Carl Crawford

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    I think you need to get used to seeing Crawford, and hope that he gets better.  Nobody is going to pick up the contract of the Carl Crawford that's playing this year.

    That having been said, I DO think he's going to get better.  This guy just has TOO MANY TOOLS to be playing like this. 
     
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    I try to stay away from threads with Crawford as the topic...inpart because we keep beatin a dead horse on this topic...

    He's ours and he ain't going anywhere and for his sake and that of the team, now would be a good time to break out of his funk...

    My advice to him is this...Just hit the damn ball kid!
     
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    [QUOTE]   If Crawford can turn season around, and admittedly that's a BIG IF, by putting him in 6th hole, he could act as second lead off man, after the big 5 do their damage. Posted by attic-dan[/QUOTE]

    That makes about as much sense as putting him fourth so he can lead off in the second inning.
     
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    CC is back to his old ways....tap to the pitcher.
     
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    [QUOTE]All you guys piling on AFTER a win and a successful trip out west are a bunch of haters.  There is no way to avoid.  You guys are joyless.  I have had to decrease the time I spend here and this thread is exhibit A.  I think that maybe, just maybe, I'll come to the forum and the posts will be positive in nature.  Instead, its the same old nonsense.  whine, moan, complain.  That is all I ever read.  How the hell do you stand yourselves?
    Posted by jimdavis[/QUOTE]

    LOL. So true.
     
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    Man you just don't get what you use to get for $142 million dollars these days.
    I mean $20 million per year for playing baseball, you've got to be kidding. Hardly worth showing up.

    Geez houses that were selling for $300,000 three years ago are now selling for $900,000. Oh wait a minute, it's the other way around. Houses that were selling for $900,000 three years ago are selling for $300,000

    What a bargain Carl Crawford is, Theo should get the Baseball executive of the year award for signing such a prize. No doubt he will. Must be very hard for Theo to compete against all theses other GM's who live in the real world. PShaw to those peasants.

    I really don't understand why Crawford isn't holding out for more money, you know if he gets 150 hits this year, he's only getting $133,333.33 per hit. Now that is BS. I definitely wouldn't do it for that.

    This is unbelievable, what ever happened for a good days pay for a good days work. Crawford is really getting the shaft in Boston
     
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    [QUOTE]Man you just don't get what you use to get for $142 million dollars these days. I mean $20 million per year for playing baseball, you've got to be kidding. Hardly worth showing up. Geez houses that were selling for $300,000 three years ago are now selling for $900,000. Oh wait a minute, it's the other way around. Houses that were selling for $900,000 three years ago are selling for $300,000 What a bargain Carl Crawford is, Theo should get the Baseball executive of the year award for signing such a prize. No doubt he will. Must be very hard for Theo to compete against all theses other GM's who live in the real world. PShaw to those peasants. I really don't understand why Crawford isn't holding out for more money, you know if he gets 150 hits this year, he's only getting $133,333.33 per hit. Now that is BS. I definitely wouldn't do it for that. This is unbelievable, what ever happened for a good days pay for a good days work. Crawford is really getting the shaft in Boston
    Posted by aussiewill[/QUOTE]

    You've been posting here for six years, and nobody knows who you are.
     
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    jimdavis you may be a Sox fan and you may never say anything negative about the Sox but you sure know how to take some swings at other posters... that's all. Nobody cares all that much about you either.
     
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    Actually I have been posting for 10 years, use to be .406 . Bit cynical at times, but I have been a Sox fan since I was a kid growing up in Brockton in the 50's.

    Saw Teddy Ball Game, Jackie Jensen, Piersall, Malzone, the Mick, Yogi. Whitey Ford, Rico, Yaz , Bob Feller, Kaline, Bunning pitch a no hitter in fenway in 1958.
     
    Lived in San Francisco in the 60's went to lots of Giants games, loved Willie Mays, Willie Mc Covey, Juan Marichal, Cepeda. Saw the great Koufax, Drysdale, Bob Gibson, Hank Aaron . Saw Catfish pitch a perfect game, against the Minnesota Twins in The Oakland Coliseum in 1968. Reggie , Rudi, Bando Fingers, Killebrew, Carew, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver .Baseball has been one of the most pleasant experiences of my live, for sure. More to come. One can only hope.

