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    33 hits,  26 of them singles. 6 doubles, 1 HR. 4 steals no CS.   .307 BA.


    I haven't seen his defensive profile. This is about typical of his body of work.


    It may be a stretch to think he could make a move to play in the Bigs right now but it might be a time for WMB to get some swings at AAA. His Free Falling to the Mendoza line has happened before and it seems it would be important for him to find his touch again.


    Just one persons opinion--I think it's difficult to justify playing two young players (JBJ  and WMB)in your order that are batting .204---when there are other options. Sizemore or Vic can play CF and Cecch  or Holt can play 3 B and bat over .300. I have a feeling once Cecch gets his chance he becomes a fixture.

     
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    33 hits,  26 of them singles. 6 doubles, 1 HR. 4 steals no CS.   .307 BA.


     


    I haven't seen his defensive profile. This is about typical of his body of work.


     


    It may be a stretch to think he could make a move to play in the Bigs right now but it might be a time for WMB to get some swings at AAA. His Free Falling to the Mendoza line has happened before and it seems it would be important for him to find his touch again.


     


    Just one persons opinion--I think it's difficult to justify playing two young players (JBJ  and WMB)in your order that are batting .204---when there are other options. Sizemore or Vic can play CF and Cecch  or Holt can play 3 B and bat over .300. I have a feeling once Cecch gets his chance he becomes a fixture.


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    I've been the biggest Cecchini fan and prospect homer in here...and I seriously question what he could do at the MLB level right now.  I think he will be a regular player right now,  but he does not hit XBH, he hits tons of ground balls.  A few of his doubles were just grounders down the line.  Better defense and shifts will take a hit on his avg, and his OBP is bound to take a hit against MLB pitchers who aren't afraid of a guy who isn't a power threat.


    Plus, Cecchini is clearly the inferior defender compared to WMB.


    .....it's going to take a lot more, and more time before Cecchini  comes up to replace WMB. 


    Of course injury can change that course as well.

     
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    ctrs--can't agree, a hitter is a hitter. He will adjust as he did at AA and now at AAA.


    When Xander came up he was the unknown--had an excellent WS. You know it will take some time until he adjusts to what pitchers are doing to him now. If Cecch gets the call he too will have a little "unknown" about him.


    Overshift as they do against Nap, Oriz and others--fine--he hits the ball where it's pitched. All I can say to the people that don't believe--give him the same chance JBJ, Xander and WMB have been given. Give him a two week cup of coffee--if he doesn't work out bring Holt up. If he does you may, and I say may, have the next Wade Boggs at 3 B for your Boston Red Sox.

     
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    ctrs--can't agree, a hitter is a hitter. He will adjust as he did at AA and now at AAA.


     


    When Xander came up he was the unknown--had an excellent WS. You know it will take some time until he adjusts to what pitchers are doing to him now. If Cecch gets the call he too will have a little "unknown" about him.


     


    Overshift as they do against Nap, Oriz and others--fine--he hits the ball where it's pitched. All I can say to the people that don't believe--give him the same chance JBJ, Xander and WMB have been given. Give him a two week cup of coffee--if he doesn't work out bring Holt up. If he does you may, and I say may, have the next Wade Boggs at 3 B for your Boston Red Sox.


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    When it comes down to it, the Cardinals were pretty bad.  I think any American league team facing them would have won.  Basing Xander's future on his ws performance is not something I would bank on.  He had issues when he came up and still shows range problems despite an error less past week.


    Garin's arm is not as good as Middy's and the pawsox and the teams they are playing don't look as good as last year's. I think the team on the field is team for the duration, unless injuries happen.

     
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    Steven--At every level Cecch has played he hits.


    The Cards were a bad team??? Wow--they weren't as good as the Sox during that series. The fact they were in the final two in MLB says something for them.


    Xander is not the Sox SS of the future. If anyone in the system is it's Marrero. Xander , in my estimation is our future L Fielder.

     
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    Bogearts is probably a 4-5 time all star in his career at least and all he hears from us is "he's not a SS". The kid is all of 21 years old now. Give him a freaking break.

     
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    And if you think Marrerro is his replacement that is a reach. Marrerro probably ends up a SS on a second division team or a sub. He's doing better recently but his bat will never be anywhere near the one Bogaerts carry's around routinely. 


    I will grant that he is a sure handed defender.

     
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    Cechinni may well come up at year end and do well. Over time he may develop some pop. It isn't looking like that is any time soon though.


    It's kind of strange. He looks like an athlete. His body type would indicate some pop but it just isn't happening. I think every team in baseball would love to have his profile though. I bet he finishes the year strong in AAA. And he has been consistent in his hitting overall. The kid may well be a .300 hitting, .380 OBP guy in the majors but I will agree with the above post in that pitchers are going to throw to him in the majors untill he starts driving the ball more.

     
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    I'm a Sox fan not a WMB fan not a Cecch or JBJ or XB fan. My goal is ultimately that BenC. gets the best 25 players we have in the Sox system in the Sox dugout at the same time and win more games than they lose, hopefully make it to the playoffs and win more WSC.


    If I'm a whiner the tears are red, you can be assured of that.


    Idon't know Cecchini's fielding stats or how quickly he releases the ball to first. I saw him play in Portland; the defensive part of his game was ok--it wasn't dazzling. I saw Xander play there. I saw WMB play at Fenway for the Sea Dogs.  I've seen JBJ and Betts play in Portland along with Swihart and Vazquez.


