guys at 3B. Not long ago they traded for another 3B because now they don't have enough. And again, they gave him away for nothing. Just got rid of him to be rid of him. The man making these moves is a GM who might no actually have any power - he wasn't allowed to choose his manager because the front office decided on a manager before they even started interviewing. Then they hire the manager but he's not allowed to pick his coaches. But the manager was hired because he's not player friendly, to right the ship after they blamed last seasons failure on the player friendly manager. But when the unfriendly manager acts unfriendly they ask him to be nicer or arrange for the team to have a therapy session. The already mentioned struggling starters seem to have no problem with how they're performing and nobody seems to do anything to give them the message that their performance isn't good enough and saying "I just didn't make adjustments" afterwards isn't good enough. Why isn't Beckett being skipped if he can only be depended on to give up 5 to 8 runs? Why isn't he being sent to the bullpen? Why isn't something done to give him a wake up call that his performance isn't acceptable and his indifference towards it won't be tolerated? The guy gets blown out, smirks as they boo him off the mound, blows it off afterwards as just another rough night, and is back on the mound 5 days later like nothing happened. Nobody has to be accountable for anything because if you bench Beckett he'll be mad and complain to ownership who will back him up. It's like when your Dad punishes you for something and you get your Mom to talk him out of it.   There's a lot more dysfunction and confusion here that has to be addressed before they blame it on the manager. There's no way things should be allowed to continue like this but the only person anyone even suggests is a problem and has to be replaced is the manager. This group of guys haven't been getting it done for a while now and they've spent most of the year more concerned about how much they don't like the manager than how they're playing baseball.
    Posted by Motown9009


    But wait, we all saw him throw that DP ball into center field last night, didn't we? Just another loss that has to be BV's fault.
     
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    In Response to Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!" : But wait, we all saw him throw that DP ball into center field last night, didn't we? Just another loss that has to be BV's fault.
    Posted by BOSOX1941


    I thought Bv was going to bring back fundamental baseball?
     
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    Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

    Whatever happened in September 2011 spilled into 2012.  Not only did it spill into 2012, but here we are in mid-august, and the dysfunction is still going strong.  If anything it has gotten worse.

    I agree that this isnt BV's fault; however, he needs to go.  It's irrelevant that he was never given a fair chance.  It's irrelevant that the "inmates are running the asylum."  It's irrelevant that the players have an entitled attitude.  The only thing that matters is: do the sox have a better shot at making the postseason in 2013 w/ BV or with anybody else?  I belive that there is someone else out there who would improve the sox's chances at making the postseason.

    As a result, a managerial change is needed.  Again, its not Bobby's fault, just an unfotunate reality.
     
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    Whatever happened in September 2011 spilled into 2012.  Not only did it spill into 2012, but here we are in mid-august, and the dysfunction is still going strong.  If anything it has gotten worse. I agree that this isnt BV's fault; however, he needs to go.  It's irrelevant that he was never given a fair chance.  It's irrelevant that the "inmates are running the asylum."  It's irrelevant that the players have an entitled attitude.  The only thing that matters is: do the sox have a better shot at making the postseason in 2013 w/ BV or with anybody else?  I belive that there is someone else out there who would improve the sox's chances at making the postseason. As a result, a managerial change is needed.  Again, its not Bobby's fault, just an unfotunate reality.
    Posted by Drewski5


    I don't disagree. Even if he/they want him to come back next year, he was never in it for the long-haul. He's not going to be the guy who settles in here for 6 or 7 years. But they have bigger problems than the manager right now. If they fire him they players will feel they won and act the same way when the new guy gets hard on them.
     
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    Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

    In Response to Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!":
    Whatever happened in September 2011 spilled into 2012.  Not only did it spill into 2012, but here we are in mid-august, and the dysfunction is still going strong.  If anything it has gotten worse. I agree that this isnt BV's fault; however, he needs to go.  It's irrelevant that he was never given a fair chance.  It's irrelevant that the "inmates are running the asylum."  It's irrelevant that the players have an entitled attitude.  The only thing that matters is: do the sox have a better shot at making the postseason in 2013 w/ BV or with anybody else?  I belive that there is someone else out there who would improve the sox's chances at making the postseason. As a result, a managerial change is needed.  Again, its not Bobby's fault, just an unfotunate reality.
    Posted by Drewski5


    Drewski speaks reality and it likely fell on deaf reader fingertips.
     
