CHERINGTON hints at the exit of one JONNY LESTER!

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    CHERINGTON hints at the exit of one JONNY LESTER!

    sox should hold the line to no mo than 5 years guaranteed. vesting for 6th is as far as u go.. but from reading b/ lines from BC on D and c the other day, lest is likely g-o-n-e. kept saying that there is a line beyond which sox wont cross. got a feelin, Lest's folks are defining "discount" very diffferently from the sox. they can clearly get up to 8 years in the open market and up to 25m from some jabro outfit. talking 8 and 25m if they really want it...

     
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    sox should hold the line to no mo than 5 years guaranteed. vesting for 6th is as far as u go.. but from reading b/ lines from BC on D and c the other day, lest is likely g-o-n-e. kept saying that there is a line beyond which sox wont cross. got a feelin, Lest's folks are defining "discount" very diffferently from the sox. they can clearly get up to 8 years in the open market and up to 25m from some jabro outfit. talking 8 and 25m if they really want it...

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    Lester has stated he'd like to stay, Cherington has stated he like to keep em...The Sox can afford to pay market value. Lester doesn't have to take less than he's worth, if he signs great, if he leaves? I'll tip my cap to one of the best that's ever wore a Sox uniform. Move on and root for the guy that takes his spot. In the meantime I'll leave the heavy lighting to Cherington to figure out who wears the uniform or not. 

     
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    Time will tell. Lester is a good pitcher and could probably get 8 and 25 from the Mariner's especially after they offered more than the Yanks were willing to go with Cano.

    That would be the makings of a young and tough rotation in Seattle. We can certainly appreciate his willingness to go West and take a valued contract. We do have many young arms to choose from that are working their way through the system. Time will tell--I think he goes to FA and tests the waters.

    If he goes and they don't resign Peavy, Gomes, Lackey, Ross and AJ in addition to Size they will have a number of holes to fill. They will also have some bucks to use to fill the holes. They could go all in for an anchor starter in Scherzer--lots of choices.

     
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    COGGLINS LAW .........  "The YOUTH will inherit the EARTH"  !!!

     
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    Please tell me how its clearly obvious that he could get an 8 yr deal at age 31, which is how old he will be when that deal would start?

    im guessing there would be a lot of 4-6 year deals though.

    the Sox and Lester will get a deal done.

     
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    The truth is, it is baseball "fool hardy" to sign pitchers & in most cases position players too to a long term big $$$$ conatract when the player is on the NORTH side of 30 .....  It is a business & that is why teams develop the YOUTES !!!

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    COGGLINS LAW .........  "The YOUTH will inherit the EARTH"  !!!

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    If that means you get banned agin....then I'm all for Cogglins law.....

     
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    sox should hold the line to no mo than 5 years guaranteed. vesting for 6th is as far as u go.. but from reading b/ lines from BC on D and c the other day, lest is likely g-o-n-e. kept saying that there is a line beyond which sox wont cross. got a feelin, Lest's folks are defining "discount" very diffferently from the sox. they can clearly get up to 8 years in the open market and up to 25m from some jabro outfit. talking 8 and 25m if they really want it...

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    Losing Lester would certainly be a loss but but if someone offers Jon a ridiculous amout of years and money like Ells and he bolts, so be it.  I won't blame Jon for it but at the same time won't be rooting for him anymore.  This is what baseball has become thanks to the Yankees with the only difference presently being less championships because NY isn't the only FO willing to spend anymore. 

    The Sox present management allowed Theo to throw money away one time and quickly learned a valuable lesson.  As a result we are now in great position financially to go out and get that big player if needed and continue to build a strong farm.  Three championships in 10 years is great to see and there is no reason to believe it can't continue through the next decade if we keep this kind of mindset.

     

     

     
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    Please tell me how its clearly obvious that he could get an 8 yr deal at age 31, which is how old he will be when that deal would start?

    im guessing there would be a lot of 4-6 year deals though.

    the Sox and Lester will get a deal done.

