Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

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    Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Casey Kotchman Age 28

    Kotchman 2011   BA  .326  OBP .385  SLG .443  OPS .828
    Kotchman career BA .267  OBP  .333  SLG .399  OPS .732

    Kotchman appears to breaking out at the plate.

    Carl Crawford Age 28  in 2010

    Crawford 2010   BA  .307  OBP .356  SLG .495  OPS .851   19HR
    Crawford 2011   BA  .245  OBP .280  SLG .379 OPS  .659   12 Projected
    Crawford career BA  .293  OBP .334  SLG .440  OPS .774   13HR

    Ellsbury Age 28 in 2011

    Ellsbury 2011    BA  .317  OBP .373  SLG .513  OPS .886   24 Projected
    Ellsbury 2010    BA  .192  OBP .241  SLG .244  OPS .485    0 HR
    Ellsbury 2009    BA  .301  OBP .355  SLG .415  OPS .770    9 HR
    Ellsbury career  BA . 298  OBP .351  SLG .430  OPS .781    12 HR

    Is Crawford the 2010 Crawford?

    Is Kotchman the 2011 Kotchman?

    Is Ellsbury the 2011 Ellsbury?

    Do you offer Ellsbury 130M over 7 years, and pay for the 2011 Ellsbury?

    Do you winter trade Ellsbury's 2 years and 6 to 8M a year?

    Note: Ellsbury 2011 v. LHP BA .246 OBP .319  SLG .405  OPS .724

    Do you go long term with this OF:

    Ellsbury
    Crawford
    Reddick/Kalish/Aviles

    Note: Local Red Sox Fan and media MVP candidate is 9th in AL OPS and way behind OF'ers Bautista and Granderson, with Granderson also sporting 20 steals 84 RBI's, 98 runs and 28 homers. Ellsbury is also trailing Pedroia, who has 22 steals, AGon and Ortiz in OPS. 

    Who is the team MVP?  

    Agon, Pedroia, Ortiz, Beckett or Ellsbury?

    Theo is mortgaged down on Crawford, whose career numbers say he won't repeat 2011 in 2012. I see no chance Theo extends Ellsbury or signs him as a FA because he has to look at the career averages if he wants to avoid a Crawbust decision. I don't think ownership would authorize a budget for Ellsbury and Crawford. 

    But let's forget the fact that Theo's not going to extend or sign Ellsbury as a FA. Do you want Theo to:
     
    1. extend or sign Ellsbury as a FA?

    2. If so, how much and how many years do you offer?

    3. If not, do you trade Ellsbury's 2 years of control, over the winter, or hope he is the 2011 Ellsbury for 2012 and 2013 and pay the likely arbitration award amount of 12 to 14M and hope to get a draft pick or two?

    4. If you want Ellsbury retained, who is your 3rd OF'er for 2012? Who is your 4th OF'er for 2012? 

     
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Copy-paste this into a couple more threads. It's only the third time I've seen it.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Undecided
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Hard to think with a tingly leg, isn't it................
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    No surprise that the board doesn't want to touch the writing on the wall.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Casey Kotchman is a 1B with no power.  That's one of the worst combinations that you can have in MLB.  He's obviously making a career out of it, but don't expect him to ever play for a contender simply because teams need power at that position.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Kotchman was meant to show the folly of a career season.

    Crawford was meant to show the folly of a career season and a direct OF comparison.

     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Kotchman was meant to show the folly of a career season.

    Crawford was meant to show the folly of a career season and a direct OF comparison.


    The only folly here is using Kotchman and Crawford to try to prove your point. Adrian Gonzalez is also having a career year so far. Do the examples of Kotchman and Crawford prove that he will return to career averages? Or is it simply that players perform differently at different points in their career, depending on a variety of factors. Unlike Ellsbury, he actually has a career to speak of. Ellsbury might just be getting started.

    As far as Crawford's so-called career year, it was not really that far off from what he had been producing all along. His "career" year is well in line with his career averages and overall consistent numbers he has always put up. This season with a new team is the only anomaly so far in his career.

    And who says that Kotchman can't continue to perform well if not exactly at his current level, as long he has an opportunity to be a full-time starter? Kotchman has not exactly been a full-time player for all of his career and has been traded a few times. Kind of hard to perform at your best under those circumstances.

    So a few fans call Jacoby a Superstar. If we compare today's players to Ruth and Williams there are no superstars today. Fans will always use hyperbole when praising their guys. Who cares?

