BV and Tazawa

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    Okay answer this: What place did Boston finish in? Don't be arrogant.
     
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    Third place.
     
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    [QUOTE]Stop defending Tito dude. Its bull#crap
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]Nobody needs to defend Terry Francona. His record here spoke for itself.

    Every manager gets grief whenever the players he puts in a position to succeed don't. Every once in a while no matter how anyone tries you just can't find any statistical logic for the decisions but most of the time once you get past the second guessing, there is a foundation for the decision and it just did not work.

    Just last night, BV made the same kind of line-up move that Tito would make and get blasted for, sitting the very hot Sweeny for a scuffling DMac. But it worked.

    I don't think with a big lead that Tito would have pulled Tazawa BTW, not with every change this year being such an adventure so far and no lead safe in the BPs hands.

    No reason to compare BV and Tito at this point.   


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BV and Tazawa : Nobody needs to defend Terry Francona. His record here spoke for itself. Every manager gets grief whenever the players he puts in a position to succeed don't. Every once in a while no matter how anyone tries you just can't find any statistical logic for the decisions but most of the time once you get past the second guessing, there is a foundation for the decision and it just did not work. Just last night, BV made the same kind of line-up move that Tito would make and get blasted for, sitting the very hot Sweeny for a scuffling DMac. But it worked. I don't think with a big lead that Tito would have pulled Tazawa BTW, not with every change this year being such an adventure so far and no lead safe in the BPs hands. No reason to compare BV and Tito at this point.   
    Posted by fivekatz[/QUOTE]
    Maybe Sweeney had very bad numbers against Danks.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BV and Tazawa : Maybe Sweeney had very bad numbers against Danks.
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]Exactly the point. There are usually stats behind what managers do. In Sweeny's case he has a career OPS of .588 versus LH while his OPS versus RH is .769.

    He has never faced Danks.

    But this is the type of move that Francona was ripped for regularly and I am sure if the RS had not ripped the cover off of the ball and DMac had gone 0fer BV would have been ripped too.
     
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    [QUOTE]Stop defending Tito dude. Its bull#crap
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]
    Looks like we're back to debating the past. But it's not necessary to defend a manager with two World Series championship rings.

     
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    [QUOTE]Baseball-Reference.com, Burrito.  It's very easy for anyone to check every box score from last year. If you don't want to bother checking, just answer these simple questions: 1) What spot did Ortiz usually hit in. 2) What spot did Crawford usually hit in.
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]
    I watch every game, and without looking it up, I'd bet that Crawford hit in the 7th spot much much more than the 6 spot. 
     
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    You'd lose that bet.  Crawford had 196 PA's in the 6 spot and 141 PA's in the 7 spot.

     
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    Tito did tilt strongly towards the L-R-L alternation line-up as best he could. He also tended to not juggle key players within the line-up anymore than he had too.

    Here's the link to the game-by-game line-ups:



    Papi and Drew and Papi/Crawford often batted 5/6 last year.

    The point that is being missed is that 5 of our top 9 PA players are lefties. Tito pretty much had to have 2 lefties in a row somewhere in the line-up, but find me how many times he had 3 in a row or 2 back-to-back lefties. 
     
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    Most managers use the L-R-L alternation, it's pretty much Managing 101 now, right?  Especially with the lefty specialist relievers.  If you have a bunch of lefty hitters in a row they bring in the lefty reliever and he can be in for 3 straight hitters.  But with the alternation they can't do it as easily.
     
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    [QUOTE]You'd lose that bet.  Crawford had 196 PA's in the 6 spot and 141 PA's in the 7 spot.
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]
    Baseball-reference.com makes it so easy, doesn't it?
     
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    L-R-L-R sure maybe in a part of the order, but 1-9? That is just stupid.
     
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    The thing is Burrito, Francona wasn't obsessed with it like you're making him out to be.  It all depends on the makeup of your offence.  I just checked the box scores from the 2007 World Series and our lineup the first two games was Pedroia-Youkilis-Ortiz-Ramirez-Lowell.  So it was R-R-L-R-R.
     