    I look back at these great players, against these guys Crawford is a joke. I never saw Williams swing at a ball in the dirt, ever. He was the maestro, poetry in motion. Ted played when the strike zone was from the knees to the letters. Crawford would be lucky to hit .200 with that strike zone today. He played for $100,000 per year, don't know what that is in todays dollars but it ain't $20 million that's for sure.
     
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    Do you think that by October, Carl Crawford will magically learn how to hit the cut off man??!???
     
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    [QUOTE]Actually I have been posting for 10 years, use to be .406 . Bit cynical at times, but I have been a Sox fan since I was a kid growing up in Brockton in the 50's. Saw Teddy Ball Game, Jackie Jensen, Piersall, Malzone, the Mick, Yogi. Whitey Ford, Rico, Yaz , Bob Feller, Kaline, Bunning pitch a no hitter in fenway in 1958.   Lived in San Francisco in the 60's went to lots of Giants games, loved Willie Mays, Willie Mc Covey, Juan Marichal, Cepeda. Saw the great Koufax, Drysdale, Bob Gibson, Hank Aaron . Saw Catfish pitch a perfect game, against the Minnesota Twins in The Oakland Coliseum in 1968. Reggie , Rudi, Bando Fingers, Killebrew, Carew, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver .Baseball has been one of the most pleasant experiences of my live, for sure. More to come. One can only hope. I look back at these great players, against these guys Crawford is a joke. I never saw Williams swing at a ball in the dirt, ever. He was the maestro, poetry in motion. Ted played when the strike zone was from the knees to the letters. Crawford would be lucky to hit .200 with that strike zone today. He played for $100,000 per year, don't know what that is in todays dollars but it ain't $20 million that's for sure.
    Posted by aussiewill[/QUOTE]

    What do past salaries have to do with today?  Do you cry over the price of gas or milk?   Life is tough, huh?

    The amazing part is that you negative trolls think that you are the only ones who can see Carl is struggling.   And that you are the only ones who know how much money he makes.

    No sheet Sherlock ... gee, how smart of you to come into this POSITIVE thread and spew your garbage all over the place.   That takes courage and brains!!!!
     

    Sox fans support the team NO MATTER WHAT.  Not just when they are doing well.  And that goes for our players too. 
     
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Carl Crawford : You've been posting here for six years, and nobody knows who you are.
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    LMFAO, this is one of the best retorts I've seen to a post ever here.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Carl Crawford : What do past salaries have to do with today?  Do you cry over the price of gas or milk?   Life is tough, huh? The amazing part is that you negative trolls think that you are the only ones who can see Carl is struggling.   And that you are the only ones who know how much money he makes. No sheet Sherlock ... gee, how smart of you to come into this POSITIVE thread and spew your garbage all over the place.   That takes courage and brains!!!!   Sox fans support the team NO MATTER WHAT.  Not just when they are doing well.  And that goes for our players too.   
    Posted by soxmeister[/QUOTE]

    To me, this is one of the best posts that I have seen in a long time.  The chronically negative fans somehow believe that they are the chosen few with eyesight and reading ability to realize that Crawford is having a bad year. Everyone else is blind in their world. So what do they do, they preach to the choir and expect each choir member to pat them on the back and say " Hey, I guess that you are right, Crawford is having a bad year, thank you so much for enlightening me". What will the chosen few tell us tomorrow - that Fenway Park now has seats above the Green Monster? Amazing how the minds of these people work.

     
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    [QUOTE]Actually I have been posting for 10 years, use to be .406 . Bit cynical at times, but I have been a Sox fan since I was a kid growing up in Brockton in the 50's. Saw Teddy Ball Game, Jackie Jensen, Piersall, Malzone, the Mick, Yogi. Whitey Ford, Rico, Yaz , Bob Feller, Kaline, Bunning pitch a no hitter in fenway in 1958.   Lived in San Francisco in the 60's went to lots of Giants games, loved Willie Mays, Willie Mc Covey, Juan Marichal, Cepeda. Saw the great Koufax, Drysdale, Bob Gibson, Hank Aaron . Saw Catfish pitch a perfect game, against the Minnesota Twins in The Oakland Coliseum in 1968. Reggie , Rudi, Bando Fingers, Killebrew, Carew, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver .Baseball has been one of the most pleasant experiences of my live, for sure. More to come. One can only hope. I look back at these great players, against these guys Crawford is a joke. I never saw Williams swing at a ball in the dirt, ever. He was the maestro, poetry in motion. Ted played when the strike zone was from the knees to the letters. Crawford would be lucky to hit .200 with that strike zone today. He played for $100,000 per year, don't know what that is in todays dollars but it ain't $20 million that's for sure.
    Posted by aussiewill[/QUOTE]

    Hey Aussiewill....