    I for one am excited about Ellbury's season and in the past I was doubtful about his abilities. What I am seeing this season amazes me and I hope he can keep it up. I am never certain of any player's future performance and that is one of the things that makes following sports so fun. You never know who will emerge as the next star.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    don't bother using reason david, the man is an extremist who is here only to hurt, demean, attack and self-promote while taking dumps on everyone who disagrees with him and never admitting he is wrong, even when facts show him to be OVER and OVER.

    He is well known to be a racist and not a fan of this team, only a fan of himself and using an internet forum to fill the void in his sad miserable life, despite being banned dozens of times and hated by 99% of the posters here.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Ellsbury is 27 years old for 85% of the 2011 season.

    His 2010 season was lost due to injury. 

    We expect players to improve their first 3 full seasons and hit their prime around age 27-28. Ellsbury has done just that, 08-09 and now '11, is a superstar this season, and since he is only doing the typical improvement expected of him by the sane here (Moon and I called the stats pretty much spot on) the rash of hatred and statistical lies and normal Softy BS is just pathetic and uncalled for.

    The man felt he wouldn't have an OBP over .335 after 2008, felt he wouldn't hit over 10 HR's after 2009 and felt he should be hitting 8th in the NL and would be a AAAA platoon OFer by age 30.

    He compared him to Dave Roberts.

    The man is a fool and slime, he has burned all bridges, refused to admit his wrongs, and instead pumps out the same tired drivel that simply shows his ignorance and the fact that he is NOT a fan of the Red Sox.

    I pity him.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    I wonder if posters like Softylaw ever get ignored by 100 percent of the forum?

     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Definition of Troll (from Wikipedia):

    An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

    Trolls are typically anti-social and often depressed or less often just ADHD. Think of them as the kid who acts up in class, making disruptive jokes, or other people who do bad things to get attention. They typically have problems at home or just in their general social life. The depressed or ADHD ones are often doing it to try to "feel" something. Since normal life isn't causing them to feel normal emotions they try doing things outside of the norm.

    The reason they are spread all over the internet is because a lot of anti-social and/or depressed people use computers as an escape, in fact it is a very common addiction today. Note that computer addiction is not technically considered a disorder but rather a result of existing disorders.

    Sounds like everyone's most hated Troll to me.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    It is too easy to point out how wrong he is and what a terrible person he is for him to be worth ignoring, he is the type of troll who is not a hit and run teenager but a truly warped and sick adult.

    If everyone were to ignore him he'd keep talking b/c his life is so empty this forum is all he has, despite his being hated here by the real fans or anyone intelligent really.

    When he confronts others and attacks personally it is when he gets banned anyhow, that and his soap box trash political speeches.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    In Response to Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?:
    [QUOTE]I wonder if posters like Softylaw ever get ignored by 100 percent of the forum?
    Posted by PawsoxPhil[/QUOTE]

    I for one would be more than willing to join a full blown effort by all members of this forum to either officially ignore him or simply refuse to respond to any of his hate babble. Actually that would be the best thing for all of us to do is to just never, ever respond to any of his posts. The guy would just be fuming as he sits in his Troll cave.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    It is too bad BDC can't do a better job of eliminating all his new names within the first day he comes back, it usually takes them a few weeks.

    Ah well, we'll always be subjected to the dumps he takes on the Sox, its part of being a member of this site, the man is garbage and defines what being a loser is, but its not like he'll ever go away.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Career averages are around for a reason. Crawford was a bust the moment Theo game him a contract based on a career high season. Theo should be fired for doing so. It's that incompetent. The insanity is that Red Sox fans want him to make the same mistake with Ellsbury.

    Crawford will return to career average range for next season. Ellsbury will too. Ellsbury should be traded this before next spring.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Career averages are around for a reason. Crawford was a bust the moment Theo game him a contract based on a career high season. Theo should be fired for doing so. It's that incompetent. The insanity is that Red Sox fans want him to make the same mistake with Ellsbury.

    Crawford will return to career average range for next season. Ellsbury will too. Ellsbury should be traded this before next spring
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    Please spell out the numbers that show Theo paid for a career high season and how far off they are from Crawford's career averages. I think Theo overpaid, but he based it on Crawford's full body of work and his perceived skills, not on one season.

    Will Adrian Gonzalez return to career average range next season?
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Yup, Crawford will be back to being a .285/.360 guy with Hr's in the teens, doubles in the 30's and steals in the 50's next 4 seasons.

    Ells will NOT be traded before winter of 2012-13.

    He is 27 and hitting his prime, so his 'career' norms in the next 5 years will look much more like his 2011 season and not much at all like his age 24-25 08-09 seasons when he was a .290/.345 hitter without much power.

    Softy can keep blathering his hateful idiocy at Tho, CC, Ells and half the Red Sox all he wants. He is pathetic, reviled by all here, and not a fan of this team. His ignorance is astounding.

