Re: Can we get Asdrubal Cabrera in a trade?
posted at 1/26/2012 10:52 PM EST
In Response to Re: Can we get Asdrubal Cabrera in a trade?
I've seen plenty of games with Cabrera, smug man. You're comparison of Braun and Bettencourt is asinine. Cabrera lead his team in atting average, hits, runs and RBI. What did Bettencourt lead the Brewers in? You're not nearly as knowledegable as you think you are.
Posted by GhostofTito
Wow, you don’t get how exaggerations and extreme examples work. “Asinine” was the point, and meant to counter your “asinine” and incomplete logic. Your only support previously for Cabrera was that he played SS, and there you decided to end your argument. With that on the table, what choice did I have to refute that but to go with the team that had the reigning MVP and the worst shortstop in MLB? The stars aligned for it.
If you like, I can use an example closer to your heart. Who is the better player for the Red Sox – Rick Burleson or Dwight Evans? Burleson was very, very good all around SS who was an important offensive cog, but Evans was an elite RF, particularly defensively. However, as you said, Burleson played a more important position. (Don’t respond with some stupid “Are you comparing Choo to Evans”? or similar avoidance. Just answer the question.)
However, now you are using batting average, hits, runs, RBI. I should warn you, those are stats, and you always want to refute statistical evidence. But if you like, I could easily support it by reminding you that Choo has topped Cabrera in all of those categories the previous years. Now, had you said “Cabrera was their best player last year” or “in 2011”, I’d be more inclined to agree. But that is only one season of his 4 year career and happened because all their more talented players were injured. In some cases (Grady Sizemore) this was not very surprising. But as an overall player, I’d take Choo, because he is a much, much better overall player. The only reason Cabrera lead the team in those categories was because Choo was injured, as Choo has topped him in every one every previous year.
In fact, I would think you of all posters would have appreciated my Choo/Cabrera comparisons. I only used “use your eyes” evidence with no stats like WAR or UZR. Just simple observed facts. Choo is a terrific outfielder who has a cannon for an arm; this is a fact. He is on base all the time - fact. He has accomplished 20/20 multiple times – fact. (Cabrera – never.) How Choo has never made an All Star team is a complete travesty.
And defensively, you still overvalue Cabrera. He has a weak arm for a SS and does not cover much ground. He does make his share of diving stops, because he has to. As a shortstop, he is probably what you would see if Pedroia switched back over to the position. Tolerable, but certainly not the stellar defender he can look like with the occasional WebGem. I would think the Indians should switch him to 2B or 3B, those positins are where all the Indians’ younger talent is, any switching Kipnis, Phelps or Chisenhall to SS would probably be worse. The Indians also have very little left at shortstop except the defensively superior Jack Hannahan, but he is a pure out machine at the plate. Basically, he is playing shortstop by default.
If your argument is that Cabrera had a breakout offensive season and a team is smarter building around a SS (even a default one) than a RF, there is merit to that, however, I am hesitant to call Cabrera a breakout player until he does it twice, or at least comes close a second time. And none of that changes his defensive limitations. Also, don’t undervalue the importance of a good defensive RF. As a frequent advocate and obvious fan of Dwight Evans, I think you would understand that.
I do agree with you on the point that the Indians are not going to trade Cabrera any time soon. In fact, they probably try to extend him at some point this year…