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    In Response to Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!":
    Here's the thing. Are there any glaring examples of BV blowing games by making bad decisions? Is his on-the-field managing costing them games? Because if it is, fire him. But should they change the manager because the players don't like him? No. He was hired to bring back accountability to the clubhouse. He's not their to pat them on the back and tell them everything is fine if everything is not fine. Beckett and Lester have been horrible. Seeing as how they're the top two starters, that's a significant problem. They let Papelbon go in part because they had Bard ready to take over as closer. So they turn Bard into a starter. Then trade a promising young player for an injury prone closer to replace Papelbon/Bard. Then when the injury prone closer gets injured, take a guy who settled into a long-relief role and make him a closer, to little success. They traded Lowrie for a reliever who spend most of the season in the minors because he's just that bad. They traded Youkilis for nothing because they had too many guys at 3B. Not long ago they traded for another 3B because now they don't have enough. And again, they gave him away for nothing. Just got rid of him to be rid of him. The man making these moves is a GM who might no actually have any power - he wasn't allowed to choose his manager because the front office decided on a manager before they even started interviewing. Then they hire the manager but he's not allowed to pick his coaches. But the manager was hired because he's not player friendly, to right the ship after they blamed last seasons failure on the player friendly manager. But when the unfriendly manager acts unfriendly they ask him to be nicer or arrange for the team to have a therapy session. The already mentioned struggling starters seem to have no problem with how they're performing and nobody seems to do anything to give them the message that their performance isn't good enough and saying "I just didn't make adjustments" afterwards isn't good enough. Why isn't Beckett being skipped if he can only be depended on to give up 5 to 8 runs? Why isn't he being sent to the bullpen? Why isn't something done to give him a wake up call that his performance isn't acceptable and his indifference towards it won't be tolerated? The guy gets blown out, smirks as they boo him off the mound, blows it off afterwards as just another rough night, and is back on the mound 5 days later like nothing happened. Nobody has to be accountable for anything because if you bench Beckett he'll be mad and complain to ownership who will back him up. It's like when your Dad punishes you for something and you get your Mom to talk him out of it.   There's a lot more dysfunction and confusion here that has to be addressed before they blame it on the manager. There's no way things should be allowed to continue like this but the only person anyone even suggests is a problem and has to be replaced is the manager. This group of guys haven't been getting it done for a while now and they've spent most of the year more concerned about how much they don't like the manager than how they're playing baseball.
    Posted by Motown9009

    this is an excellent summary of what has happened. thanks for writing it.
     
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    Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

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    Ownership is even feeling betrayed by the players and have decided to punish them by sticking with Bobby V. That is all there is to it. I to am happy to force the players to be managed by someone they apparently loath.
    Posted by EnchiladaT

    I think so too. This is exactly what they need.
     
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    In Response to Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!" : I don't disagree. Even if he/they want him to come back next year, he was never in it for the long-haul. He's not going to be the guy who settles in here for 6 or 7 years. But they have bigger problems than the manager right now. If they fire him they players will feel they won and act the same way when the new guy gets hard on them.
    Posted by Motown9009

    Firing Bobby will just continue the problems and yes, the players with their feeling of entitlement and power. They are a bunch of spoiled brats.
     
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    In Response to Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!" : Firing Bobby will just continue the problems and yes, the players with their feeling of entitlement and power. They are a bunch of spoiled brats.
    Posted by DirtDawgSox


    Teams comprised of spoiled brats win championships all of the time.  The goal isnt sending a message to players.  The goal isnt transforming the roster for teh sake of change.  The goal is winning.  The only goal is winning.

    If they win with a bunch of entitled/spoied brats, no one would care.  
     
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    Re: BV: "perhaps what these guys consider the RIGHT way around here is really the WRONG way!"

    Did people really think they would fire him with 7 weeks left?  A change of manager isn't going to fix all of the issues here.

    I just do not believe that he will be back next year.  No way.  For as much as some of this team has acted like a bunch of babies, there is plenty of culpability on BV's part, too.
     
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    Did people really think they would fire him with 7 weeks left?  A change of manager isn't going to fix all of the issues here. I just do not believe that he will be back next year.  No way.  For as much as some of this team has acted like a bunch of babies, there is plenty of culpability on BV's part, too.
    Posted by soups


    I expect him to be fired once they are out of it.  This way , they can focus the remainder of the 2012 season on clearing out the dysfunction to prevent such dysfunction from flowing into the 2013 season.
     
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