    I pity him
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Unless things change, the Crawford signing looks like a mistake.  As for Ellsbury , this is only his third full season, so the improvement was not surprising. After this year , his career average range will be that much higher. Would not expect him to revert back to his rookie year performance.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    In Response to Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?:
    [QUOTE]don't bother using reason david, the man is an extremist who is here only to hurt, demean, attack and self-promote while taking dumps on everyone who disagrees with him and never admitting he is wrong, even when facts show him to be OVER and OVER. He is well known to be a racist and not a fan of this team, only a fan of himself and using an internet forum to fill the void in his sad miserable life, despite being banned dozens of times and hated by 99% of the posters here.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Well said ramekap, Ellsbury's season shows him to be completely wrong in his "prognostications" for Ellsbury's career.  I agree that Ellsbury will continue to produce close to what we are seeing this year and is already and will continue to be a better overall player than Crawford.  Crawford is going to perform better than what we are now seeing but his season last year is probably a slight outlier.  I don't think he is a .300 hitter(.285-.290) and 15 home runs is probably his high end(with 35+ doubles and 10+ triples).  I also think the days of 50+ steals are behind him but 35-40 steals is sufficient especially with Pedroia and Ells around to balance steals from more than 1 guy.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    In Response to Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?:
    [QUOTE]No surprise that the board doesn't want to touch the writing on the wall.
    Posted by softylaw[/QUOTE]

    It isn't that.  It is that your post is almost unreadable.
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    If you can't read this, you can't read:

    Carl Crawford Age 28  in 2010

    Crawford 2010   BA  .307  OBP .356  SLG .495  OPS .851   19HR
    Crawford 2011   BA  .245  OBP .280  SLG .379 OPS  .659   12 Projected
    Crawford career BA  .293  OBP .334  SLG .440  OPS .774   13HR

    Ellsbury Age 28 in 2011

    Ellsbury 2011    BA  .317  OBP .373  SLG .513  OPS .886   24 Projected
    Ellsbury 2010    BA  .192  OBP .241  SLG .244  OPS .485    0 HR
    Ellsbury 2009    BA  .301  OBP .355  SLG .415  OPS .770    9 HR
    Ellsbury career  BA . 298  OBP .351  SLG .430  OPS .781    12 HR

    Is Crawford the 2010 Crawford?

    Is Kotchman the 2011 Kotchman?

    Is Ellsbury the 2011 Ellsbury?
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    In Response to Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?:
    [QUOTE]If you can't read this, you can't read: Carl Crawford Age 28  in 2010 Crawford 2010   BA  .307  OBP .356  SLG .495  OPS .851   19HR Crawford 2011   BA  .245  OBP .280  SLG .379 OPS  .659   12 Projected Crawford career BA  .293  OBP .334  SLG .440  OPS .774   13HR Ellsbury Age 28 in 2011 Ellsbury 2011    BA  .317  OBP .373  SLG .513  OPS .886   24 Projected Ellsbury 2010    BA  .192  OBP .241  SLG .244  OPS .485    0 HR Ellsbury 2009    BA  .301  OBP .355  SLG .415  OPS .770    9 HR Ellsbury career  BA . 298  OBP .351  SLG .430  OPS .781    12 HR Is Crawford the 2010 Crawford? Is Kotchman the 2011 Kotchman? Is Ellsbury the 2011 Ellsbury?
    Posted by softylaw[/QUOTE]

    Look man if you want to look at your original post and think that your sentence and paragraph structure wasn't horrible go ahead.  You had 14 sentences that stood alone as paragraphs. It lacked cohesive thought.

    Regardless next year you go with Ells, Craw and Kalish/Reddick while getting an upgrade for DMAC off the bench.  It's impossible to try and figure out how much money Epstein will have in the future to pay for Ells.  We simply don't know.



     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    In Response to Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?:
    [QUOTE]don't bother using reason david, the man is an extremist who is here only to hurt, demean, attack and self-promote while taking dumps on everyone who disagrees with him and never admitting he is wrong, even when facts show him to be OVER and OVER. He is well known to be a racist and not a fan of this team, only a fan of himself and using an internet forum to fill the void in his sad miserable life, despite being banned dozens of times and hated by 99% of the posters here.
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    +1
     
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    Re: Casey Kotchman Superstar? Carl Crawford Superbust? Ellsbury Superstar?

    Regardless next year you go with Ells, Craw and Kalish/Reddick while getting an upgrade for DMAC off the bench. It's impossible to try and figure out how much money Epstein will have in the future to pay for Ells. We simply don't know.

    You go with all lefties, I don't.

    No way Epstein gets athority to make 2 mistakes, after the 142M mistake.
     
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