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    Concur. Just not during the season. It will happen next offseason, which will start at the end of October.

     
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       We like to hear it , but I don't think it was a smart move for Lester to say he was willing to give a " home town discount ."  Not a good way to start negotiations. Maybe the team got the idea that they could lowball him. Jon may be realizing that now. I would very much like to keep Lester on the Sox.   But I think any player is foolish not to look for the best deal. Playing where you are comfortable is certainly part of that. But in the end, careers are relatively short and the player should always try to maximize his earnings. It is not being greedy. The children and grandchildren will benefit. Management is always looking to maximize profits. The player should do the same. That is how business works.

     
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    Time will tell. Lester is a good pitcher and could probably get 8 and 25 from the Mariner's especially after they offered more than the Yanks were willing to go with Cano.

    Jon Lester has been valued at $51.3 million -- roughly $17.1 million annually -- over the past three seasons, according to the WAR value conversation at FanGraphs:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4930&position=P#value

    In contrast, Robinson Cano had been valued at $88.7 million over the past three seasons -- roughly $29.6 million annually -- before landing a 10-year, $240 million contract with Seattle.

    No way does Lester land a $25 million-a-year contract for eight seasons that start after the lefthander's 31st birthday.

    Seattle might target Lester if the Mariners plan to contend in 2015, but he would need to take a hometown discount to fit within Seattle's budget. Lester would be nothing more than another complementary piece to 28-year-old ace Felix Hernandez, a superior starter who is in the second season of a seven-year, $175 million contract.

     
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    I sure hope Cherrybomb is reading these threads.

    He obviously needs advice from a bunch of jokers on who to sign, how much, and how many years.

    I mean he doesn't know how to run a team...look at 2013...what a disaster!!!

     
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    Just reported Lester was offered 80M deal

     
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    based on the report that just game out about what the sox offered lester, they are low balling him hard. This team cannot afford to let lester walk. Buchholz is inconsistent and injury prone, lackey is looking good but is 35, peavy is 32 or 33, doubront is far from a sure thing, and we simply cannot let our best pitcher walk and expect prospects to fill in. How cheap is the sox FO? Are we going to run this team like we are the rays or astros or marlins? Just let all our good players walk and fill the holes with older cheap players or prospects? Lets not have another ellsbury situation on our hands here. We have money coming off the books as, so i'm sure we can afford to sign lester to a fair deal, not the lowball garbage we have offered him. 

     
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    Time will tell--check out who's available as FA in 2015--some interesting names:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/2015-mlb-free-agents.html

    Lester, Yovani Gallarado, Brett Anderson, Johnny Cueto, Hasashi Iwakuma, Justin Masterson, Max Scherzer, James Sheilds, Edinson Volquez, Ervin Santana to name just 10.

    FA is a great time for a pro baseball player.

     
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    Lester, Yovani Gallarado, Brett Anderson, Johnny Cueto, Hasashi Iwakuma, Justin Masterson, Max Scherzer, James Sheilds, Edinson Volquez, Ervin Santana to name just 10.

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    Gallardo-Iwakuma-Cueto all have team options. they will not be available.

     

    There is a huge difference between 17.5 for 4 years and 20 for 4 years. If I was Lester I would take the 20, but pass on the 17.5. So we don't know much until we find out precisely what the offer was.

    I said I would offer 4-74. Because we are into the season and Lester has pitched well, I would go 4-76 or 5-90 now. If we offered 4-76 or 4-80, I am cool with that and if Lester wants to test the market thats fine. We will live. I think I might prefer Scherzer for 6-150 next off season anyway.

