Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future

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    In Response to Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future:
    OK, so you are the GM.  You've got an underperforming guy with an exorbitant contract that is going to be very very difficult to move.  Do you: A.  Tell the media that his time in Boston is done and he is not part of the future, thereby weakening any semblance of bargaining leverage you might have, and also making the situation in 2013 completely untenable if you cannot move him. B.  Talk about him as a foundational piece, thereby:  strengthening your bluff, and also creating a tenable environment in the case that you are stuck with the guy. Which do you choose?
    Posted by SpacemanEephus
    Ya tell the FAT-CAT-BARRRRR$TAD THAT IS going on waivers and is GIG is up......  Let him cut his own deal....  If he goes home, SO_BE_IT   !!!!
     
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    Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future

     Just Wait Till Next Season RSN, The New Me.....
    BECKETT
     
     
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    Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future

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    In Response to Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future : Ya tell the FAT-CAT-BARRRRR$TAD THAT IS going on waivers and is GIG is up......  Let him cut his own deal....  If he goes home, SO_BE_IT   !!!!
    Posted by Bill-806


    You are quite the businessman Bill.
     
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    In Response to Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future : That's a well presented question.  However, I think there may be a credibility problem with what Cherington said.  You see through it right away, and so will most fans and obviously other GM's.  The only way Beckett can actually rehabilitate his value, IMO, is on the field.  
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut


    You sure it’s thinly veiled and easy to see through?

    Of the first 17 replies, all of them took it seriously. All but one questioned the sanity of the GM in one way or another for merely making a fairly token media-driven statement. That this thread was ever posted shows how well cached the inner meaning is to some people.

    Most GMs will probably find it a to be what it is – a statement that had to be made, and one they all would have made in the same circumstances. It means nothing…

     
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    In Response to Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future:
    In Response to Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future : You sure it’s thinly veiled and easy to see through? Of the first 17 replies, all of them took it seriously. All but one questioned the sanity of the GM in one way or another for merely making a fairly token media-driven statement. That this thread was ever posted shows how well cached the inner meaning is to some people. Most GMs will probably find it a to be what it is – a statement that had to be made, and one they all would have made in the same circumstances. It means nothing…
    Posted by notin

    Once agiain, notin is the voice of reason in a sea of ... ooops...I better not go there.

     
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    In Response to Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future:
    OK, so you are the GM.  You've got an underperforming guy with an exorbitant contract that is going to be very very difficult to move.  Do you: A.  Tell the media that his time in Boston is done and he is not part of the future, thereby weakening any semblance of bargaining leverage you might have, and also making the situation in 2013 completely untenable if you cannot move him. B.  Talk about him as a foundational piece, thereby:  strengthening your bluff, and also creating a tenable environment in the case that you are stuck with the guy. Which do you choose?
    Posted by SpacemanEephus


    Very perceptive!
     
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    Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future

    Sox pitching in 2012:
    ERA:  4.32 
              4.20 in 2011-not adjusted for park (no playoffs)
              4.20 in 2010-not adjusted for park (no playoffs)
              3.87 in 2007-not adjusted for park & WS ring.

    Park adjustments made: (100 is avg, under 100 is better)
    ERA+:  100  6th in AL  (98 in 2011, 97 in 2010, 93 in 2009)
                   83  1st in AL in 2007

    Our staff park-adjusted ERA has got worse for 3 straight years.
     
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    Sidenote:

    Best Sox starters in ERA+ (adjusted ERA) from 2009-2012:

    Buch   78
    Lest    84
    Beck   96
    Cook 107
    Doub 108
    Dice   116
    Wake 117
    Penn  120
    Lack   122
    Bard   123
    Miller  130

    How about, "what have you done for me lately?" (2011-2012)

    Beck  89
    Buch  92
    Lest   97

     
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    I never said hitting wasn't important, but you have all but said pitching is with your plans to dump Beckett and sign $1M replacement level starters, and all your bunk on your "do the math" thread. Why not "do the math" and tell us how many times our staff has let the opps score early, and what our record is in those games- game log by game log? Wouldn't that be a balanced approach to a scientific study of assigning blame?

    Why it the the AL wins so many more low scoring games than we do? Home or away, when the score is low, we let up one run more than we score, and we haven't had more low scoring games than the average AL team or AL East team.

    NO starter has consistently done what it takes to get the "W" this year when we needed them to pitch well, with the possible exception of Buch (we are 4-4 in games we score 1-3 runs with Buch).

    2007 (same park factor)

    Record in games we score 1-3 runs: 13-35

    2012 record in these same games: 9-40

    How abour 1-4 runs scored?
    2007: 25-47
    2012: 14-47

    Same amount of losses with 1-4 runs scored, but lo and behold! 11 more wins in '07!
     
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    Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future

    man, is it me or is the sox turning into the nyj?

    i believe i can stand losing games. i can't stand bad management, management statements, primadonnas and the drama they bring.
     
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    Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future



    Go to some of the newspapers in towns you think might be landing places for Beckett, Lackey, Lester  or CC, even Ells and do what Yankee trolls do here. Propose a trade with for a "bad contract' guy and see the replies.

    Or just go to MLBTR.com Monday and see what's being proposed and the reactions of fans of the Angels for thoughts of Lackey or Beckett for Vernon Wells even up.

    I don't enjoy reading what BenC said but what do we expect him to say with two weeks to go before Waiver Trades expire for playoff inclusion. Then other GM's want to see the real truth and go to forums like this or to Sox teammates and get their opinions.


     
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    Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future

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    In Response to Re: Cherington: Josh Beckett is a "foundational piece" for the future : You are quite the businessman Bill.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus
    I will take that as a compliment...... One thing for sure, ya got to get BECKETT$ off the mound & out of the clubhouse sooooooner, rather than later !!!!
     
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