    I too have been following the Sox for quite some time (I'm of the Yaz ERA).

    Not sure that I get the correlation nor the comparison between he and Crawford? Teddy ball game's resume speaks for itself, so I won't try to diminish his accomplishemnts, but if he were playing today...first off he'd be making some pretty big dough! That said, the game has changed and while Ted Willams was a great player, HOF, etc...He played in an ERA when he wasn't playing against the best in the world (pre desegragation), that and he regularilty would get 3 or 4 at bats a game against the same pitcher...He and the player of the 40's 50 and 60's never had to deal with the lefty specialist and the closers of today game...I'm sure he would still have been a HOFer...Trust me he would've struggled to square up Rivera's cutter just like ever other lefthanded hitter of this generation...Not to mention guys like Sparky Lyle's (slider) who were death to lefties...Sutters splitter was prety nasty as well and he wouldn't have been the first nor the last HOF to offer at one that bounced. The list gone on and on different era's and we could argue all day about which era was the best, I'd probably settle on the 70's cause that when all teams were fully intergrated...

    What Crawfrod is making is a by product of fiscal model of the modern game, Good for him. I am not a big fan of beatin a guy up because of what he makes. I, like all fans, want to see players earn thier dough, playing to thier potential. Cleary Crawford is falling short, but he can start to turn it around begining tonight! The kids to good an athlete to continue playing so poorly...For his sake and that of the teams...lets hope tonight is the night he squares up a couple of balls and shows us why Theo and more importantly John Henry chose to make him a very wealthy young man...he'll never be Teddy ball game, that was not the expectation...what we all thought we'd get was a dynamic all around ball player that'd hit close to 300 and steal us 50 bags...

     
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    How many 1 tool players are waiting in the minors for a call up at mininum wage?

    That's the $142 million dollar question.......

     
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    [QUOTE]s5: No one wanted lugo's contract or edgar's either.  The sox had to pay  teams to take them.  The sox ended paying most of lugo's contract for years. Posted by jackbu[/QUOTE]

    Yes, Jack.  I thought about that too.  But that $142MM is a big bite to take. 

    I'm not saying that he's going to be here forever if he doesn't improve, but as I said originally, we all have to get used to his being here, at least until the FO decides that they're going to have to swallow that bitter pill.  And that ain't going to happen this year.
     
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    [QUOTE]How many 1 tool players are waiting in the minors for a call up at mininum wage? That's the $142 million dollar question.......
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]
    if you got a .285 on-base percentage, I have a spot for you in the Sox lineup.
     
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    This just in: CC has been actually playing dead for the last several months. While the body of CC still looks like him, and he still parades as a MLB player, the real story is he died several months ago and his movements are being manipulated by a computer used in the Sox dugout, operated by their cracker-jack medical staff--Dr. Quackenbush. For a dead guy, he's hitting pretty damn good if you ask me.
     
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    People wanted to throw Julio Lugo under the bus for far less $....

    Hopefully....hopefully, Crawford will be Exhibit A for all GM's negotiating contracts......shove it right in Boras's fat face.......seriously, something good has to come out of this mess............

    anyways, maybe he'll cut off man just once this year.........

     
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    [QUOTE]People wanted to throw Julio Lugo under the bus for far less $.... Hopefully....hopefully, Crawford will be Exhibit A for all GM's negotiating contracts......shove it right in Boras's fat face.......seriously, something good has to come out of this mess............ anyways, maybe he'll cut off man just once this year.........
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    I know I've said this here before, but I hope Jason Veritek has a long talk with Ellsbury before Ells and the Sox start negotiating. That might give Ells a whole new perspective on having Borass as an agent. 

    Borass is looking out for one person only in negotiations, and that's Borass. 
     
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    How is that going to help us, assuming you want to retain Ellsbury?

    Don't you think that Tek benefited by having Boras as an agent?
     
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