     
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    Just reported Lester was offered 80M deal

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    like how da commy warns the jabro brigade way ahead of time to total ridicule only to b usually CONFIRMED BY TIME AND FACTS. YEP, METHINKS bc KNEW a lil something before going on d and c and confirming things by his tone. i'm sure lester's agent laughing sarcastically on the fone and repeating 3X "u can not b serious at his 4 years 70m guaranteed (the other 10m was incentive based)!"...

    was a clear sign to BC that he wasnt around the neighborhood. minimal offer would b $100m GUARANTEED and up to five years.no way no how is he signing anywhere for less than that. if sox keep waiting around, could see a seattle starting with around $25m and 5 years. sox will have to step up to 5 years guaranteed as a minimum. ur home discount is 5/100m. the peak ceiling is 8/200m, floor is 5/100m (only for sox).

     
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    4/75 is an insult but if Lester is thinking his bottom # is 5/125 w/ an option year then I'd say forget it....Ben should go over $100 Mil though otherwise he really doesn't care about keeping him...

     
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    4/75 is an insult but if Lester is thinking his bottom # is 5/125 w/ an option year then I'd say forget it....Ben should go over $100 Mil though otherwise he really doesn't care about keeping him...

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    I thought you didn't think much of Lester. What changed?

     
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    Please tell me how its clearly obvious that he could get an 8 yr deal at age 31, which is how old he will be when that deal would start?

    im guessing there would be a lot of 4-6 year deals though.

    the Sox and Lester will get a deal done.

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    Concur. Just not during the season. It will happen next offseason, which will start at the end of October.

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    .....or at the beginning of October.......

     
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    4/75 is an insult but if Lester is thinking his bottom # is 5/125 w/ an option year then I'd say forget it....Ben should go over $100 Mil though otherwise he really doesn't care about keeping him...

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    I thought you didn't think much of Lester. What changed?

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    I watched him grow up last year and he was outstanding the playoffs....I even posted (after the WS) that Lester is an Ace

     

    I still have my concerns but he is very valueable so I would like to keep him now (yes I changed my mind but he changed, not me) but I would be careful of years and amount.

     
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    4/75 is an insult but if Lester is thinking his bottom # is 5/125 w/ an option year then I'd say forget it....Ben should go over $100 Mil though otherwise he really doesn't care about keeping him...

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    ur beginning to feel me.. its about the MARKET! ur competing against the market not ur own internals or systems.. the market for lester is well over 100m and 5 years as a minimum. no way no how is he taking no fifth year as a vest or option. has to b guaranteed. negotiations can b around a 6th year as a vest but again ONLY for the sox. as a free agent, he will get 6 without begging (opening offer) with 7th as a vest or option. BC is at risk of terminally polluting the waters and insulting Jon "the hitting" Mo-lester (or just "more lester")o the point where he ceases all communication til after the season a la ells.. meaning he's a goner.

    now that we know how the sausage gets made in fenway, r we seriously blaming damon or ells for leaving? damon just wanted 3 guaranteed years for low money, sox offered 2 and stalled.. yanks came in with FOUR off the jump with a bump while showing him love and respect.. gee, u wouldnt take it? is there an agent alive who would say "no"? same with ells. these guys know the market usually. when the home team is out to lunch on ur market ceiling, y bother? the mo-lester will soon grasp its a bizness and start publicly talking that way. its one thing to leave 40m on table and quite another 100-$120m.

    i like les and wil love to c Mo-Lester around, but he would b beyond dumb to even seriously consider the years or guarantees the sox insultingly throwing out there (based o the market, not my personal feelings of fairness or wealth)... i do marketing outsourcing contract work. i know my market. if an existing client lowballs me and tries to use my sentments against me say with a tax client.. y on earth am i saying no to someone else who gives me some love with a bump.

    as a real example, few years ago, did some brilliant work with a Jackson Hewitt tax guy with 2 stores who was losing $. went from 2 to 4 stores, then he took me for granted. a Block prospect came in while JH guy was being a jabro and blew me away. well, lets just say, Hewitt guy is now down to one store while my Block guy is now booming in the area. u snooze u lose, u insult, u really lose!

     

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