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    [QUOTE]The thing is Burrito, Francona wasn't obsessed with it like you're making him out to be.  It all depends on the makeup of your offence.  I just checked the box scores from the 2007 World Series and our lineup the first two games was Pedroia-Youkilis-Ortiz-Ramirez-Lowell.  So it was R-R-L-R-R.
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]
    Exactly. Going by who made the most starts at each position, the breakdown last season was five lefties, three righties, and one switchie. As you pointed out earlier, Crawford mostly batted sixth last year. And Ortiz mostly batted fifth.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BV and Tazawa : Maybe Sweeney had very bad numbers against Danks.
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]


    .230....  DMAC .277 before last night
     
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    [QUOTE]Okay answer this: What place did Boston finish in? Don't be arrogant.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    Did I miss something?  Was this your response to being corrected on the L-R-L thing?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BV and Tazawa : what drives me crazy is when people post (this happened last year as well) that the Red Sox offense is not that good and to prove this point out the time the offense scores 3 runs or less. Of course they never bother to compare this to other teams.  I mean.  Why would they?
    Posted by snakeoil123[/QUOTE]

    They are from the make-it-up-as-you-go-along school of baseball philosophy.  You have to get with the times.  The theory now is that, if you present facts in an argument, that you'll damage the other person's self-esteem.  Therefore all opnions are created equally.
     
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    News Flash...
    Every manager in baseball past and present. Wants nothing more than for thier starters to get deep in games. Todays gold standard is 7 innings / 120 pitches...When they do it makes managing the bullpen much easier. Getting depth from your rotation. Helps to minimize the bullpens workload and if in an ideal world a manager can plan on only needing 3 innings a game out of the pen. It allows him to ensure that all of his relievers get the requist rest between appearances. Which helps to insure when thier number is called they have thier best stuff.

    It's all about the math...Number of pitches = number of days rest and with the pen, the frequency in which a reliever warms up is also factored into his avaliability. Before each game the manager discusses with the pitching coach who is and is not available...Then based on how well the starter is doing, and his pitch count. The manager when the starter reaches his maximum pitch count or losses his command...then makes his choice of reliever based on the score of the game, the innings in which they're needed, and who's available that day.

    It's pretty simple if one takes the time to understand each member of the pens role in the big picture and the process for making the decision on who pitches or not...It's pretty much the same on every team in the big leagues. What differs is the makeup of a teams pen and the quality and depth of thier rotations...The Rays lean heavilty on thier starters to work deep in games to lesson the load on the pen. The Yankees with Soriano, Roberson and MO lean on thier pen to lesson the load on thier starters.
     
    As for Francona's use of the pen...those that like to take shots at him for how he handled the pen, simply weren't paying attention. Last year in particular...not sure that it was his fault that our starting pitching after August 1st couldn't get deep in games, forcing him to over use the pen and the results was an epic collapse. Much the same as it was in Atlanta...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BV and Tazawa : They are from the make-it-up-as-you-go-along school of baseball philosophy.  You have to get with the times.  The theory now is that, if you present facts in an argument, that you'll damage the other person's self-esteem.  Therefore all opnions are created equally.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    haha.   Joe, I detect a aim-to-kill edge in your posting thus far this season.  A far cry from years past when Joebreidey could be counted on for no-nonsense keen baseball analysis with a dry, subtle dig thrown in here and there for emphasis.  I gotta say, I LIKE IT.  Seems to me a reflection of our Red Sox themselves.  Scrappy. 
     
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    Tito's philospohy was as much about protecting the pitcher's psyche as it was protecting their arms.  I noticed early-on that he almost always gave a SP a chance to leave without picking up a loss if it were possible.
     
    There's no doubt that he pulled some guys earlier than I would have but in doing so he allowed the pitcher to look back at the game the next day and say, "I did a pretty good job yesterday.  I left a one-run game in the 6th inning with a runner on 1st and the BP did the job from there.  That's the way it's supposed to be". 
    That gave the pitcher confidence going into his next start.

    That was his managerial style - to manage the players as much as the game - and it brought the Sox two WS championships so there's got to be a lot to be said for it.  Other styles work also, but that was his and it worked. 

    In 2011 that worked well from May until the end of of August but when the wheels came off in September nothing Tito did was going to work anyway.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BV and Tazawa : Did I miss something?  Was this your response to being corrected on the L-R-L thing?
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]
    Yeah, I was wondering what the relevance was, too.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BV and Tazawa : Did I miss something?  Was this your response to being corrected on the L-R-L thing?
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    Not sure what is eating our friend Burrito.  He seems really sour right now. 
     

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