    Betts and JBJ are excellent defenders. The tandem of Swihart and Vazquez will be fine players primarily defenders.


    Trade Cecch, WMB, and play Betts at 3 B and Xander in LF, Marrero at SS fine. Trade Betts and Xander and bring in a power bat--fine with me as long as we win. That's what it's ultimately all about---the best 25 players in the dugout.


    Up the Middle strength-Next Year: Vazquez, Marrero and Pedroia along with JBJ in CF--build around that.


     

     
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    I'm a Sox fan not a WMB fan not a Cecch or JBJ or XB fan. My goal is ultimately that BenC. gets the best 25 players we have in the Sox system in the Sox dugout at the same time and win more games than they lose, hopefully make it to the playoffs and win more WSC.


     


    If I'm a whiner the tears are red, you can be assured of that.


     


    Idon't know Cecchini's fielding stats or how quickly he releases the ball to first. I saw him play in Portland; the defensive part of his game was ok--it wasn't dazzling. I saw Xander play there. I saw WMB play at Fenway for the Sea Dogs.  I've seen JBJ and Betts play in Portland along with Swihart and Vazquez.


     


    Betts and JBJ are excellent defenders. The tandem of Swihart and Vazquez will be fine players primarily defenders.


     


    Trade Cecch, WMB, and play Betts at 3 B and Xander in LF, Marrero at SS fine. Trade Betts and Xander and bring in a power bat--fine with me as long as we win. That's what it's ultimately all about---the best 25 players in the dugout.


     


    Up the Middle strength-Next Year: Vazquez, Marrero and Pedroia along with JBJ in CF--build around that.


     


     


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    The problem is that you cant predict what these kids are going to do. Marrero could bust once he gets to fenway. You cant count on them until you can count on them, if thats makes any sense. Meaning, you have to let them play, take their bumps, and develop. 1.5 months of MLB time isnt going to do that.

     
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    33 hits,  26 of them singles. 6 doubles, 1 HR. 4 steals no CS.   .307 BA.


     


     


     


    I haven't seen his defensive profile. This is about typical of his body of work.


     


     


     


    It may be a stretch to think he could make a move to play in the Bigs right now but it might be a time for WMB to get some swings at AAA. His Free Falling to the Mendoza line has happened before and it seems it would be important for him to find his touch again.


     


     


     


    Just one persons opinion--I think it's difficult to justify playing two young players (JBJ  and WMB)in your order that are batting .204---when there are other options. Sizemore or Vic can play CF and Cecch  or Holt can play 3 B and bat over .300. I have a feeling once Cecch gets his chance he becomes a fixture.


     


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    I've been the biggest Cecchini fan and prospect homer in here...and I seriously question what he could do at the MLB level right now.  I think he will be a regular player right now,  but he does not hit XBH, he hits tons of ground balls.  A few of his doubles were just grounders down the line.  Better defense and shifts will take a hit on his avg, and his OBP is bound to take a hit against MLB pitchers who aren't afraid of a guy who isn't a power threat.


     


    Plus, Cecchini is clearly the inferior defender compared to WMB.


     


    .....it's going to take a lot more, and more time before Cecchini  comes up to replace WMB. 


     


    Of course injury can change that course as well.


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    I do want to give him that chance, I just don't want him rushed.  JBJ and WMB hit at every level too, so what? Cecchinis time will come.  But that doesn't mean he wont struggle for a little bit just like JBJ, WMB, and Bogaerts have in their own ways.


    and seeing how Cecchini is not a good defender at all, and would be a downgrade from WMB, it makes little sense to me now to make that switch.


    Maybe a few months from now it may be a different story.


    Also I say Boagerts goes to 3B, BEFORE he goes to LF, which is his second likely destination after SS.

     
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    Cecchini might come up and do well. He might come up and do nothing EVER.


    He will probably come up  and struggle a little bit, or have a hot week then struggle for months to make the adjustments at the MLB level.  While he will eventually round out to a MLB regular, on his way there multiple threads will be started calling him a bust, and calling for him to be shipped back to Pawtucket etc etc etc.


    That does seem to be the reoccurring theme.

     
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    So six weeks from now, people can give up on Cecchini?

     
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    Just one persons opinion--I think it's difficult to justify playing two young players (JBJ and WMB)in your order that are batting .204---when there are other options. Sizemore or Vic can play CF and Cecch or Holt can play 3 B and bat over .300. I have a feeling once Cecch gets his chance he becomes a fixture.


    I'm not seeing it.


    Sizemore and JBJ have about identical OPS, and JBJ is clearly a better fielder.  I can't see starting Sizemore in CF.  At .657, we first have to justify him even playing LF.


    IRT Cecchini, you're advocating starting a AAA player with a .793 OPS and a weak glove, over a ML player with a career .752 and a mediocre glove.


     

     
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    Soft hands. Needs improvement with reads off of bat. Can be stiff and slow with reactions. Plus arm. Tools to become an average defender at the hot corner.

     
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    Soft hands. Needs improvement with reads off of bat. Can be stiff and slow with reactions. Plus arm. Tools to become an average defender at the hot corner.


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    Good source.  I was there the night Workman pitched and sat close to the pawsox dugout.  Pretty much what I thought.  The pregame interview was with Garin and he seems like a great kid.  The question of his first job was funny.  He hesitated for a few seconds and replied, professional baseball player. The woman interviewing replied nice life.


    He did hit a shot up the middle with power that was quite impressive. The ball was a line drive that hit the grass after the infield but did not slow down until it hit the wall.

     

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